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On February 14 2019 17:58 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2019 12:58 Terranasaur wrote:On February 14 2019 02:40 Laurens wrote:
To whoever said Wii U only had Smash 4: Try Xenoblade Chronicles X man. So gooooddddd.
Doubt they'll ever port that one to Switch so hey, better pick up that Wii U and play it. This game is a top 5 all time video game for me. Hands down the best open world RPG I've ever played and that includes BotW. XenoX doesn't get near enough love. That game is a masterpiece. Yeah nothing comes close to how beautiful that world was. And then you can fly around that world in massive mechs?!? Loved it. Great direct imo. Hyped for Link's Awakening remake. It was my first ever Zelda game so this is pure nostalgia. Fire Emblem looks decent, Astral Chain could be good. And aren't we getting the new Pokemon game in 2019 too? Another good year for Switch?
Yep, supposedly this year we'll have a true Pokemon RPG coming out.
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Nothing that stood out for me in this direct. Fire Emblem still looks ugly but I'll play it. Astral Chain looked interesting.
Anyway at this point I believe I'm only ever interested in a specific small set of games and the average new game announcement will likely not fall in that set :D. Glad you guys are enthusiastic about these upcoming games.
There is a rumor floating around about a new Monster Hunter being announced for Switch in March. Now that... that has my full attention :D.
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Tetris BR is seriously addicting. I had not expected that.
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Tetris BR bringing out the (anxiety free) competitive in me. I love it
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Man, I feel so stupid for not just buying a switch on release.
I'm looking at buying one second hand, and they're hardly selling below MSRP, and all the games are still 75% of MSRP. Holds its value better than Apple products lol.
Ugh, I'll probably go out and just spend 800-1000CAD just getting everything I want this weekend.
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On February 16 2019 07:44 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Man, I feel so stupid for not just buying a switch on release.
I'm looking at buying one second hand, and they're hardly selling below MSRP, and all the games are still 75% of MSRP. Holds its value better than Apple products lol.
Ugh, I'll probably go out and just spend 800-1000CAD just getting everything I want this weekend.
Nintendo is terrible when it comes to waiting out prices. Their systems rarely drop and the games, especially first party, basically never. Because of this, sellers that have half a brain don't have to worry about getting rid of it for a sizeable loss.
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On February 16 2019 07:54 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2019 07:44 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Man, I feel so stupid for not just buying a switch on release.
I'm looking at buying one second hand, and they're hardly selling below MSRP, and all the games are still 75% of MSRP. Holds its value better than Apple products lol.
Ugh, I'll probably go out and just spend 800-1000CAD just getting everything I want this weekend. Nintendo is terrible when it comes to waiting out prices. Their systems rarely drop and the games, especially first party, basically never. Because of this, sellers that have half a brain don't have to worry about getting rid of it for a sizeable loss.
Yup, I would have been able to buy the switch 1.5 years ago, and 5 games, and sell them all today for a 100-150 dollar loss while getting lots of fun time.
I wasn't too familiar with how it worked, because I would just play Nintendo games at friends' houses, and I'd always stick to PC and PlayStation.
Doesn't help that I want all the expensive games now. Smash, Zelda, SMO, MK8, Splatoon 2, and Super Mario Party.
Then Donkey Kong, Mario + Rabbits, and Mario Tennis eventually too from what I've been researching.
Haven't looked at Indie games too much, but unless they're super super fun coop multiplayer games like Overcooked or Towerfall, I'd probably rather just get have them on the PC.
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Currently replaying BoTW. my god. still stunning and finding new things. srsly one of the best games ive EVER played.
this is coming from a non-zelda/console gamer.
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If they Majora's Mask it, the next Zelda is going to be stupid good.
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Next game is almost certainly gonna build on the stuff they made for BOTW, it'd be dumb not to
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On February 16 2019 15:33 Unleashing wrote:
Next game is almost certainly gonna build on the stuff they made for BOTW, it'd be dumb not to
i hope they don't forget to put the game part in their sandbox this time.
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theyre develping a botw sequel. they said they wanted to flesh out the world more. i dont mind this at all. also we can expect the graphics to be more stunning since they wont have wiiu in mind anymore.
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On February 17 2019 09:14 Emnjay808 wrote:
theyre develping a botw sequel. they said they wanted to flesh out the world more. i dont mind this at all. also we can expect the graphics to be more stunning since they wont have wiiu in mind anymore.
Hmmmm, depends how they go about it. BotW was pushing it already in quite a few areas which resulted in noticeable frame drops and low fps. I know most of these issues occurred while playing the game on a big screen, but I recall noticing some of this even while playing handheld.
Unless they break up the world more (more loading zones) I doubt there is much room to push the graphics much further.
Besides, chasing the “better graphics” monkey is a doomed endeavor anyways as the cost scaling is ludicrous for development. I’d much prefer development time/money be invested into story/gameplay than graphics.
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Weee, I went ahead and bought the switch. For anyone buying in Canada, around once a month or so, Shoppers Drug Mart has 20x PC Optimum Points days, which means you get 30% the value in points for what you purchased. The points can be redeemed at Superstore or Shopper's Drug Mart (which everyone in Canada should be using one of), so it's essentially 30% off. Smart way to get 30% off any game, anyway.
So far it's been amazing, just loaded up some Mario Kart, and everything is so polished. I'm so happy, like a little kid again haha. 
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On February 17 2019 13:53 FiWiFaKi wrote:Weee, I went ahead and bought the switch. For anyone buying in Canada, around once a month or so, Shoppers Drug Mart has 20x PC Optimum Points days, which means you get 30% the value in points for what you purchased. The points can be redeemed at Superstore or Shopper's Drug Mart (which everyone in Canada should be using one of), so it's essentially 30% off. Smart way to get 30% off any game, anyway. So far it's been amazing, just loaded up some Mario Kart, and everything is so polished. I'm so happy, like a little kid again haha.
I was going to do the same this Christmas but then the rumours of a new switch version killed it for me :/ not going to pull the trigger if in a couple of months my system will be outdated (the same happened with the 3ds XL I bought….spent so much time waiting to see if I would buy or not because the "NX" would probably come soon and "kill" the 3ds line….that when I bought it the Switch was announced T_T)
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On February 17 2019 19:08 KobraKay wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2019 13:53 FiWiFaKi wrote:Weee, I went ahead and bought the switch. For anyone buying in Canada, around once a month or so, Shoppers Drug Mart has 20x PC Optimum Points days, which means you get 30% the value in points for what you purchased. The points can be redeemed at Superstore or Shopper's Drug Mart (which everyone in Canada should be using one of), so it's essentially 30% off. Smart way to get 30% off any game, anyway. So far it's been amazing, just loaded up some Mario Kart, and everything is so polished. I'm so happy, like a little kid again haha. I was going to do the same this Christmas but then the rumours of a new switch version killed it for me :/ not going to pull the trigger if in a couple of months my system will be outdated (the same happened with the 3ds XL I bought….spent so much time waiting to see if I would buy or not because the "NX" would probably come soon and "kill" the 3ds line….that when I bought it the Switch was announced T_T)
The Wii U was the flagship for 5 years, and the Wii was for 6 years, every other single Nintendo console has at least a 5 year gap in between.
There will likely be a cheaper varient, probably more portable and some features missing... The thing that would interest me more is a more powerful version, which could come, but I wouldn't expect any big upgrades. The battery is 4300mAh, with the switch weighing 300g vs the Samsung Note 9 weighing 200g and a 4000mAh battery. I mean if they really wanted to, they could probably push the battery to 6000mAh in a similar package, but the cost would increase a fair bit.
The run time of the switch is fairly short as is, drawing around 8W during standard gaming mode, and 4300mAh*3.7V = 16Wh, so 2 hours of battery life. A decent USB PD standard power bank with the maximum legal airplane limit of 100Wh (26800mAh), and an efficiency of 60% results in 4 complete charges of the Switch. That's exactly 10 hours of play time of portable play time. I don't think the switch can afford to increase it's power usage anymore, in undocked mode anyway.
In docked mode the switch uses around 12W, which is around 10% of the PS4 and Xbox one during gaming. The switch already achieves around 0.8 Tflops of FP16, which for relative simple games that Nintendo makes is excellent. That is not too shabby, compared to the 1.3 and 1.8 of the XB1 and PS4 (that's FP32, but Nintendo games can run 90%+ of their instructions in FP16). Xbox one X has 6TFlops, but this is straight up a modern PC gaming GPU with gaming GPU requirements. 150W for 6TFlops of FP32 vs 10W for 0.4TFlops, it's pretty on par. For reference the best consumer GPU is 13.4Tflops for a $1000 price point (and that's just for the GPU, not the whole APU).
Some people seem to have this idea that Switch cheaped out on the hardware, but they straight up went with literally the best hardware on the market for its use case (2 years before switch release so everything could be designed for it). At this point, we could see a fairly minor 50% performance improvement in performance if the switch went with a Tegra x2, since it's a 16nm process rather than 20nm, with some small architectural improvements. Unless they actually go the Xavier route (maybe 80% performance increase with same power, and in docked mode it's tough to say, it could even be 3x the performance, but they'd need a better cooling solution, so more sound, heat, and cost) and then the Switch price tag will go up quite a bit. I don't think Nintendo or customers values that performance bump. There's no way Nintendo would switch to Qualcomm for a hardware refresh, so that's out of the question.
I also think that the switch will definitely stay 720p, running 720p games on a 1080p display is a big no-no. The rational person in me says we might see a 40% performance increase, with all same resolutions, just patching up the frame rates in certain applications, a 15-20% battery improvement, and a marginally better screen and larger screen with smaller bezels.
Anyway, very long drawn out post, sorry. All this to say is that I don't think the technological jump for any revision will be massive if we do see it. And that's if we see it, I think there's a good chance it stays how it is, and emphasis will be on a lower cost version.
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Yeah but somehow people were thinking the switch would go the ds route of versions. DS was bringing out new models every 2 years I believe?
Its so funny how people want to see things. Switch is Nintendo's new console, not their new handheld.
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There's also the issue that the PS4 Pro and XBox One X have where they have to justify buying themselves over the base version of the system.
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On February 18 2019 04:39 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2019 19:08 KobraKay wrote:On February 17 2019 13:53 FiWiFaKi wrote:Weee, I went ahead and bought the switch. For anyone buying in Canada, around once a month or so, Shoppers Drug Mart has 20x PC Optimum Points days, which means you get 30% the value in points for what you purchased. The points can be redeemed at Superstore or Shopper's Drug Mart (which everyone in Canada should be using one of), so it's essentially 30% off. Smart way to get 30% off any game, anyway. So far it's been amazing, just loaded up some Mario Kart, and everything is so polished. I'm so happy, like a little kid again haha. I was going to do the same this Christmas but then the rumours of a new switch version killed it for me :/ not going to pull the trigger if in a couple of months my system will be outdated (the same happened with the 3ds XL I bought….spent so much time waiting to see if I would buy or not because the "NX" would probably come soon and "kill" the 3ds line….that when I bought it the Switch was announced T_T) The Wii U was the flagship for 5 years, and the Wii was for 6 years, every other single Nintendo console has at least a 5 year gap in between. There will likely be a cheaper varient, probably more portable and some features missing... The thing that would interest me more is a more powerful version, which could come, but I wouldn't expect any big upgrades. The battery is 4300mAh, with the switch weighing 300g vs the Samsung Note 9 weighing 200g and a 4000mAh battery. I mean if they really wanted to, they could probably push the battery to 6000mAh in a similar package, but the cost would increase a fair bit. The run time of the switch is fairly short as is, drawing around 8W during standard gaming mode, and 4300mAh*3.7V = 16Wh, so 2 hours of battery life. A decent USB PD standard power bank with the maximum legal airplane limit of 100Wh (26800mAh), and an efficiency of 60% results in 4 complete charges of the Switch. That's exactly 10 hours of play time of portable play time. I don't think the switch can afford to increase it's power usage anymore, in undocked mode anyway. In docked mode the switch uses around 12W, which is around 10% of the PS4 and Xbox one during gaming. The switch already achieves around 0.8 Tflops of FP16, which for relative simple games that Nintendo makes is excellent. That is not too shabby, compared to the 1.3 and 1.8 of the XB1 and PS4 (that's FP32, but Nintendo games can run 90%+ of their instructions in FP16). Xbox one X has 6TFlops, but this is straight up a modern PC gaming GPU with gaming GPU requirements. 150W for 6TFlops of FP32 vs 10W for 0.4TFlops, it's pretty on par. For reference the best consumer GPU is 13.4Tflops for a $1000 price point (and that's just for the GPU, not the whole APU). Some people seem to have this idea that Switch cheaped out on the hardware, but they straight up went with literally the best hardware on the market for its use case (2 years before switch release so everything could be designed for it). At this point, we could see a fairly minor 50% performance improvement in performance if the switch went with a Tegra x2, since it's a 16nm process rather than 20nm, with some small architectural improvements. Unless they actually go the Xavier route (maybe 80% performance increase with same power, and in docked mode it's tough to say, it could even be 3x the performance, but they'd need a better cooling solution, so more sound, heat, and cost) and then the Switch price tag will go up quite a bit. I don't think Nintendo or customers values that performance bump. There's no way Nintendo would switch to Qualcomm for a hardware refresh, so that's out of the question. I also think that the switch will definitely stay 720p, running 720p games on a 1080p display is a big no-no. The rational person in me says we might see a 40% performance increase, with all same resolutions, just patching up the frame rates in certain applications, a 15-20% battery improvement, and a marginally better screen and larger screen with smaller bezels. Anyway, very long drawn out post, sorry. All this to say is that I don't think the technological jump for any revision will be massive if we do see it. And that's if we see it, I think there's a good chance it stays how it is, and emphasis will be on a lower cost version.
Thank you for a very detailed post.
This is clearly out of my league analysis so I thank you for making this clear enough that I could follow and reach the conclusion that even if the rumour of the summer 2019 improved switch would turn out to be true, either the price would by very high, or the imrpovement would be marginal, thus making the current switch a nice buy regardless.
Did I get that right?
I've never had a console post NES when I was 4 (i'm going to turn 30 soon, god I feel old now) and the abovementioned 3ds XL for which I only bought a couple of games because I always felt that sooner or later I would cave and buy a switch, so the comparison to previous flagship systems from Nintendo or even Sony/MS hardware was very helpful.
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On February 18 2019 04:50 sharkie wrote:
Yeah but somehow people were thinking the switch would go the ds route of versions. DS was bringing out new models every 2 years I believe?
But most of the models were not functional upgrades and did not obsolete previous models. For example, the DS Lite is not a functional upgrade over the base DS in any way--it doesn't sport better hardware in any way or play any games the base DS cannot.
Actual functionally improved models were spaced every 4 years--DS to DSi to 3DS to New 3DS. Plus the functional improvements of the DSi and New 3DS lines were very minor and largely didn't matter.
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