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[IrIs]YellOw
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden91 Posts
June 15 2007 19:22 GMT
#1
What is the best RPG game ever in your opinon?

Mine is Star Ocean Till The End of Time. Also Kingdom Hearts, it is a shame that Final Remix didn't release in Europe...
ZlyKiss
Profile Joined April 2006
Poland697 Posts
June 15 2007 19:45 GMT
#2
Fallout because of maturity, world, climate.

Im to old for all these childish games. My time is to precious for all these beatifull graphically yet infantile rpgs.

TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
June 15 2007 19:55 GMT
#3
fallout 2 (and possibly 1) & baldursgate 2 comes to mind : >
Bergkamp ftw!
TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
June 15 2007 19:56 GMT
#4
played alot of albion and lands of lore 1-2-3 aswell
Bergkamp ftw!
Dendra
Profile Joined July 2006
Croatia801 Posts
June 15 2007 19:57 GMT
#5
Arcanum of Steamworks and Magic Obscure
full title sth like that :D
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Victor
Profile Joined November 2005
New Zealand1016 Posts
June 15 2007 19:59 GMT
#6
...FF7 :\
Brutalisk
Profile Joined February 2007
794 Posts
June 15 2007 20:05 GMT
#7
Planescape: Torment
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
June 15 2007 20:07 GMT
#8
there are about 10 rpgs released for the snes that i could name
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
user39
Profile Joined April 2007
Canada25 Posts
June 15 2007 20:13 GMT
#9
xenogears!
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
June 15 2007 20:15 GMT
#10
One word: Fallout
I'll call Nada.
kefkalives
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Australia1272 Posts
June 15 2007 20:16 GMT
#11
FF6, without doubt. So many kefka quotes! also for its time the graphics were pretty groundbreaking for a snes game, the side quests and hidden characters, the score was also awesome, and the story brang about steampunk in video games.
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imRadu
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
1798 Posts
June 15 2007 20:29 GMT
#12
fallout 1&2
planescape torment
betrayal at krondor
Its really good to see that some people dont let education get in the way of their ignorance
Raidern
Profile Joined February 2005
Brazil3811 Posts
June 15 2007 20:36 GMT
#13
chrono trigger
For the Swarm!
roMAD
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Russia2355 Posts
June 15 2007 20:42 GMT
#14
Fallout 2 is a masterpiece
abandonallhope
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Sweden563 Posts
June 15 2007 20:54 GMT
#15
Diablo II.
FatRine
Profile Joined May 2007
406 Posts
June 15 2007 20:56 GMT
#16
FF7, FF6 and fallout

those 3 are in my opinion the best of the genre
ToT)SiLeNcE(
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany590 Posts
June 15 2007 20:57 GMT
#17
baldur's gate 1 / 2
and final fantasy 7
lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
June 15 2007 21:01 GMT
#18
Does Zelda qualify as RPG ? I think not right ? because if it does then it's Ocarina of time. If not then it's a triple tie between FF7, Chrono trigger and fallout
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Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-15 22:09:03
June 15 2007 22:08 GMT
#19
fallout 2
(if counts) zelda: ocarina of time
(if counts) diablo
(if counts) diablo 2
elder scrolls 3: morrowind
elder scrolls 4: oblivion
bg (i never played bg2 or planescape torment T_T)
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
June 15 2007 22:14 GMT
#20
Can't choose one so I'll name the 3 best:

chrono trigger
baldurs gate 2
diablo 2
shimmy
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Poland997 Posts
June 15 2007 22:17 GMT
#21
The Baldur's Gate series.
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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
June 15 2007 22:25 GMT
#22
Dragon Quest VII is awesome. But it seems to be one of the Dragon Quest games (along with V) that people seem to skip.
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sundance
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Slovakia3201 Posts
June 15 2007 22:39 GMT
#23
Fallout 2
Dungeon Master
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HappyFeetO_O
Profile Joined June 2007
China350 Posts
June 15 2007 22:46 GMT
#24
Chrono Trigger is just awesome
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Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19135 Posts
June 15 2007 22:47 GMT
#25
Fallout 2, Baldurs Gate 2, Jagged Alliance 2.

Diablo II was great but totally missed the depth of those games while multiplayer and addiction made up for it in different ways .

Ocarina of time is insanely brilliant as well but Im limiting myself to consoles but it missed a certain amount of depth imho.
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Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9020 Posts
June 15 2007 23:01 GMT
#26
Diablo II , FF9, 8 ,7
Aerox
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Malaysia1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-15 23:34:03
June 15 2007 23:29 GMT
#27
Fallout 2.

Just need a multiplayer version for the singleplayer and it'll beat D2 by miles.

I do like D2. It's very good but Fallout 2 is great.

Man, I have a feeling the MMORPG version will suck. Stubid interplay boss.
And maybe Fallout 3 will too. Bethesda still needs to work on their Oblivion AIs.
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Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
June 15 2007 23:44 GMT
#28
Perhaps a poll of the more popular answers, along with an other option, is in order.

My Top Pick
Chrono Trigger
The music, music, combo techs, story, multiple endings, cool characters, the whole time aspect, so many good things about this game.

Honorable Mentions
Super Mario RPG (hehe mario in an rpg what a ridiculous concept)
Planescape: Torment (If I ever get around to finishing the game it may very well become my top pick)
T-P-S
Profile Joined June 2007
United States204 Posts
June 15 2007 23:56 GMT
#29
Final Fantasy VII, as has been suggested many times already.

Still haven't seen Advent Children T_T
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Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
June 16 2007 00:21 GMT
#30
I haven't played all that many RPGs, but I'd say Diablo 1, Chrono Trigger, and Fallout.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
June 16 2007 00:26 GMT
#31
D2.
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Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-16 01:13:46
June 16 2007 01:12 GMT
#32
On June 16 2007 05:54 abandonallhope wrote:
Diablo II.


or a link to the past

god i love that game

and super mario rpg was a sick good game too
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 16 2007 01:22 GMT
#33
ive played a shit ton of rpgs but
I agree with star ocean till the end of time
ViCTiMoFaDoWn
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada5 Posts
June 16 2007 01:23 GMT
#34
The whole diablo series.... and fallout 2
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XythOs
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
Germany520 Posts
June 16 2007 01:28 GMT
#35
What about Saiken Denetsu 1-3? (Secret of Mana 1/2, Secret of Evermore)
Foo Magoo
Profile Joined April 2007
102 Posts
June 16 2007 01:28 GMT
#36
Paper Mario
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
June 16 2007 01:31 GMT
#37
Fallout, FF8, Chrono Trigger, Tactics, etc
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I_are_n00b
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
196 Posts
June 16 2007 01:39 GMT
#38
What!?!?!?! Star Ocean: Till the End of Time? Are you kidding me? Great battle system, but everything else was pretty mediocre. Generic storyline, bad voice acting, sub par minigames and lousy 99 floor dungeons as a way to add content -_-. Decent music though.

I think these are probably the best for their generation of games:

CT -> FF7 -> FFX
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DevAzTaYtA
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Oman2005 Posts
June 16 2007 01:56 GMT
#39
fallout 2
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
June 16 2007 03:04 GMT
#40
I go for the Baldur's gate series: great storyline (especially the one which is my favourite game ever ) , had nice graphics with the ADD 2 system.
Too bad i have never played Planescape Torment and Fallout series because they seem uber cool aswell.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
AmorVincitOmnia
Profile Joined March 2005
Kenya3846 Posts
June 16 2007 03:41 GMT
#41
secret of mana for snes
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jacen
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Austria3644 Posts
June 16 2007 04:23 GMT
#42
story: ff7
gameplay: neverwinter nights
character design: planescape torment

easy.
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iD.NicKy
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
France767 Posts
June 16 2007 04:27 GMT
#43
secret of mana
PauL_JoneS
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States373 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-16 04:29:56
June 16 2007 04:29 GMT
#44
Final Fantasy 6 (3 in US) overall. With regards to storyline and music I really enjoy Lunar Silver Star and Lunar Eternal Blue games from the Sega CD. Captivated me so much.
Million
Profile Joined April 2004
United States559 Posts
June 16 2007 04:33 GMT
#45
i would say chrono trigger
milly9
Profile Joined May 2007
Canada325 Posts
June 16 2007 04:34 GMT
#46
I like oblivion coz you can go into random peoples houses and kill them and then undress them and pose them in random positions and steal all their shit
then i stick my treasures in a treehole
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
June 16 2007 04:35 GMT
#47
1) Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past

2) Fallout 2

3) Shadows of Amn
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atarianimo
Profile Joined June 2007
United States82 Posts
June 16 2007 05:09 GMT
#48
My favorite RPG was Warcraft 3.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-16 05:32:19
June 16 2007 05:26 GMT
#49
On June 16 2007 14:09 atarianimo wrote:
My favorite RPG was Warcraft 3.



Lol warcraft 3 is obviously not an rpg ^^ rpg means roleplaying game, whereas warcraft 3 is an rts which means a real time strategy game.
(btw: i think that diablo and zelda arent too but this is way more debatable).

edit: oh was ur first post i just hope you dont troll ;D
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
RebelHeart
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
New Zealand722 Posts
June 16 2007 05:30 GMT
#50
On June 16 2007 14:09 atarianimo wrote:
My favorite RPG was Warcraft 3.


ROFL, great first post

Twinsen's Odyssey 2 is definitely awesome. someone started up a thread on that a few months back in this forum
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atarianimo
Profile Joined June 2007
United States82 Posts
June 16 2007 05:32 GMT
#51
On June 16 2007 14:26 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2007 14:09 atarianimo wrote:
My favorite RPG was Warcraft 3.



Lol warcraft 3 is obviously not an rpg ^^ rpg means roleplaying game, whereas warcraft 3 is an rts which means a real time strategy game.
(btw: i think that diablo and zelda arent too but this is way more debatable).


It sure felt like one.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-16 05:40:02
June 16 2007 05:39 GMT
#52
On June 16 2007 14:32 atarianimo wrote:

It sure felt like one.


Well if you think that a low unit based rts + campaign + heroes = rpg i think you are wrong dude. I must agree that warcraft 3 is closer to rpg than other rts like broodwar for example because of the small number of units, heroes and their levels, however it is definitly not an rpg.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Kassios
Profile Joined May 2006
France1424 Posts
June 16 2007 05:40 GMT
#53
Final Fantasy VII
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FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
June 16 2007 05:57 GMT
#54
GOTHIC 2
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Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3818 Posts
June 16 2007 06:13 GMT
#55
On June 16 2007 14:26 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2007 14:09 atarianimo wrote:
My favorite RPG was Warcraft 3.



Lol warcraft 3 is obviously not an rpg ^^ rpg means roleplaying game, whereas warcraft 3 is an rts which means a real time strategy game.
(btw: i think that diablo and zelda arent too but this is way more debatable).

edit: oh was ur first post i just hope you dont troll ;D


Rofl, only on tl.net


ff6 gets my vote, although I havnt played many rpgs outside the ff genre
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XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
June 16 2007 06:17 GMT
#56
Tales of Destiny 2
Zeto
Profile Joined January 2005
United States2290 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-16 06:31:02
June 16 2007 06:26 GMT
#57
Ugh all of these damn japanese rpgs. Console-style rpg gameplay gets boring fast for me -- just so repetitive.

Doesn't anyone here play rogue-like games? Or ANY classic rpg games?

Fallout and Baldur's Gate 2 were awesome, but even the oldies are better than any of the newer rpgs like diablo2. What's so fun about diablo2? The first diablo was cooler because of random dungeon and quest generation, so every time you start over it's a whole new game. You don't get that out of oblivion or neverwinter nights. Still, even the first Diablo is nowhere near one of my favorites because there are so many better games out there.

Yeah, graphics are way better now, but what about gameplay?

My top 5:

1.) Ultima VII - A big, detailed world where fun, creative quests are around every corner, and you're never forced to play through a linear storyline. This is the king of RPG games where you are free to do so many things, from dungeon crawling, to sailing to mysterious islands; from fishing, to blacksmithing. It's very freeform gameplay. If you have the original game data (expansion optional) a team wrote a free engine that works on newer systems.

http://exult.sourceforge.net/

Oh, and by the way, Ultima IV and VI were also great games, but they're older style where you have to type out many of the commands (even for little things like 'open door'). I don't think many people here would like that.

2.) Fallout // Fallout 2 - What an immersive game! A post-apocalyptic setting, not where you play a hero or some other kind of terribly skilled and powerful person, but someone that just wants to survive. Explore a world full of mutants, thieves, and others trying to take advantage of you, with dungeons riddles with both bad guys and animals affected by the nuclear fallout of the last war. The rpg system behind fallout is cool, you have your stats, of course, and also special abilities, iirc each comes with some downside as well. You run around the world in real time, but when you enter combat it turns into a turn-based game, which may sound boring but is pretty cool and fits well with the overall game. It requires patience yes, and if you are patient it'll be rewarding, take your time, with one skill you can actually aim for specific body parts no matter what npc you're up against, aim for the nuts or the head, both would cause different damage points, and both have different chances of landing. Lots of other skills add to the game in several ways, it's not just bonuses to attacks and resistances -- whole new game implementations come with some skills and also stats (with higher charisma, for example, you get more choices in dialogue with npcs). Gameplay reminds me somewhat of Ultima VII because it's pretty freeform and there are lots of fun quests to do.

Game info and screenshots:
http://www.mobygames.com/game/fallout/

3.) NetHack and other rogue-like games - The first thing you're going to think to yourself, just like I did, is "this game looks like shit". It's true, they all look like shit! But where these games lack graphics, they make up in gameplay and depth.

Think Diablo2, take away the nice graphics, add about a hundred more things you can do, each with its own importance, randomly generated dungeons, randomly generated items, randomly generated random generation, random random random. What's so great about random? You get a whole new game experience every time you start over. That red potion you drank last game that saved your life could poison you next game. Each and every level looks different every time you start over.

Most rogue-like games start very simply, you're in a dungeon, there are a bunch of levels, your goal is simply to get down to the lowest level, beat the boss, and win. Sounds easy but many people have never beaten the game even once. It's a hard rpg genre where emphasis is on survival by any means (oh, and there are many means) and the goal is always completion. Gaining levels and looking for phat lewts isn't going to save your ass. There's a good reason why these games are still so popular, despite the crappy ascii graphics, you just need to give them a fair chance, like I did.

Game info and downloads:
http://www.nethack.org/
http://www.thangorodrim.net/
(Zangband, linked in thangorodrim, is another popular rogue-like, but following the silmarillion story of Angband by J.R.R. Tolkien, so you might feel more comfortable playing that as an RPG)
http://doom.chaosforge.org/ <--a DOOM rogue-like! Don't like fantasy? Replace the swords and magic with shotguns.

4.) The Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall - This, in my opinion, is the king of first-person rpgs. Again, it's old and the graphics aren't spectacular, though it was good looking for its time.

The game world. I don't think any RPG is capable of reproducing the size of this fucker. Literally the size of Great Britain, though you'd be crazy to actually walk from place to place. Everything except the items available, cities and special landmarks is randomly generated. Again with the random generation -- yes, I love it. What does this mean in Daggerfall that makes it special? The DUNGEONS are randomly generated, too! Since they're 3d, it's pretty incredible and no other game has yet to make randomly generated 3d dungeons.

That's right. Make your character, there are so many variations, each time you start over it's a whole new game. I personally liked playing a sword mage - they're very powerful and you get both the best weapons and spells to use. Dungeon crawls are so fun, a one man army tearing the place up.

The game is so freeform, make your own spells, combining different effects, customize your equipment with enchantments, buy houses and boats, get involved in world politics and change your status, get simple to epic quests (many quests also being randomly generated)...

Wikipedia says it best:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_II:_Daggerfall

The key feature of Daggerfall as in all The Elder Scrolls games is the freedom the game offers to players. Players are free to play the game in any style, from an honorable knight to an evil assassin. Players are also free to stray from the main quest at anytime and can choose not to do it at all.


Daggerfall is the largest Elder Scrolls game to date, featuring a game world estimated as being 161,600 square Kilometres (63,125 square miles) — roughly twice the size of Great Britain — with over 15,000 towns, cities, villages, and dungeons for the player's character to explore.


Yeah. Cool thing is there's a Windows XP patch now, so you can enjoy it even now, but it can still be buggy.

5.) Might and Magic VI - A beautifully designed game with a feeling like Daggerfall, except the world is static, no random content, but it makes up for it with its challenging game world (both on your wits and your patience). In this game you have a party, no one man army, npc interaction takes a bigger role, combat is more tactical and fast-paced than Daggerfall. It's a tough rpg with hundreds of hours of gameplay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Might_and_Magic_VI:_The_Mandate_of_Heaven

I'm not mentioning Planescape: Torment because I think of it more of an interactive story than an RPG game. It's a great story and cool npc interaction, but I can't say it's one of my top 5 games.

Baldur's Gate 2 is trully a masterpiece. I recommend it because the first time you play through it - wow - it's an epic quest with fun gameplay (D&D 2.0 rules) and many, many hours of sitting at your chair, looking at the screen, stuck in that fun little world. It's beautifully designed, but... it's too linear, you will never get the same immersive experience again. I wish Black Isle still made games

edit: Oh I hear Gothic 2 was a great rpg game. Might want to check that out.

WarCraft 3 is not an RPG... I played through the single player and yeah it feels like one but still, it's a mix with RTS, so you can't really call it an RPG. Another example - the heroes of might and magic series of games, they're rpg/turn-based strategy, but would you call them rpg games? No.
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{ToT}Strafe
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Thailand7026 Posts
June 16 2007 06:31 GMT
#58
Diablo I, Quest for Glory I( YEAH IM REAL HARDCORE). Maybe Diablo II.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14893 Posts
June 16 2007 06:37 GMT
#59
FF4
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
June 16 2007 06:46 GMT
#60
Zeto you made an awesome post. Thanks for the links
I tried netHack but i think it is very too hard ( you cant save if i remember so i think only hardcore players can like this kind of game).

Btw i m wondering if some people think like me that diablo is nearly closer to Hack'n Slash than rpg ?

fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-16 06:55:05
June 16 2007 06:49 GMT
#61
For PC there's no competition:
Baldur's gate 2
Fallout 2

For console:
Final Fantasy Series
Chrono series.

EDIT:
Diablo isn't a true rpg, it's just hack and slash. WC3 has more role playing elements then Diablo and could be easily considered an rpg with some rts game play.
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LeoTheLion
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
China958 Posts
June 16 2007 06:52 GMT
#62
real life
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Profile Joined February 2005
United States1116 Posts
June 16 2007 06:55 GMT
#63
On June 16 2007 05:13 user39 wrote:
xenogears!
Dendra
Profile Joined July 2006
Croatia801 Posts
June 16 2007 07:03 GMT
#64
meh dunno why ppl put planescape torment as no1, game is 2short, you can pass it in 2days and at one point you can take a look at some crystal ball to start a conversation, endless times, each time conversation ends you gain experience, then you come at "last impossible" boss and kill him because your regeneration rate is beyond his dmg capabilities :D septerra core>planescape torment i think, if we look at original RPG's unlike the classical but godlike good baldur's gate / icewind dale series.
Believing isnt seeing.Seeing is believing,but may not be reality.
Zeto
Profile Joined January 2005
United States2290 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-16 07:10:59
June 16 2007 07:07 GMT
#65
On June 16 2007 15:46 Boblion wrote:
Zeto you made an awesome post. Thanks for the links
I tried netHack but i think it is very too hard ( you cant save if i remember so i think only hardcore players can like this kind of game).

Btw i m wondering if some people think like me that diablo is nearly closer to Hack'n Slash than rpg ?



You're welcome!

In Nethack and most other roguelike games you save if you exit, and you continue when you come back, BUT you can't save during the game, then load it when you die. Most people prefer it that way. Yes it's very hard and very challenging, you only get one life, but I don't think it's such a bad thing since it's no big deal starting over - you learn and still have fun.

As for Diablo... well it is hack'n'slash, so is nethack and roguelikes - they're rpg/action games. The thing is in rpg games the line between rpg and action has been blurred from the start. If you want a pure rpg game you'd probably want to play a pencil and paper dungeons and dragons game

The difference in diablo's hack'n'slash style is that it's all in real time, you walk through a dungeon and click your mouse twice, kill something, keep going until you kill more shit, while in rpgs like baldur's gate and nethack it's turn-based. So yeah just depends how you like it, I personally prefer turn-based since those games generally have more depth to them. You can stop and think about what you want to do and it just makes it more fun since the game pretty much makes you think in more difficult settings. While in Diablo and Diablo2 style of gameplay it's more about action and less about tactics, you just slash through shit without thinking, the most you have to remember to do is drink a fucking potion. Not meant to flame Diablo just speaking the truth, I know many would find turn-based gameplay boring. I think that's why some people might not think of diablo as a real rpg, but it is, you're still a hero fighting monsters through dungeons, it's just done differently by blizzard, and that's why it got so popular.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 16 2007 07:12 GMT
#66
On June 16 2007 10:39 I_are_n00b wrote:
What!?!?!?! Star Ocean: Till the End of Time? Are you kidding me? Great battle system, but everything else was pretty mediocre. Generic storyline, bad voice acting, sub par minigames and lousy 99 floor dungeons as a way to add content -_-. Decent music though.

I think these are probably the best for their generation of games:

CT -> FF7 -> FFX


most rpgs don't even add much or any content when the game is over
i mean the game already had alot of content to start with... if it adds anything I don't understand what u are complaining about.

I thought the story was great. yes the voice acting was bad... but if ur playing an rpg for the voice acting ur a weird guy


and the battle system was fucking amazing.. shouldn't that be the number one concern when choosing a game, anyways?
bumpirate
Profile Joined June 2007
United States122 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-16 07:22:07
June 16 2007 07:15 GMT
#67
you dont know lineage? you dont know rpg.
...
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-16 07:30:09
June 16 2007 07:21 GMT
#68
On June 16 2007 16:03 Dendra wrote:
meh dunno why ppl put planescape torment as no1, game is 2short, you can pass it in 2days and at one point you can take a look at some crystal ball to start a conversation, endless times, each time conversation ends you gain experience, then you come at "last impossible" boss and kill him because your regeneration rate is beyond his dmg capabilities :D septerra core>planescape torment i think, if we look at original RPG's unlike the classical but godlike good baldur's gate / icewind dale series.


i think that icewind dale serie are just average/good. Even if it shares the same universe and engine with Baldur's gate ( ubergreat game ) i think the storyline is very weak and it turns in a diablo like which is very sad because the ADD rules + Baldur's Gate engine arent good for hack'n slash imo. I had huge expectations for this game but i was a bit disapointed ( I finished icewindale but i didnt play to icewind dale 2).


For Baldur's gate lovers, there is a mod which allows you to play Baldur's Gate 1 with Baldur's Gate 2 improved engine, higher levels new classes and so on but i dont remember its name T-T.

edit: @zeto i understand your point of view
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Sadir
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Vatican City State1176 Posts
June 16 2007 07:28 GMT
#69
Baldurs Gate 2: Shadow of Amn
that's singelplayer game I have ever played
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
June 16 2007 07:40 GMT
#70
Final Fantasy 7 and Final Fantasy 8!!
Breavman
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden598 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-16 07:45:04
June 16 2007 07:44 GMT
#71
Anyone played Realmz? It's an old turn based RPG, originally for Mac, with simple graphics and no animations at all. But it has a great fighting system and many different scenarios with fun storylines. Some guy made it all on his own and he must have been a genius because I think it beats all "real" games.

Other than that, I have to say the first Baldurs Gate. The second one is good too but I feel too much like a kid in a candy store when playing it, running around and trying to get all cool items. The first one has a better storyline which gives a better sense of adventure and it feels more serious.
Ghardo
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Germany1685 Posts
June 16 2007 08:15 GMT
#72
Final Fantasy VII - unsurpassed console RPG // Xenogears comes close, but is completely different (philosophical elements, religious/system critique).. don't really wanna compare those two.. just teh pure awesomeness and best games you're gonne be playin on console. FFX, VIII in comparison are just soap-bullshit not nearly as classy as VII or XG.
For PC I'd pick Baldur's Gate Shadows of Amn and Plancescape Torment.. the latter havin such a funny/deep storyline that it has even been turned into a book (one commerce and another one fan based.. the fan based is of course better). Planescape unfortunately lacks a bit in gameplay, but if you like lengthy novel-like games, you won't be disappointed.
Haven't played Fallout nor 2 which has been named quite a few times already.. maybe I should check up on that one.
Brutalisk
Profile Joined February 2007
794 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-16 08:35:18
June 16 2007 08:20 GMT
#73
On June 16 2007 16:21 Boblion wrote:


Hey Wurst...

@Zeto: I also like Nethack but I don't really consider it a RPG (just as Diablo). Nethack for me is some kind of difficult "puzzle game" because you really have to think about your situation, your items, and how to best advance.
FirstProbe
Profile Joined June 2004
1206 Posts
June 16 2007 08:23 GMT
#74
Nethack was so damn hard...
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-16 08:38:21
June 16 2007 08:36 GMT
#75
On June 16 2007 17:20 Brutalisk wrote:


Hey Wurst...

.


Sry man i'm the KING Wurst. ;D
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
atarianimo
Profile Joined June 2007
United States82 Posts
June 16 2007 08:37 GMT
#76
To me, FF7 is a little overrated and FF8 is a little underrated. I think my favorite RPG of all time was Chrono Trigger, but I haven't really played any of the "western" RPGs (aside from Fable and WC3 )
.kaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
1963 Posts
June 16 2007 10:18 GMT
#77
On June 16 2007 04:22 [IrIs]YellOw wrote:
What is the best RPG game ever in your opinon?

Mine is Star Ocean Till The End of Time. Also Kingdom Hearts, it is a shame that Final Remix didn't release in Europe...


Star Ocean: Second Story >>>>>>>>> Till the end of time
Sorry but it's the truth =/.
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Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
June 16 2007 11:24 GMT
#78
Xenogears. I enjoy FF games, Fallout, and Diablo 2 as well.
"Oh no, I got you with your pants... on your face... That's not how you wear pants." - Nintu, catching 1 hatch lurks.
gameguard
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Korea (South)2131 Posts
June 16 2007 12:26 GMT
#79
Anyone played Dark Sun: Shattered Lands?

I played that like a billion years ago and just restarted it. I found out that you can max all your stats when creating a char lol talk about imba.
gameguard
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Korea (South)2131 Posts
June 16 2007 12:29 GMT
#80
On June 16 2007 16:15 bumpirate wrote:
you dont know lineage? you dont know rpg.


Lineage was the shit during open beta. So much things to do on talking island lol. I was so damn happy when I tamed my first doberman. Then it died to some shelob later -_-
When a shelob appears its every man for himself lol. Those were the days.
cravy
Profile Joined October 2006
United States525 Posts
June 16 2007 13:06 GMT
#81
chrono trigger by far followed by fallout 2
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Hollow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Canada2180 Posts
June 16 2007 13:24 GMT
#82
secret of mana
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-16 13:33:32
June 16 2007 13:32 GMT
#83
I dont know if this counts as a "true" RPG
but...
I would say the whole Metal Gear Solid series
Still waiting for MGS4
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RebelHeart
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
New Zealand722 Posts
June 16 2007 18:48 GMT
#84
Legend of the Magi

it's fucking brilliant. choose out of five character classes, play together with your mates on UDP. requires a certain bit of strategy too, and you get experience points and buy the skills you want
"Love the Lord your God, and love your neighbour as you love yourself. If you do these things you're doing well" - Phil Joel
Sr18
Profile Joined April 2006
Netherlands1141 Posts
June 16 2007 20:34 GMT
#85
For PC;

Might & Magic 4/5, 6 and 7
Baldurs Gate series
Neverwinter Nights 2 (and maybe the second expansion of 1)

For consoles:
Chrono Trigger (SNES)
Final Fantasy 5 and 6 (SNES), 7/8/9 (PSX) and maybe 12 (PS2)
Star Ocean 2 (PSX) and Star Ocean 3 (PS2).

Not that these games are good for entirely different reasons. The Might and Magic series for instance sported a very bland and uninteresting story but had a large gameworld with freeform gaming. The Final Fantasy series sport very little freedom but generally have a well though out story with interesting characters and well written dialogues. The Star Ocean series have by far the best fighting and character developing-system and a great post-game to boot. The bioware games have a very detailed gameworld that will present you with a lot of difficult decision making.

As such, it's hard to really determine which game is "the best" as they are essentially games from different categories.
If it ain't Dutch, it ain't Park Yeong Min - CJ fighting!
VdP]DreaM
Profile Joined February 2004
720 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-16 22:35:13
June 16 2007 22:34 GMT
#86
It begins and ends with Suikoden I&II

Honorable mentions: Secret of Mana, FFVII, Chrono Trigger and Fallout.
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
June 16 2007 23:17 GMT
#87
On June 16 2007 14:57 FirstBorn wrote:
GOTHIC 2


and D2:LoD

my RPG culture is VERY limited though...
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
June 16 2007 23:34 GMT
#88
Pokemon all the way
HolyToss1911
Profile Joined May 2007
354 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-17 00:00:22
June 16 2007 23:58 GMT
#89
chrono trigger
FF 4,7,8,9

for pc oblivion IV was good
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 17 2007 00:01 GMT
#90
do they have ps emulator/roms now? I wanna play games like lunar or star ocean on it
mistapooh
Profile Joined March 2007
United States376 Posts
June 17 2007 00:42 GMT
#91
^Yeah, check out epsxe on google or torrents. 99% of the games will work too.

I just have to say...suikoden 2 was the favorite out of every game I play. It was the first game I cried in <_<.
LaSt)ChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States2179 Posts
June 17 2007 02:37 GMT
#92
On June 16 2007 05:36 Raidern wrote:
chrono trigger
Tyrio
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3248 Posts
June 17 2007 02:53 GMT
#93
Pokemon! Only up to Ruby/Sapphire though, when the pokemon were still (somewhat) fresh.

Haven't had the pleasure of playing that many RPGs =/
[NA] Tyrio.486 / Ahsh
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
June 17 2007 05:50 GMT
#94
Zelda - Ocarina of Time.
Ghin
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States2391 Posts
June 17 2007 05:50 GMT
#95
skies of arcadia!
Legalize drugs and murder.
ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2982 Posts
June 17 2007 06:12 GMT
#96
So many killers RPG out there

I would say either FF6 or Phantasy Star 2, then comes Valkyrie Profile and Xenogear
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper in a genius" Kang Min
ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2982 Posts
June 17 2007 06:16 GMT
#97
On June 17 2007 14:50 Ghin wrote:
skies of arcadia!


Fuck yeah dude nobody seems to know that game but back in the days it was killer !

The only thing I regret is that there was not too much things to unlock and discover, sidequests ect.. once you defeated the last boss.

The ships battle were so damn good and the characters were really catchy
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper in a genius" Kang Min
sOra
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada29 Posts
June 17 2007 07:33 GMT
#98
All final fantasy's>all
but other than that any squaresoft/square enix game
I will shine a light unto thee, until all those who live in darkness know my name
Zoan
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States53 Posts
June 17 2007 07:47 GMT
#99
Fallout, Fallout 2, and EarthBound.

^^;
Moo.
Orlandu
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
China2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-17 08:38:07
June 17 2007 08:36 GMT
#100
I definitely think FF6 (maybe 4 too?), Chrono Trigger, and Breath of Fire 1 and 2 are all up there. Lufia 2 was also really good, but I dunno about a contendor for the best. Suikoden was also very good, but again I dunno about the best. There's probably a bunch of other SNES games I'm missing too.

I think most people here missed out on the truly great RPG games from the SNES era and were spoiled by the PSX with games like FF7 and FF8 and such (mostly because a lot of people here are still pretty young). In my opinion, no game from the PSX or after can hope to qualify for the best RPG of all time. SNES was where it was at.
We cant give up just because things arent the way we want them to be.
Ruins
Profile Joined April 2007
141 Posts
June 17 2007 08:59 GMT
#101
On June 17 2007 17:36 Orlandu wrote:
I think most people here missed out on the truly great RPG games from the SNES era and were spoiled by the PSX with games like FF7 and FF8 and such (mostly because a lot of people here are still pretty young). In my opinion, no game from the PSX or after can hope to qualify for the best RPG of all time. SNES was where it was at.


QTF

I remember staying up for 48 hours straight playing Seiken Densetsu 3(Secret of Mana 2) on SNES. Awesome game play, and its a multiplayer action RPG on the console. FF5 and 6 were also very good for their time.

However, the "Best RPG of all Time" title has to go to Final Fantasy tactics for me (Super Robot Wars a close second). Awesome tactical RPG with difficulty and plenty of character customization. Plus, it actually has a decent storyline. Fantastic game.
Nothing is new. We just forget the old.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
June 17 2007 09:26 GMT
#102
I always feel Lufia 2 deserves a mention.
Best?
Perhaps not.
But worth playing.
Most definitely.
I always have fun when I go through that again.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
uidf
Profile Joined April 2004
Seychelles370 Posts
June 17 2007 11:02 GMT
#103
My personal favorite RPG is Kingdom Hearts. Im sad still with that they did with KHII. A good game also but i dont personally believe that it lived up to the standard of the first game =(
Orlandu
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
China2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-17 13:56:01
June 17 2007 13:54 GMT
#104
I liked Tactics a lot too, but I dunno if it can be considered a true RPG? I dunno, I guess that's debateable, but it's a good game either way.

And about Lufia 2, although it is an amazing game (with some surprisingly challenging puzzles at times), surprisingly not that many people seem to know about/have played it that I come across. I wonder why that is?


I'm always really surprised to see FF7 and FF8 on people's lists. I personally thought FF8 was pretty bad, kind of like FF7 but less original and less interesting. FF7 was a good game, but I think that so much of it's hype and what it's remembered for was that it was the first real RPG of the new generation back then, and it brought about a lot of new concepts, one of which being better graphics (which so many people seem to mistake for quality gameplay). I don't think in terms of actual storyline or gameplay though that it was anything too special or intriguing. I never had the feeling of going back and playing it twice, whereas there were countless SNES RPG's that I would play over and over again, and still sometimes do.

But I guess everyone has their own opinions, I just personally think there are a lot of good games that people missed out on when I hear FF7 and such being praised so highly.
We cant give up just because things arent the way we want them to be.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
June 17 2007 14:04 GMT
#105
Fallout 2

How many games allow you to become a boxer/martial artist/mobster/porn star who happens to be addicted to drugs, get gay married and sell his husband into slavery, has metal implants in his skin and who donates sperm?
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19135 Posts
June 17 2007 14:20 GMT
#106
On June 17 2007 23:04 Mindcrime wrote:
Fallout 2

How many games allow you to become a boxer/martial artist/mobster/porn star who happens to be addicted to drugs, get gay married and sell his husband into slavery, has metal implants in his skin and who donates sperm?
Hear hear
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Aerox
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Malaysia1213 Posts
June 17 2007 14:27 GMT
#107
I like FF7 too. Don't put it down because of the hype. It has great story. Only lacking was it was too ez. It's not that the FF series are unoriginal but many other RPGs were inspired from them (and therefore copied from them, not the other way round -.-).
FF8 has a good story too but the story telling technique is gets overly ambitious plus the draw battle system is boring and repetitive. The later FF series are just meh because nothing gets crazier or more powerful than a time travelling magically powered villain destroying the fabric of time and space. World destruction was already powerful enough with meteor in FF7. So they came up with Ultimecia and dump her in FF8.
All the later villains of the series were then sucky but they had to come up with something original hence the silly ambiguous endings. Every FF series have few things lacking preventing it from gaining a good all round high score in my book except for FF7. This does not include FFXI(MMO) and FFXII(not yet played).

LOL @ Mindcrime's post. True. True.
"Eyes in the sky."
BG1
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Canada1550 Posts
June 17 2007 15:13 GMT
#108
Baldur's Gate series followed by Morrowind.
There was once a dream that was Esports. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... Now is the time to make that dream a reality!
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
June 17 2007 16:53 GMT
#109
fav is d2, i found baldur's gate 2 quite boring actually ><(no offense to ppl)

and WC3 is a RPS(Role Playing Strategy) not RTS or RPG
morfyy
Profile Joined May 2007
Romania593 Posts
June 17 2007 17:07 GMT
#110
i don't know the best RPG game i know just the best RTS game (starcraft)
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
June 17 2007 17:21 GMT
#111
On June 17 2007 18:26 MYM.Testie wrote:
I always feel Lufia 2 deserves a mention.
Best?
Perhaps not.
But worth playing.
Most definitely.
I always have fun when I go through that again.


Oh god yes, thats my favorite SNES game (2nd would be Tales of Phantasia). Lufia II is so much fun, especially with the replay mode (4x gains), and especially with the Ancient Cave. On my last playthrough, I spent like 1/3 of my time in there just grabbing blue chest items.
Moonlight Shadow
.dragoon
Profile Joined May 2007
United States749 Posts
June 17 2007 17:49 GMT
#112
Deus Ex is the best rpg and best sp game on the pc.
If you can, then do. If I can, I will.
Jim
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden1965 Posts
June 17 2007 17:58 GMT
#113
I liked monkey island 1/2. A bit old for most here I guess but its quite challenging and fun.
To sup with the mighty ones, one must climb the path of daggers.
brambolius
Profile Joined January 2006
Netherlands448 Posts
June 17 2007 18:11 GMT
#114
ff6, chronotrigger, terranigma

all available as roms, use zsnes for emu
brambolius
Profile Joined January 2006
Netherlands448 Posts
June 17 2007 18:16 GMT
#115
btw i once had my game played through (lufia 2) and was doing the secret cave on my second playthrough,

got a bunch of blue items and was just generaly trying 2 get some everyday untill i could reach level 100.

then i come home one night and guess what....my sister saved over my game...

ye i was well pissed X(
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4843 Posts
June 17 2007 18:54 GMT
#116
On June 16 2007 06:01 lightman wrote:
Does Zelda qualify as RPG ? I think not right ? because if it does then it's Ocarina of time. If not then it's a triple tie between FF7, Chrono trigger and fallout

OoT is JUST godly, even if it may not be an RPG ;>
Complete the cycle!
Hans-Titan
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Denmark1711 Posts
June 17 2007 20:26 GMT
#117
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Trying is the first step towards failure, and hope is the first step towards disappointment!
Ghardo
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Germany1685 Posts
June 17 2007 20:49 GMT
#118
it's because games you played in a certain era of your youth you hold the most dearest. For me it's FF7.. i was like 10-12 back then and it flashed me completely.. others may have experienced that earlier with snes titles like chrono trigger, secret of mana.. whatev.. all subjective views.
iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
June 17 2007 20:51 GMT
#119
Planescape: Torment. Other good games that deserve a mention would be Fallout II, Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VI. But Torment is just a great great game.
It takes a fool to remain sane.
ReTrooper
Profile Joined February 2003
Germany526 Posts
June 17 2007 21:06 GMT
#120
I really loved Ambermoon (for Amiga) and Albion. Other great RPGs were BG1 & 2, Planescape Torment of course, Amberstar, M&M6, Gothic, NWN.
De omnibus dubitandum.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
June 17 2007 22:50 GMT
#121
On June 18 2007 03:16 brambolius wrote:
btw i once had my game played through (lufia 2) and was doing the secret cave on my second playthrough,

got a bunch of blue items and was just generaly trying 2 get some everyday untill i could reach level 100.

then i come home one night and guess what....my sister saved over my game...

ye i was well pissed X(


Ban her from life.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Imai_Eriko
Profile Joined January 2006
Singapore57 Posts
June 17 2007 23:30 GMT
#122
has anyone cried playing ff7?
HappyFeetO_O
Profile Joined June 2007
China350 Posts
June 17 2007 23:35 GMT
#123
On June 18 2007 08:30 Imai_Eriko wrote:
has anyone cried playing ff7?


No.
Bird sings why the caged I know
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
June 17 2007 23:58 GMT
#124
FF7 was a big jump, and when it came out it was definitely the best RPG of it's time.
It deserves to be on any list. Shouldn't really question it.
Playing through that the first time was just amazing and you couldn't put the game down.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
June 18 2007 01:01 GMT
#125
On June 18 2007 08:30 Imai_Eriko wrote:
has anyone cried playing ff7?


I did, when Red XIII was going to stay in his village but then he came back!! Aeris dying was sad too ... *tear*

Was there any touching parts in FF8? I haven't played it in so long. I probably cried during this game too actually rofl! ;P
Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
June 18 2007 01:35 GMT
#126
BG1&2
FF6&7
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