Any talented player who's new to SF4 can play against a shoryu-spammer and say, "Hey this guy just uppercuts all the time: imma just block all day and hit him after each blocked uppercut." He wouldn't even have to do any combos.

I know it's not easy to block all the time when that's not how you normally play, 'cause your habits tell you to do otherwise, but if you can't then it's 100% your fault for not being talented enough, not the spammer's fault for doing what works.

PS: I have personally beaten people in SF3:3s and in SF4 with nothing but uppercuts. It's a perfectly-valid strategy against people who lose to it.

A3iL3r0n

United States2196 Posts

May 09 2009 06:16 GMT

#882

lol sounds like somebody sucks.

red.venom

United States4651 Posts

May 09 2009 06:59 GMT

#883

No its actually pretty stupid how you can be doing a combo or block string and drop part of it because the timing is so difficult on links, especially online and have them dp you. The adjustment you really need to make vs people you havent seen play is that you can't do unsafe block strings in this game is at the beginning of a match(Or whenever you are playing vs a character with a DP and 2 bars of meter). So just do like lp lp/lk lk and back off instead of pushing a big block string through and watch them whiff a dp and then punish with whatever you got.

anotak

United States1537 Posts

May 09 2009 09:34 GMT

#884

people say a lot of stuff about SF4 and it always sounds to me like they aren't playing the same game I am... getting hit by random shoryus? why are you randomly not blocking?

Really my only complaint with SF4 is the netcode is FUCKING WORTHLESS. I wish there was a way to get ST on GGPO or HD Remix quality netcode going. I understand a lot of the technical restrictions but they still could've done a better job than they did.

Etherone

United States1898 Posts

May 09 2009 09:48 GMT

#885

On May 09 2009 14:46 Bill307 wrote:
Any talented player who's new to SF4 can play against a shoryu-spammer and say, "Hey this guy just uppercuts all the time: imma just block all day and hit him after each blocked uppercut." He wouldn't even have to do any combos.

I know it's not easy to block all the time when that's not how you normally play, 'cause your habits tell you to do otherwise, but if you can't then it's 100% your fault for not being talented enough, not the spammer's fault for doing what works.

PS: I have personally beaten people in SF3:3s and in SF4 with nothing but uppercuts. It's a perfectly-valid strategy against people who lose to it.

of course it is, and it is also despicable. ^ ^

i know it is my fault for not being adaptable enough yet, but it still frustrates me.

And i still think this game is extremely well balanced

Bill307

Canada9103 Posts

May 09 2009 17:04 GMT

#886

On May 09 2009 15:59 red.venom wrote:
No its actually pretty stupid how you can be doing a combo or block string and drop part of it because the timing is so difficult on links, especially online and have them dp you.

Then drop it on purpose, block their DP, and punish. Simple. =P

SayaSP

Laos5494 Posts

May 09 2009 18:20 GMT

#887

I like to say I meant to get hit

and then after I block I say

DID YOU SEE A DIFFERENCE THERE

Then I realize that I know.

But I just don't

This is not a joke

anotak

United States1537 Posts

May 09 2009 19:16 GMT

#888

here's the trick: push them out of shoryu range with links and then punish because they put in the shoryu while they were in range but the game is "easy" and it buffers the shoryu for that fucking long.

you can use the "easiness" of the engine against people all the time in this game you just have to know how.

iD.NicKy

France767 Posts

May 09 2009 19:44 GMT

#889

i learnt to punish those shoryuken furies
btw i'm building a community website for frenches mainly, if there's any here go check
http://www.sf4france.com

GogoKodo

Canada1785 Posts

May 10 2009 02:32 GMT

#890

LOL

http://kotaku.com/5247049/sf-flowchart-all-roads-lead-to-shoryuken
+ Show Spoiler +

edit: I see it's been posted before. But it's still good.

Bill307

Canada9103 Posts

May 10 2009 04:30 GMT

#891

Boo that version is censored.

My favourite part will always be:

Is he close?
No
Fuck it
SHORYUKEN!!1

It's especially funny 'cause I see it happen even among good players, and I do it sometimes if I'm SO sure it's going to work that I don't even look at where the other guy is standing.

iD.NicKy

France767 Posts

May 10 2009 10:34 GMT

#892

so fucking true looool

zizou21

United States3683 Posts

May 10 2009 18:00 GMT

#893

ha this show is incredible

dogface reminds me of tasteless

zizou21

United States3683 Posts

May 10 2009 22:00 GMT

#894

hey i play a few vegas this morning
do they always get a free grab on rufus after his jumpdown kick (u kno his lil downkick special,dunno name) or am i just too noob and my link is too slow

vegas always grab me!! >

MiniRoman

Canada3953 Posts

May 10 2009 22:58 GMT

#895

Probably if you divekick high you're not getting a long enough hitstun and your followup link gets beat by a throw. Try thowing after the kick or delaying the kick so your closer to the ground before you do it (hit later, land faster with more hitstun).

Bill307

Canada9103 Posts

May 10 2009 23:11 GMT

#896

On May 11 2009 07:00 zizou21 wrote:
do they always get a free grab on rufus after his jumpdown kick

Depends on how high your divekick hits them and whether it was hit or blocked.

E.g. if they block a divekick at head or shoulder level, then they can throw you when you land, unless you jump, tech the throw, or do EX Messiah Kick.

E.g. iirc you can link a divekick hit into a close HP if you hit them at their feet.

I'm not sure where the line is between when it is and is not safe to follow-up a divekick with a s.LP / c.LP . You'll have to test that for yourself. In any case, the general rule with divekicks is, try to hit them as low as possible.

Edit: another tip: if someone throws you after a divekick, then piss them off by doing divekick -> divekick or divekick -> EX Messiah Kick, both of which will beat their throw. Then next time, do divekick -> throw, hoping they are now afraid of trying to throw you. And so on.