EPTSeriously be glad you don't
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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On May 10 2009 13:30 Bill307 wrote: Boo that version is censored. My favourite part will always be: Is he close? No Fuck it SHORYUKEN!!1 It's especially funny 'cause I see it happen even among good players, and I do it sometimes if I'm SO sure it's going to work that I don't even look at where the other guy is standing.  this is not SF4 but pretty shoryuhappy stuff | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On May 11 2009 10:16 zizou21 wrote: that was a great match | ||
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kefkalives
Australia1272 Posts
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
 ). The general ideas are applicable to most (non-high-level) players, however.Step 1: Find out what they do after a divekick. Call it X. Choose whatever divekick follow-up you want to get this information: a throw, a 2nd divekick, a cr.LK, or just block. Step 1a: If your follow-up lost to their X, then the next time you divekick in, anticipate X and punish them for it. Step 2: Now your opponent should have learned not to do X anymore. Turn their instinct against them and the next time you divekick, follow it up with the one thing X counters. Step 3: Now your opponent will be feeling confused, because their instinct is telling them to do X and not to do X at the same time. Usually they'll try doing X again, so I suggest countering it again. Or feed the confusion by doing something completely different the next time you jump in, e.g. EX Messiah Kick if they don't block. Step 4: Do maybe a couple more divekick mixups, then stop. Your last mixup should end with whatever X counters. Then find some other way to mix them up, e.g. cr.LK (low) vs forward-MK (overhead), with lots of cr.LP to keep them locked down. Step 5: After a period of no divekick mixups and lots of other pressure to think about, they'll do one of two things. Either they'll forget everything they learned and revert back to X, or they'll remember only the last thing you hit them with post-divekick and try to counter that, which is also X. Now start the divekick mixups all over again, beginning with the counter to X. Concrete example: suppose their X is "throw". Then you might do the following: - divekick - divekick (they try to throw and lose) - divekick (they try to throw and lose) - throw (they try to block or press jab and lose) - divekick - EX Messiah Kick (they try to throw or press jab and lose) - divekick - throw (they try to block or press jab and lose) - avoid using divekicks for ~15 seconds - repeat Notice the last thing I did after a divekick and before repeating the cycle was a throw. So if they don't simply revert back to doing throws, the other likely thing is that they'll remember only the last thing that hit them after a divekick and try to counter it, which is also a throw. Also, the reason that I did three divekicks at the start, expecting them to attempt two throws, is because the divekicks happen so fast that most people won't learn to stop throwing until it's already failed twice. On the other hand, EX Messiah Kick gives them a lot of time to think about their mistake. Because of this extra "psychological damage", EX Messiah Kick is very likely to make them block after your next divekick. | ||
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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
edit: also learn ex/non-ex messiah kick fadc ultra. that shit hurts. when doing that and teh opponent is touching the wall backdash ultra. dashing forward and you'll dash too far | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
- j.HK air-to-air, land, ultra - divekick, LK, HK, ultra (make sure the divekick combos into LK) - (in the corner) any tornado, ultra These are all a lot easier to do than the FADC into ultra. | ||
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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
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zizou21
United States3683 Posts
On May 13 2009 06:55 sung_moon wrote: haha saya edit: also learn ex/non-ex messiah kick fadc ultra. that shit hurts. when doing that and teh opponent is touching the wall backdash ultra. dashing forward and you'll dash too far you can fadc out of a non-ex messiah kik? | ||
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kefkalives
Australia1272 Posts
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zizou21
United States3683 Posts
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junny
United States174 Posts
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kefkalives
Australia1272 Posts
On May 14 2009 11:01 zizou21 wrote: any tips on timing on fadc'ing out of any messiah kicks? i pull it off pretty randomly imo Just go into training mode and practise it for half an hour. thats how i learnt fuerte infinite. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Dictator: 6f startup, -1 on block, 120 damage Ryu: 9f startup, -6 on block, 110 damage Chun Li: 11f startup, -5 on block, 100 damage Sagat: 7f startup, -3 on block, 110 damage (only counting the 2nd hit, full move is really 5*2 startup and 40*110 damage) But as for actual strategy, I obviously don't know much about him yet. I'm not going to bother asking about matchups at this point, but does anybody have any tips or good tactics? In which matchups and situations is it worth fishing for j.mp x 2 -> ultra and lv.2-3 FA -> ultra? When to use psycho crusher rather than scissor kicks? Is the best cross-up j.mk, and is it worth attempting often or just on occasion? Against somebody without a good DP-like move or lariat, what to do after a blocked headstomp--which of (1) retreat, (2) land behind into throw/low attack, (3) P followup to hit, (4) whiff P into throw/low attack, are worthwhile? At least I've realized that slide after knockdown and empty jump devil reverse both aren't so hot in this game. | ||
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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On May 14 2009 13:08 SayaSP wrote: do you know his 'bnb' Good point, which are you talking about? Afaik Bison doesn't have much in the way of combos, relatively speaking. I'm not aware of any real combos other than the painfully obvious (j.hp cl.hp xx hp crusher punish, and *insert a couple links* xx scissors). Actually, I don't even know what the most consistent link into scissors would be. What follows up a FA besides ultra/super? Any worthwhile FADC combos? I'd imagine you'd cancel scissors into another scissors combo? edit: oh yeah, and of course which other links are worthwhile. I guess cr.lk, s.lk, s.hk is possible, as is cr.mp, s.hk. | ||
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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
whatever s.lp c.mk scissor and yeah whatever s.lk s.hk | ||
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
very deadly dictator play right here. throws off opponent with devil's reverse very well. | ||
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Kim_Hyun_Han
706 Posts
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