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Ganfei2
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Heen
Korea (South)2178 Posts
That's one thing that bothered me when I started playing HoN. Dumbing down everyone's attack animation takes away depth to play each hero and the game as a whole too. | ||
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maahes`ra
United States255 Posts
On July 18 2011 14:54 Heen wrote: Is there actually a single hero in HoN with bad attack animation? That's one thing that bothered me when I started playing HoN. Dumbing down everyone's attack animation takes away depth to play each hero and the game as a whole too. As a newbie I've had the hardest time getting used to Soul Reaper's. Mofucka autoattacks like he's been concussed with a multitude of bricks. | ||
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
On July 18 2011 14:54 Heen wrote: Is there actually a single hero in HoN with bad attack animation? That's one thing that bothered me when I started playing HoN. Dumbing down everyone's attack animation takes away depth to play each hero and the game as a whole too. I'll always complain flint has the worst auto attack early game not because of his attack animation, which is pretty fucking awesome, but his base damage. He literally does like 40 dmg when everyone else is doing like 50+ SR's auto attack is slow as hell but its still way better than 99% of dota hero animations. | ||
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wonderwall
New Zealand695 Posts
Mofucka autoattacks like he's been concussed with a multitude of bricks. I always thought he rips off one of his own legs and throws it at someone. | ||
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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
On July 18 2011 14:54 Heen wrote: Is there actually a single hero in HoN with bad attack animation? That's one thing that bothered me when I started playing HoN. Dumbing down everyone's attack animation takes away depth to play each hero and the game as a whole too. hag it doesn't take the depth away because even though they are all good in relation to dota, they are very different in relation to each other. valk has a decent animation, but in a lane vs an aluna you are drawing dead a lot of the time. also sr is a hero that would be viable in high level competitive play, if his animation were better, but since it isn't he will get pushed around more than he should be. | ||
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NotJack
United States737 Posts
For instance in dota witch doctor's animation was ungodly slow, but in hon it's only slightly slower. As the game gets faster the differences between the animations have to decrease, and it is in no way dumbed down. Also lh'ing with flint requires you to attack a lot later then pretty much every other character, both because of the low dmg and instant travel time. If dont properly he's a much better lh'er than most heroes. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 18 2011 13:21 Ganfei2 wrote: I dont get why JeeJee was banned, wasn't he copy pasting someone's insult or joking? My reply to him was something that a kid on TL said to me like 4 years ago and I ended up saving it this long, lol. That's what I was thinking, but he didn't make it clear. | ||
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Corr
Denmark796 Posts
v6.72d changelog Spiritbreaker - Strength growth decreased from 2.8 to 2.4 - Movement speed decreased from 295 to 290 - Charge of Darkness stun duration decreased from 1.4/1.8/2.2/2.6 to 1.2/1.6/2.0/2.4 seconds - Nether Strike now hits a Greater Bash based on it's current level and not auto-lvl4 Lycanthrope - Feral Impulse AoE reduced from global to 900 - Shapeshift base attack rate changed to 1.5 (a nerf) - Wolves HP reduced from 400/475/550/625 to 400/450/500/550 why thank you | ||
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wonderwall
New Zealand695 Posts
We had a chipper go mid and feed 4 kills to their pyro mid in 8 minutes. Both sidelanes got ganked and Chipper sat in the well until 15 saying he didn't want to lower his stats. Then had a pharaoh who spammed remake after picking stages, gave up bloodlust then said "lagging" and dc'd. He was instantly terminated and it looks like he just joined another game. We had no initiation and didn't have a mid anymore so cc'd at 15. I guess you have to expect massive retardation if you solo queue at 1500-1600 level. | ||
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
On July 18 2011 13:21 Ganfei2 wrote: I dont get why JeeJee was banned, wasn't he copy pasting someone's insult or joking? My reply to him was something that a kid on TL said to me like 4 years ago and I ended up saving it this long, lol. It was a hateful post directed at poor me who did nothing but ask a few questions and try to contribute to this thread. I think a temp ban would do him some good, let him think about what he did I remember, a couple of years ago on TeamLiquid, I too was temp banned for a couple of days. I'm pretty sure it was for 2 days. It came as a shock to me - temp bans are only for bad posters! And I was certainly not a bad poster! But during the two days I was banned, I got to think about what I did. I was just a young teen then, just 15 or 16. I was the one-liner guy that always interrupted a thread, with no thought or sense in any of my words. I would post and never look back again. I posted simply because I COULD post. But my posts weren't thought out and they never had any merit for discussion in them. Just like JeeJee, sometimes I would post hateful comments at someone, but I was never banned for them because I was able to cleverly hide my caustic language behind a heavily veiled wall of sarcasm and hyperbole. I also never directly any of my posts specifically at one user, but everyone would know who I was talking about. I continued posting like this, for weeks, months, until that one day where I got temp banned by Hot_Bid. I remember, the anger, the sadness I felt when I opened the PM. "You have been temp banned for two days". It hurt my pride and ego to read that PM. For two days, I was restricted to being a shameful lurker, reading discussions but never allowed to participate in them. I would read some of the other posts, by users not very different from me. They were bad, one-liners that carried no thought whatsoever. I slowly realized, what kind of a person I was. My posts were not contributing to TeamLiquid! In fact, the website would have been better off without me and my one-liner posts! I began to brush up on my grammar and spelling, in preparation for the day that I would be unbanned from TeamLiquid. And at last, the day had finally arrived. I was unbanned from TeamLiquid. I opened a thread, itching to use my reclaimed right to post again. I clicked a blog- some random blog. "Cool story bro" I typed into the white box and as I was about to click the post button, I remembered "No! This is exactly the kind of post that got you into trouble in the first place! Why post at all, if it's neither helpful nor encouraging?" My pointed backed away from the post button and instead hovered over the 5 star. I sat down a composed a lengthy post, one that would spark discussion and intelligent debate. I previewed, and check my post over and over, to make sure that everything was right, and when it finally was, I posted it. Now, speaking from personal experience, I would like to argue that temporary bans are beneficial to the individual poster. It gives them time to realize what they have done wrong, and gives them a second chance. I would guess that a majority of the time temp banned users come back with an entirely different attitude. They know they did wrong, and they are going to fix it. Now that I think about it, I got temp banned from some dumbass fucking beta key roulette Hot_Bid was hosting where 1/20 on a page got an sc2 beta key and the rest 19/20 were temp banned for two days. Fuck that was the dumbest roulette I've ever seen. And I'm pretty sure JeeJee was just joking | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
On July 18 2011 16:21 GhostKorean wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2011 13:21 Ganfei2 wrote: I dont get why JeeJee was banned, wasn't he copy pasting someone's insult or joking? My reply to him was something that a kid on TL said to me like 4 years ago and I ended up saving it this long, lol. It was a hateful post directed at poor me who did nothing but ask a few questions and try to contribute to this thread. I think a temp ban would do him some good, let him think about what he did I remember, a couple of years ago on TeamLiquid, I too was temp banned for a couple of days. I'm pretty sure it was for 2 days. It came as a shock to me - temp bans are only for bad posters! And I was certainly not a bad poster! But during the two days I was banned, I got to think about what I did. I was just a young teen then, just 15 or 16. I was the one-liner guy that always interrupted a thread, with no thought or sense in any of my words. I would post and never look back again. I posted simply because I COULD post. But my posts weren't thought out and they never had any merit for discussion in them. Just like JeeJee, sometimes I would post hateful comments at someone, but I was never banned for them because I was able to cleverly hide my caustic language behind a heavily veiled wall of sarcasm and hyperbole. I also never directly any of my posts specifically at one user, but everyone would know who I was talking about. I continued posting like this, for weeks, months, until that one day where I got temp banned by Hot_Bid. I remember, the anger, the sadness I felt when I opened the PM. "You have been temp banned for two days". It hurt my pride and ego to read that PM. For two days, I was restricted to being a shameful lurker, reading discussions but never allowed to participate in them. I would read some of the other posts, by users not very different from me. They were bad, one-liners that carried no thought whatsoever. I slowly realized, what kind of a person I was. My posts were not contributing to TeamLiquid! In fact, the website would have been better off without me and my one-liner posts! I began to brush up on my grammar and spelling, in preparation for the day that I would be unbanned from TeamLiquid. And at last, the day had finally arrived. I was unbanned from TeamLiquid. I opened a thread, itching to use my reclaimed right to post again. I clicked a blog- some random blog. "Cool story bro" I typed into the white box and as I was about to click the post button, I remembered "No! This is exactly the kind of post that got you into trouble in the first place! Why post at all, if it's neither helpful nor encouraging?" My pointed backed away from the post button and instead hovered over the 5 star. I sat down a composed a lengthy post, one that would spark discussion and intelligent debate. I previewed, and check my post over and over, to make sure that everything was right, and when it finally was, I posted it. Now, speaking from personal experience, I would like to argue that temporary bans are beneficial to the individual poster. It gives them time to realize what they have done wrong, and gives them a second chance. I would guess that a majority of the time temp banned users come back with an entirely different attitude. They know they did wrong, and they are going to fix it. Now that I think about it, I got temp banned from some dumbass fucking beta key roulette Hot_Bid was hosting where 1/20 on a page got an sc2 beta key and the rest 19/20 were temp banned for two days. Fuck that was the dumbest roulette I've ever seen. And I'm pretty sure JeeJee was just joking Wow....dang.....posts like this are so rare in this thread. This almost rivals the Travitus apology letter post! | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On July 18 2011 14:54 Heen wrote: Is there actually a single hero in HoN with bad attack animation? That's one thing that bothered me when I started playing HoN. Dumbing down everyone's attack animation takes away depth to play each hero and the game as a whole too. I agree with this. They mostly decreased the attack point and kept long backswings to encourage animation canceling, which is a little silly. There are some where it's super obvious, like how glacius has 10000% better autoattack than CM and much better damage. The closest is probably torturer or hag. Here's the detailed list : http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/archive/index.php/t-29651.html Old, but not that old. Only missing DR and one or two others. Bubbles seems to have the longest attack if you don't cancel at 1.3 seconds with a 0.8 second backswing. Rampage (0.6 damage point) Soul Reaper (0.53, and Hag (0.56) ) seem to be the three slowest. Fastest attackers are Flint(0.17), Slither (0.25), polly (0.3), valk (0.3), magebane (0.3), succubus(0.3), CD (0.3), Chipper (0.35), hb(0.35) Projectile speed is where things vary a lot, CD is 2000 and Flint is 3000 while Bubbles/Sr/polly/nymph/mq/defiler/valk/succubus/pyro/tort/hb are 900, which makes them have really poor last hitting compared to the first two (if damage isn't greatly different). This is why SR/tort feel so shitty, their projectiles are over twice as slow as heroes who launch them about 1.5x as fast anyways. Hag is something of a special case - 1500 projectile speed despite having an awful animation. CD, Chipper, and Flint to a lesser extent have by far the best lasthitting in the game though. Aluna isn't actually as good as I thought she was - 0.4/0.4 , 1050 speed. I'm not really looking that close at melee heroes. | ||
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xZiGGY
United Kingdom801 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On July 18 2011 16:21 GhostKorean wrote: It was a hateful post directed at poor me who did nothing but ask a few questions and try to contribute to this thread. I think a temp ban would do him some good, let him think about what he did I remember, a couple of years ago on TeamLiquid, I too was temp banned for a couple of days. I'm pretty sure it was for 2 days. It came as a shock to me - temp bans are only for bad posters! And I was certainly not a bad poster! But during the two days I was banned, I got to think about what I did. I was just a young teen then, just 15 or 16. I was the one-liner guy that always interrupted a thread, with no thought or sense in any of my words. I would post and never look back again. I posted simply because I COULD post. But my posts weren't thought out and they never had any merit for discussion in them. Just like JeeJee, sometimes I would post hateful comments at someone, but I was never banned for them because I was able to cleverly hide my caustic language behind a heavily veiled wall of sarcasm and hyperbole. I also never directly any of my posts specifically at one user, but everyone would know who I was talking about. I continued posting like this, for weeks, months, until that one day where I got temp banned by Hot_Bid. I remember, the anger, the sadness I felt when I opened the PM. "You have been temp banned for two days". It hurt my pride and ego to read that PM. For two days, I was restricted to being a shameful lurker, reading discussions but never allowed to participate in them. I would read some of the other posts, by users not very different from me. They were bad, one-liners that carried no thought whatsoever. I slowly realized, what kind of a person I was. My posts were not contributing to TeamLiquid! In fact, the website would have been better off without me and my one-liner posts! I began to brush up on my grammar and spelling, in preparation for the day that I would be unbanned from TeamLiquid. And at last, the day had finally arrived. I was unbanned from TeamLiquid. I opened a thread, itching to use my reclaimed right to post again. I clicked a blog- some random blog. "Cool story bro" I typed into the white box and as I was about to click the post button, I remembered "No! This is exactly the kind of post that got you into trouble in the first place! Why post at all, if it's neither helpful nor encouraging?" My pointed backed away from the post button and instead hovered over the 5 star. I sat down a composed a lengthy post, one that would spark discussion and intelligent debate. I previewed, and check my post over and over, to make sure that everything was right, and when it finally was, I posted it. Now, speaking from personal experience, I would like to argue that temporary bans are beneficial to the individual poster. It gives them time to realize what they have done wrong, and gives them a second chance. I would guess that a majority of the time temp banned users come back with an entirely different attitude. They know they did wrong, and they are going to fix it. Now that I think about it, I got temp banned from some dumbass fucking beta key roulette Hot_Bid was hosting where 1/20 on a page got an sc2 beta key and the rest 19/20 were temp banned for two days. Fuck that was the dumbest roulette I've ever seen. And I'm pretty sure JeeJee was just joking LOL I can't believe I read all of that. Also you should've put your entire post in one large block to increase readability, I don't know why you thought separating it into three separate sections was a good idea. | ||
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
On July 18 2011 16:00 wonderwall wrote: Just played two games which resulted in 15 minute cc's. We had a chipper go mid and feed 4 kills to their pyro mid in 8 minutes. Both sidelanes got ganked and Chipper sat in the well until 15 saying he didn't want to lower his stats. Then had a pharaoh who spammed remake after picking stages, gave up bloodlust then said "lagging" and dc'd. He was instantly terminated and it looks like he just joined another game. We had no initiation and didn't have a mid anymore so cc'd at 15. I guess you have to expect massive retardation if you solo queue at 1500-1600 level. It doesnt get better when you get higher. I was playing yesterday and I had games where people put balphagore as trilane support, we had a nymph who refused to ward before plated greaves, astrolabe and energizer, we had a deadwood, who was brown, go mid when I, who was pink, had already called it and picked soulstealer, and that's not even half of the weird stuff that was going on in yesterdays games. Dropped from 1750 to 1700, I'm on my way back up but still, holy shit | ||
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xZiGGY
United Kingdom801 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On July 18 2011 14:54 Heen wrote: Is there actually a single hero in HoN with bad attack animation? That's one thing that bothered me when I started playing HoN. Dumbing down everyone's attack animation takes away depth to play each hero and the game as a whole too. this. there are simply too many 'flaws' in hon. playing hon for awhile now and i quite enjoy it but never one day i stop to hope that i can play dota2 asap. i just miss the dota heroes who have strong 'personalities'. like zeus attack animation is a biatch but in hon he is SO much easier to last hit. the hp bar in hon is actually causing trouble for me to last hit lol | ||
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
On July 18 2011 21:23 xZiGGY wrote: 1700 isnt high ;/ And I never said it was? It's higher than 1500-1600, which is all I said | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On July 18 2011 15:42 NotJack wrote: The game has a faster pace than dota, which is why it seems like everyone's attack animations are good. For instance in dota witch doctor's animation was ungodly slow, but in hon it's only slightly slower. As the game gets faster the differences between the animations have to decrease, and it is in no way dumbed down. Also lh'ing with flint requires you to attack a lot later then pretty much every other character, both because of the low dmg and instant travel time. If dont properly he's a much better lh'er than most heroes. witch doctor is one of the last heroes whose animation you should complain about, you are retarded if you do so On July 18 2011 15:59 Corr wrote: + Show Spoiler + v6.72d changelog Spiritbreaker - Strength growth decreased from 2.8 to 2.4 - Movement speed decreased from 295 to 290 - Charge of Darkness stun duration decreased from 1.4/1.8/2.2/2.6 to 1.2/1.6/2.0/2.4 seconds - Nether Strike now hits a Greater Bash based on it's current level and not auto-lvl4 Lycanthrope - Feral Impulse AoE reduced from global to 900 - Shapeshift base attack rate changed to 1.5 (a nerf) - Wolves HP reduced from 400/475/550/625 to 400/450/500/550 why thank you i'm more thankful for the lycan nerf, global feral impulse was one of the cheapest pushing spells in the game i dont get the storm spirit tweak though, now he's even worse against early* nukes (ganks) | ||
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