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On March 07 2017 00:15 ETisME wrote:
That would be a massive blow to all future switch games and I seriously hope there will still be some big titles for the switch and not full party games.
It's not going to be the same for every Switch game, they just need to not make every game work the system like Zelda does. Like I said, BotW pushing the system as hard as it does seems like an odd choice given that almost nobody who likes the game would like it less if the graphics were a little bit worse and the framerates a little higher.
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absolutely agree, PS4 pro is already doing something like this and everyone is happy
I guess they are concerned the 720p would look identical to the wii-u version.
turns out I was right when I said it will be an underpowered home console and poor portability handheld right when it was released.
should not have given into the hype 
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Count me in among the people who don't care about pushing graphics. I'm part of Nintendo's target market (I don't have any other console other than an old hand me down PS3 that's gathering dust) and I don't understand their reasoning for Zelda's frame drops. The graphics of Pokemon Sun/Moon is good enough for me.
The 3DS also had a nice niche in collectibles. $100-$200 is cheap enough that people are willing to buy extra consoles when pikachu editions and whatnot come out. Not to mention how often kids are going to drop the handheld necessitating another purchase.
In the end, electronics are all about software. I'm not a fan of everything I hear about the Switch but I will buy when there are enough exclusives that I want, though I will probably wait for a price drop for it.
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On March 07 2017 01:14 andrewlt wrote:
Not to mention how often kids are going to drop the handheld necessitating another purchase.
half the Skylanders revenue model is based around 10 year olds losing those stupid plastic figures
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"Watch out for that sword!" in Fireblight really cracked me up and reminded me of a classic:
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people expecting a tablet size gaming device based on mobile SoC without external cooling to be as strong as a dedicated cooled system is beyond me tbh.
Of course it was going to be underpowered compared to normal consoles.
Anyway, power doesnt really matter honestly as long as the support is there, sales seems to be pretty good so that should push 3rd developers to put their games on switch, besides a few developers, most of them dont really care about dropping settings if they can put their game in a device that can make them money
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On March 07 2017 05:06 Faruko wrote:
people expecting a tablet size gaming device based on mobile SoC without external cooling to be as strong as a dedicated cooled system is beyond me tbh.
Of course it was going to be underpowered compared to normal consoles.
Anyway, power doesnt really matter honestly as long as the support is there, sales seems to be pretty good so that should push 3rd developers to put their games on switch, besides a few developers, most of them dont really care about dropping settings if they can put their game in a device that can make them money
For people that care about the console war, nothing will be good enough unless it can grab the 3rd party multiplats, which the Switch probably won't be able to do.
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Console war is shit anyway, Wii never got any of the big multiplat and still destroyed the PS3 and XB360, and those stayed longer than the Wii in the game.
Its all about marketing and creating demand, the Wii didnt sold because of magic, there was a clear plan on what the wii wanted to be overall... The WiiU had terrible marketing, there were hardly any ads, nothing at all, nintendo mostly expected the WiiU to be sold based on the Wii success (which isnt a bad strategy per se, but it is by itself), i mean, Nintendo never gave a clear message of what it wanted the WiiU to be, im pretty sure a lot of people still dont know even by today.
Instead with the Switch, the message was clear right form the 2 minute, that 2 minute video reveal gave way more information about the console that the WiiU and all its games in like 4 years
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On March 07 2017 05:06 Faruko wrote:
people expecting a tablet size gaming device based on mobile SoC without external cooling to be as strong as a dedicated cooled system is beyond me tbh.
Of course it was going to be underpowered compared to normal consoles.
Anyway, power doesnt really matter honestly as long as the support is there, sales seems to be pretty good so that should push 3rd developers to put their games on switch, besides a few developers, most of them dont really care about dropping settings if they can put their game in a device that can make them money
You're completely missing/ignoring what people are saying about the game. Nintendo made a mistake in forcing the game to be played at 900p when it can barely handle 720p. It would have been better for Nintendo to downgrade the graphics in favor of better playability...you know, like every other Nintendo game that isn't a N64 Zelda.
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On March 07 2017 05:22 chocorush wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2017 05:06 Faruko wrote:
people expecting a tablet size gaming device based on mobile SoC without external cooling to be as strong as a dedicated cooled system is beyond me tbh.
Of course it was going to be underpowered compared to normal consoles.
Anyway, power doesnt really matter honestly as long as the support is there, sales seems to be pretty good so that should push 3rd developers to put their games on switch, besides a few developers, most of them dont really care about dropping settings if they can put their game in a device that can make them money You're completely missing/ignoring what people are saying about the game. Nintendo made a mistake in forcing the game to be played at 900p when it can barely handle 720p. It would have been better for Nintendo to downgrade the graphics in favor of better playability...you know, like every other Nintendo game that isn't a N64 Zelda.
turns out I was right when I said it will be an underpowered home console and poor portability handheld right when it was released. should not have given into the hype
I was talking about that NOT Zelda, i agree they should have dropped a few settings to give it a stable 30fps... maybe we will see a patch ? who knows
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On March 07 2017 05:09 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2017 05:06 Faruko wrote:
people expecting a tablet size gaming device based on mobile SoC without external cooling to be as strong as a dedicated cooled system is beyond me tbh.
Of course it was going to be underpowered compared to normal consoles.
Anyway, power doesnt really matter honestly as long as the support is there, sales seems to be pretty good so that should push 3rd developers to put their games on switch, besides a few developers, most of them dont really care about dropping settings if they can put their game in a device that can make them money For people that care about the console war, nothing will be good enough unless it can grab the 3rd party multiplats, which the Switch probably won't be able to do.
The console war is more about bragging rights than having something usable. Enthusiasts can be strange sometimes. It's a different target market than we are and I'm hoping Nintendo doesn't go after those guys.
The majority of consumers shouldn't care which PC-wannabe console is 2nd place on 3rd party multiplatform titles. I really don't get the people that have both a PS4 and an Xbox One and want the Switch to be more of the same. I guess some people like to throw their money around.
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You seem to have missed the point there. It's completely reasonable for people to be disappointed in something that is a hybrid of an underpowered gaming console, and a poorly designed portable device. Some people would rather have a handheld console specifically designed to be portable like the 3ds, or a fully featured home console, rather than something that doesn't fulfill either of those roles particularly well.
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The majority of consumers shouldn't care which PC-wannabe console is 2nd place on 3rd party multiplatform titles. I really don't get the people that have both a PS4 and an Xbox One and want the Switch to be more of the same. I guess some people like to throw their money around.
Maybe it's because of the terrible exclusive model of selling consoles. If the Switch was more of the same except you got to play Nintendo games, even hardcore Nintendo fans would probably be happy either way.
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On March 07 2017 05:36 chocorush wrote:You seem to have missed the point there. It's completely reasonable for people to be disappointed in something that is a hybrid of an underpowered gaming console, and a poorly designed portable device. Some people would rather have a handheld console specifically designed to be portable like the 3ds, or a fully featured home console, rather than something that doesn't fulfill either of those roles particularly well.
Edit: Show nested quote +The majority of consumers shouldn't care which PC-wannabe console is 2nd place on 3rd party multiplatform titles. I really don't get the people that have both a PS4 and an Xbox One and want the Switch to be more of the same. I guess some people like to throw their money around. Maybe it's because of the terrible exclusive model of selling consoles. If the Switch was more of the same except you got to play Nintendo games, even hardcore Nintendo fans would probably be happy either way.
2in1 Laptops want to have a word with you, 2in1 Laptops are bad tablets and decent laptops, yet they are the new hot property overall, everyone wants a piece of the píe
Nowadays EVERYTHING is based on the idea of doing everything, exclusive features or "dedicated" stuff is mostly no more.
Even Phones, they are getting bigger eating the phablet and even small tablet territory
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But it is unreasonable to dismiss people's preferences as mysteriously completely incomprehensible. People still want dedicated devices, and people that own the 3ds probably don't want it to be replaced by something with the form factor of the Switch.
I've had several hybrid devices since they started becoming more viable, and was myself an early adopter of the Surface Pro. Hybrids only work if they do all their necessary functions very well, unless you have a very specific need of a device that does everything half-assed. Otherwise they're just a royal pain to deal with, or end up getting half their functionality mostly unused. Just because something is trending doesn't mean that we're better off if every tech company blindly follows that trend without considering what the consumers actually need/want.
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the 3DS XL and the Switch are comparable in size. Nintendo has probably done 5,000 studies on how consumers view this new piece of hardware. i own a 3DS XL and i can easily see this thing replacing it.
They might make a new version of the Switch in 2 years at a lower price that is directly aimed at eliminating the 3DS.
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Starting to be grateful I wasn't able to preorder the first systems out. Joystick problems, bricking and so on. Guess I can wait a few months. Maybe Summer.
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On March 07 2017 05:34 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2017 05:09 Gahlo wrote:On March 07 2017 05:06 Faruko wrote:
people expecting a tablet size gaming device based on mobile SoC without external cooling to be as strong as a dedicated cooled system is beyond me tbh.
Of course it was going to be underpowered compared to normal consoles.
Anyway, power doesnt really matter honestly as long as the support is there, sales seems to be pretty good so that should push 3rd developers to put their games on switch, besides a few developers, most of them dont really care about dropping settings if they can put their game in a device that can make them money For people that care about the console war, nothing will be good enough unless it can grab the 3rd party multiplats, which the Switch probably won't be able to do. The console war is more about bragging rights than having something usable. Enthusiasts can be strange sometimes. It's a different target market than we are and I'm hoping Nintendo doesn't go after those guys. The majority of consumers shouldn't care which PC-wannabe console is 2nd place on 3rd party multiplatform titles. I really don't get the people that have both a PS4 and an Xbox One and want the Switch to be more of the same. I guess some people like to throw their money around.
That's because people don't have a PS4 and an XB1 unless they have a lot of disposable income. So in the end, they need to make a choice. That is what creates the console war. If it comes down to buying a console they check the boxes of "does it play all the multiplats" and "do I prefer their exclusives."
I've been of the mind for a long time that Nintendo products are a perfect companion piece for the general console buying public. Their 1st party stuff is top notch and since they skim on specs, they tend to have cheaper prices which makes buying a second platform more accessible. But people haven't been buying in that pattern for a long time so it isn't a prevailing thought. Now it's "The new Nintendo thing can't play multiplats? Well, that's one strike for that and now all those games are counted as exclusives against Nintendo."
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On March 07 2017 06:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
the 3DS XL and the Switch are comparable in size. Nintendo has probably done 5,000 studies on how consumers view this new piece of hardware. i own a 3DS XL and i can easily see this thing replacing it.
They might make a new version of the Switch in 2 years at a lower price that is directly aimed at eliminating the 3DS.
Are they really that comparable? The switch is about a foot long in size and doesn't collapse on itself like the 3DS. It's also pretty much just a long lever, so physics makes me inclined to not like it.
Then again, I'm an original 3ds user that upgraded to the regular new 3ds. Anything even bigger than the 3ds LL is kind of horrendous.
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On March 07 2017 06:41 chocorush wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2017 06:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
the 3DS XL and the Switch are comparable in size. Nintendo has probably done 5,000 studies on how consumers view this new piece of hardware. i own a 3DS XL and i can easily see this thing replacing it.
They might make a new version of the Switch in 2 years at a lower price that is directly aimed at eliminating the 3DS. Are they really that comparable? The switch is about a foot long in size and doesn't collapse on itself like the 3DS. It's also pretty much just a long lever, so physics makes me inclined to not like it. Then again, I'm an original 3ds user that upgraded to the regular new 3ds. Anything even bigger than the 3ds LL is kind of horrendous.
3DSXL: 8.5 x 1.8 x 5.2in, 1.1lbs
Switch: 9.4 x 0.55* x 4in, 0.88lbs
So it's about an inch longer, an inch shorter, and an inch slimmer, while weighing ~25% less.
*If you magically balance the Switch from the bottom of the ZL/R, the depth to the top of the sticks is 1.12in.
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Those numbers just don't look right for the 3DSXL. You also have to add in the extra 2 inches or so on the switch because you're probably attaching the controllers.
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