[HoN/DotA] Let's Play~!! - Page 1188

On March 06 2011 15:13 grave_Lotus wrote:
Looking for a friend in HoN I just want to learn the game without elitist pricks yelling at me..

ingame name is gravelotus

On March 06 2011 15:29 rabidch wrote:

if enough elitist pricks yell at you eventually you will be an elitist prick yelling at somebody

isnt that enough to hope for?

On March 06 2011 19:28 Arckan wrote:
What is TL's opinion of Rampage in HoN? Just a pubstomper?

On March 06 2011 19:39 StallingHard wrote:
A bad pubstomper to say the least. There are other heroes that disable better than him, do more dmg than him, etcetc. However, with the buff making him magic immune after x seconds at least he's passable. I'd take a Panda over Rampage any day

On March 07 2011 08:53 Durak wrote:


Rampage is a reasonable hero that is rarely played by good players. Most people don't know how to play rampage properly or even how to play against him properly. Rampage is very viable if played correctly but isn't good for competitive play because of the metagame+lineups+etc.


Panda and rampage aren't very similar Also, I'm sorry to hear you've never seen rampage played well.

On March 07 2011 12:09 Gummy wrote:
I was not aware that magmus and andro were such good gankers. Is Nymphora still considered a good ganker in top tier games, or is her stun too dodgeable for people with 200+ apm?

On March 07 2011 12:09 Gummy wrote:
I was not aware that magmus and andro were such good gankers.

On March 07 2011 12:21 rabidch wrote:

wat

double wat

and apm does not translate into higher dodging skill.

On March 07 2011 12:36 Etherone wrote:

of course it does. we all know your hero moves faster if you spam right-click.

edit: "actually i dont think magmus is top tier ganker he's just useful for a lot of things"
yea.... he is useful for a lot of gank related things.

On March 07 2011 12:36 Etherone wrote:

of course it does. we all know your hero moves faster if you spam right-click.

edit: "actually i dont think magmus is top tier ganker he's just useful for a lot of things"
yea.... he is useful for a lot of gank related things.

On March 07 2011 12:47 rabidch wrote:

lack of clicking must be why im so bad and never catch up to heroes im trying to kill i will have to click a lot more in the future

Again, clicking faster doesn't make you run faster, per se, but all other things being equal will make you a better chaser against any hero that does not run in a straight line, by the same logic.

On March 07 2011 13:22 DevAzTaYtA wrote:


nope, just makes you more likely to misclick.

anyone know if bloodlines champions is worth playing?

On March 07 2011 15:09 DevAzTaYtA wrote:
you're also assuming that a misclick can be corrected.

On March 07 2011 13:57 Gummy wrote:

That's an interesting point... But assuming you have the same rate of misclicking, the relative bad effect of the misclick will be less if you have a higher apm. Let's say you have a given misclick rate m. If you have an apm a, and an apm b s.t. a>b, then the average number of clicks time following the misclick it takes to execute a correction will be 1/(1-m). The duration between clicks are given by 1/a and 1/b minutes, respectively (or 60/a, 60/b seconds).

Then the average time, in seconds, to correction is the product of these two numbers: 1/(1-m) * (60/a) vs. 1/(1-m)*(60/b)

We see that a > b (b>=0, a <=1) implies that 60/a < 60/b, implies
1/(1-m) * (60/a) < 1/(1-m)*(60/b)

or that higher APM immediately implies lower correction time.

So given my "all other things being equal assumption" and my interpretation of equality, I've just proven that having a higher apm is more beneficial on average.

I accept that there are certain assumptions being made:

1.) I assume the measure of apm implies that there is some intake and processing of information between subsequent clicks.
**1a.) I assume that the choice not to click might be included in the apm (even though it is not.) This inaccuracy, I hope, is empirically not particularly large since there is SOME non-deleterious action that can be taken in almost all cases. Even the crucial timing involved in orb-walking can be interspersed with select actions to check opponent's items.
2.) I assume "all other things being equal" to include misclick rate, which is also a very unrealistic assumption. Generally misclick rate grows proportionally to APM, but this trend is a bit harder to model mathematically without some empirical data.

So yeah. Consider your point refuted.

On March 07 2011 15:11 Gummy wrote:

I'm not actually. If a misclick can't be corrected, then you'd just be in an equally shitty situation if you had fewer clicks and the same rate of error.

On March 07 2011 16:58 StallingHard wrote:


Not true, the misclick comes faster due to your increased number of clicks over a set amount of time, and subsequent misclicks come faster. Some misclicks can be avoided, but some misclicks trigger a near instant cast animation, or turn, etc that will cause consequences.

You also make the baseless assumption that misclicks translate at a linear rate, I would argue that the faster you click the higher likelihood there is for a misclick.