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Harris1st
Germany7326 Posts
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Hildegard
Germany348 Posts
On October 05 2023 22:03 Harris1st wrote: Nice to see Khaldor is still active. Was my go to source for everything regarding the Heroes pro scene back in the day (and apparently still is). Maybe I should just delete D4 to make space for Hots again on my harddrive. That'll show Blizzard :D You should do that. Give D4 some time to develop. Maybe in a year or two it becomes enjoyable. | ||
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lestye
United States4227 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7326 Posts
On October 05 2023 22:17 Hildegard wrote: You should do that. Give D4 some time to develop. Maybe in a year or two it becomes enjoyable. I actually did. Played some QMs on the weekend, was fun. Only downside is the playerbase has gotten small and queue times even for random QMs are high 2-3min as Supp/ Tank, 6+ mins as Damage. | ||
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_Spartak_
Turkey459 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33665 Posts
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Miragee
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Army control and size look pretty smooth and fun from these short videos. I like that so far. However, I feel like the visual clutter has increased immensely since the earlier footage and readability of the fights has really gone down because of it. On October 19 2023 02:48 Waxangel wrote: more importantly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a09wp29wCm8 This is very cringe. | ||
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2597 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9647 Posts
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Zealgoon
China188 Posts
Not a bad attempt, I'm finally getting a little hyped about the game, though only a little. Didn't look like it'd be ready for beta for another year though. It's a bit ironic that Zerospace might in fact come out earlier than Stormgate. | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
But dont they have their own game in development? Isn't that a conflict of interest? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27228 Posts
On October 20 2023 02:50 [Phantom] wrote: Something Interesting I noticed... Scarlett seems to be involved here, in the open beta and with a close relationship with the devs too. Catz aswell.. But dont they have their own game in development? Isn't that a conflict of interest? They’re just skilled RTS players doing their thing, Scarlett especially has had a very good SC2 career, is pretty bloody good at BW May as well make use of their talents, and I mean I think the wider community is fervently hoping at least one of these games succeed. And really it probably benefits them both if they both succeed. Even people who love competitive RTS can burn out with basically only SC2 as any semi-modern success story. I should know having not played for years, if there was a couple I could bounce between I’d actually be more likely to stay playing them. It’s a ‘conflict of interest’ in the way me filling in once for a guitar player in another metal band was. Our scene needs good gigs, a better scene means more gigs for my band, filling that gap suits both of our needs, even if we’re ’rivals’ within it. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3509 Posts
On October 20 2023 03:23 WombaT wrote: They’re just skilled RTS players doing their thing, Scarlett especially has had a very good SC2 career, is pretty bloody good at BW May as well make use of their talents, and I mean I think the wider community is fervently hoping at least one of these games succeed. And really it probably benefits them both if they both succeed. Even people who love competitive RTS can burn out with basically only SC2 as any semi-modern success story. I should know having not played for years, if there was a couple I could bounce between I’d actually be more likely to stay playing them. It’s a ‘conflict of interest’ in the way me filling in once for a guitar player in another metal band was. Our scene needs good gigs, a better scene means more gigs for my band, filling that gap suits both of our needs, even if we’re ’rivals’ within it. Then you should join CPL this season for BW while you wait for the next decent RTS | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27228 Posts
On October 20 2023 09:25 WGT-Baal wrote: Then you should join CPL this season for BW while you wait for the next decent RTS It’s still a great game, came to prominence before my time really. If I had time to learn the basics like a different FFE layout on every second map, I’d do so. I mean Blizzard fucked the easiiest money they could have possibly made from me with WC3 which I did play in such a manner and is probably my favourite game of all time | ||
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3132 Posts
Lookin sick. That last shot is sweet. | ||
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Slydie
1991 Posts
Maybe they could have struck a deal making it in the SC2 engine, saving a LOT of time? Are my expectations too high, or can these things be improved a lot before release? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27228 Posts
On October 22 2023 02:42 Slydie wrote: Sorry for being the devil's advocate here, but I have problems seeing how the game is better than SC2 in terms of both graphics and physics. It has been 13 years, and I want it to show! Maybe they could have struck a deal making it in the SC2 engine, saving a LOT of time? Are my expectations too high, or can these things be improved a lot before release? I’m not sure you can do much better in terms of a base engine than SC2 for this specific kind of competitive-focused RTS Really ramp up the graphical fidelity and IMO visibility starts to suffer, and being able to quickly gauge what is on screen and make judgements from there is really damn critical. Also it is a bit prettier technically but I think the art style being consciously cartoony takes away from that a bit. Also given it’s a spiritual successor to classic Blizz games and Blizzard deliberately didn’t push the graphical envelope too much, and their games could run optimally on even lower end hardware, I mean I sort of expected as much. Physics I mean they look fine to me, what kind of things do you think are lacking? There’s definitely room for more complex physics in a more single player-oriented RTS, but I think in a game aiming to be what Stormgate is simplicity and predictability are the order of the day | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2799 Posts
On October 22 2023 02:42 Slydie wrote: Sorry for being the devil's advocate here, but I have problems seeing how the game is better than SC2 in terms of both graphics and physics. It has been 13 years, and I want it to show! Maybe they could have struck a deal making it in the SC2 engine, saving a LOT of time? Are my expectations too high, or can these things be improved a lot before release? Why do you think physics and graphics matter? Like a lot of life, how attractive something is only draws you to that thing in the first place. This is why we see studios cheat on their trailers to make their games look better than they actually do (Pretty easy to look up examples of Ubisoft doing this!). Sure, it's good for sales and makes sense to do, but dev resources are limited and I'd respect if Stormgate is putting resources more directly into 'actual game dev' than graphical polish at this point. With that said, I think your expectations are too high. Physics was a 'selling feature' in SC2's release because Blizzard had the dev budget to fit it in and it was a novel feature to sell as an improvement over its prequel. Physics itself has zero gameplay interaction and is purely aesthetic. While aesthetics do have value, -design- is where the efforts should be focused imo, as all of us RTS-heads are gonna care a fuckload more about readability and clarity in fights than we are ragdoll physics. Given that clarity and readability are design focuses, there's a limited amount you can do with typical 'graphical fidelity' with those design constraints. WC3 reforged is an excellent example - it simultaneously looks 'better' and like complete shit at the same time. There's room for the game to look better, but those are graphical DESIGN issues, which isn't something made easier by 13 years having passed. | ||
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