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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On June 14 2016 03:15 Clonester wrote: His stance on pro cheating will make him the prophet who destroys the game. it has to happen. speaking of that, this one guy PM'ed me this long diatribe right after mlg columbus asking us to do investigation into the cheating scene... | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On June 14 2016 03:18 amazingxkcd wrote: it has to happen. speaking of that, this one guy PM'ed me this long diatribe right after mlg columbus asking us to do investigation into the cheating scene... And, did you? I am expecting arround 20% of the current pros to cheat (or even more) and would love to know where we stand and where we go. Now that TL did speak out JDM-Koosta, yee_lmao1 offical prophet? | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 14 2016 03:18 amazingxkcd wrote: it has to happen. speaking of that, this one guy PM'ed me this long diatribe right after mlg columbus asking us to do investigation into the cheating scene... Was it the same guy who went around posting the shit from HLTV? On June 14 2016 03:27 Clonester wrote: And, did you? I am expecting arround 20% of the current pros to cheat (or even more) and would love to know where we stand and where we go. Is this just a hunch ? You know you cant just investigate shit out of thin air, there has to be something suspicious to investigate in the first place. On these shuffles, I dont know, Pimp isnt exactly a game breaking upgrade. Im not sure how this is supposed to help. JDM is better than Koosta I guess but none of these changes are particularly exciting. The potential upside isnt particularly impressive on either. But lets see. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On June 14 2016 03:27 Clonester wrote: And, did you? I am expecting arround 20% of the current pros to cheat (or even more) and would love to know where we stand and where we go. Now that TL did speak out JDM-Koosta, yee_lmao1 offical prophet? i told him im no investigative journalist and i have no contacts with anyone in the scene. we're just pundits/columnists at best. ye it was that hltv shitposter. Even if i did have info, i wouldnt be writing about it, i would have given it to Richard Lewis or Wolf | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On June 14 2016 04:23 Rebs wrote: Was it the same guy who went around posting the shit from HLTV? Is this just a hunch ? You know you cant just investigate shit out of thin air, there has to be something suspicious to investigate in the first place. On these shuffles, I dont know, Pimp isnt exactly a game breaking upgrade. Im not sure how this is supposed to help. JDM is better than Koosta I guess but none of these changes are particularly exciting. The potential upside isnt particularly impressive on either. But lets see. There is so much suspicious in CS:GO pro Scene You can start with all the players who vanished their invetory right after KQLY got banned, remember remember Kio. Going over to the rise of the "sick plays", we now get fed with day after day by all sorts of players (who have been nonamers before for years) or never showed this set of skills. And then we finish this off with the extreme bad anti cheat departments of not only the developer, but also the League and Tournament hoster online as offline (smartphone on desk, installing own config by downloading it, warming up on different servers, one admin watching 5 players at the same time set up, list goes on, not to talk about online leagues and hacks). But this would derail this thread and yeah, aslong there is no proof, there is no hacks, like alot of people want to say. But if this would be 1.6, we would have enough proof, because VAC wasnt our prove, brains and demos have been the proof in that time. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 14 2016 04:51 Clonester wrote: There is so much suspicious in CS:GO pro Scene You can start with all the players who vanished their invetory right after KQLY got banned, remember remember Kio. Going over to the rise of the "sick plays", we now get fed with day after day by all sorts of players (who have been nonamers before for years) or never showed this set of skills. And then we finish this off with the extreme bad anti cheat departments of not only the developer, but also the League and Tournament hoster online as offline (smartphone on desk, installing own config by downloading it, warming up on different servers, one admin watching 5 players at the same time set up, list goes on, not to talk about online leagues and hacks). But this would derail this thread and yeah, aslong there is no proof, there is no hacks, like alot of people want to say. But if this would be 1.6, we would have enough proof, because VAC wasnt our prove, brains and demos have been the proof in that time. I would be very very surprised if people are tampering with lan machines with their smartphones. Again you have zero proof of this stuff, Im not saying it doesnt happen but this is all HLTV.org talk sorry. It doenst matter if its 1 guy or one eye. You will get caught at some point. + Show Spoiler + As for the online and sick plays stuff. People improve its pretty normal. And at the end of the day you can still watch demos, no one is stopping you. Thats what Overwatch does right, so its not like the ability to watch demos is being ignored? Ill make you a deal, You find something suspicious. Give me an example of a game and I ll watch it and if there is something I find suspicious I will push the issue myself and see where it goes. I suspect I wont find anything though. Just a hunch. Im not saying hacks dont exist. But at the pro level by and large people who cheat tend to get caught. And I just cant believe the Lan argument. You are giving big tournament organizers too little credit. Real bullshit is what xkcd is talking about. What you are talking about is hard to take seriously sorry. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
"You have no proof of doping in the tour de france" "You have no proof of matchfixing by IBP" The proof you want is a VAC ban. Something that does not exist. You are demanding a impossible proof while sweeping away all the evidence, hints and happenings. Why should pro Players tend to get caught. By what? What is there to get the caught. The most striking POVs are not enough to get them caught because people are saying "no vac no cheat", so what can be there to catch pros cheating? Outside of stupidity like clearing your inventory in panic the same day KQLY gets banned? And even that wasnt enough. Remember Dukii and his cheater friends playing in ESEA Premiere? I cant believe the LAN argument, when KQLY has cheated on lans. (Even when people still say he didnt). Do you watch the pros set up? The things I stated are facts: Own equipment. Own configs downloaded via Steam out of the steamcloud. Own servers to warmup. Smartphones on desks (rewatch twitterfeed of players at D.H. Austin, where players tweeted during matches, after matches and between individuel maps in Bo3s. See TACO loading his phone on desk connected to the PC he is playing on stream. Only one Admin per player. I know 4 ways to increase the cheat security on lan by a extreme wide margin, but nobody likes that to do, because work and money. XKCD is right, when it comes to the industry. The scene will be dead, when pro cheating will be made public, the income from CS:GO will go down from 200 Millions to a much smaller number, the Eventmakers live from a healthy CS:GO scene, old players step up as analyst and coach instead of leaving, players also have no reason to do so. CS:GO lost 1/4 of its monthly playerbase in the last 6 month, from over 800.000 to over 600.000 players. This game is suffering from only one big thing: Cheats, in daily matchmaking as well as on the big stages. We dont have to talk about it, keep the dirt under the cover, but it is there. And it is big. + Show Spoiler + And just for you one of the oldest things the have: The best wallbang ever. Thanks to the louse mapmaking of Cache, the ESP bugs there and has allready hit some proplayers, here is for example Flusha. Hint: Turn the sound off, because it gives you cancer. Oh and if you think the maker of the video has no Ideas, he is the 20 RWS wonder who went for 30 RWS and finally got manually banned on ESEA. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
OLOF IS BACK, playing ELEAGUE | ||
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Dantak
Czech Republic648 Posts
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
Why would he just join today twitter and name his account "@liquidkoosta". Obvious a troll/fake The real koosta account: https://twitter.com/CLGkoosta | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 14 2016 05:40 Clonester wrote: "You have no proof there is matchfixing in ProLeauge" "You have no proof of doping in the tour de france" "You have no proof of matchfixing by IBP" The proof you want is a VAC ban. Something that does not exist. You are demanding a impossible proof while sweeping away all the evidence, hints and happenings. Why should pro Players tend to get caught. By what? What is there to get the caught. The most striking POVs are not enough to get them caught because people are saying "no vac no cheat", so what can be there to catch pros cheating? Outside of stupidity like clearing your inventory in panic the same day KQLY gets banned? And even that wasnt enough. Remember Dukii and his cheater friends playing in ESEA Premiere? I cant believe the LAN argument, when KQLY has cheated on lans. (Even when people still say he didnt). Do you watch the pros set up? The things I stated are facts: Own equipment. Own configs downloaded via Steam out of the steamcloud. Own servers to warmup. Smartphones on desks (rewatch twitterfeed of players at D.H. Austin, where players tweeted during matches, after matches and between individuel maps in Bo3s. See TACO loading his phone on desk connected to the PC he is playing on stream. Only one Admin per player. I know 4 ways to increase the cheat security on lan by a extreme wide margin, but nobody likes that to do, because work and money. XKCD is right, when it comes to the industry. The scene will be dead, when pro cheating will be made public, the income from CS:GO will go down from 200 Millions to a much smaller number, the Eventmakers live from a healthy CS:GO scene, old players step up as analyst and coach instead of leaving, players also have no reason to do so. CS:GO lost 1/4 of its monthly playerbase in the last 6 month, from over 800.000 to over 600.000 players. This game is suffering from only one big thing: Cheats, in daily matchmaking as well as on the big stages. We dont have to talk about it, keep the dirt under the cover, but it is there. And it is big. + Show Spoiler + And just for you one of the oldest things the have: The best wallbang ever. Thanks to the louse mapmaking of Cache, the ESP bugs there and has allready hit some proplayers, here is for example Flusha. Hint: Turn the sound off, because it gives you cancer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_rUvnuOWBc Oh and if you think the maker of the video has no Ideas, he is the 20 RWS wonder who went for 30 RWS and finally got manually banned on ESEA. + Show Spoiler + VAC is meaningless to me, I dont know how it works and I dont care. Im not saying it isnt a problem in online play or mm or whatever. But I dont see it as being a problem on lan and Ive been watching this game since like 2003 and sure hacks might have become more advanced and stuff. Im not saying its not a problem but when you say "20 percent of pro players hack that is a very bold statement and you need to back it up. VAC or no VAC. What are these "striking POV's" I would certainly like to see them. You know if someone fucked with the games registry that easy to track right ? I dont think you have much experience with a lan environment. I probably had like over 10,000 lan hours back in 1.6 and played quite a bit competitively. People are paying enough attention that you will get caught if you do it on lan. Honeslty I dont want to address this to much because its just one big whine that does nothing to address that pro players are hacking on lan, let alone 20 percent of them. Most of the things you are talking you are translating off your personal MM experience and looking for excuses to justify them through the pro scene. Take this whine back to the qq thread. Thats what it is for. You dont prove a point about pro players hacking with reckless abandon per your suggestion by pointing out issues in matchmaking and VAC and shit. Im not asking you to prove to me that hacking is a problem online. I accept that. I am asking you to show me evidence of hacking on lan by pro players. | ||
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Dantak
Czech Republic648 Posts
On June 14 2016 05:51 Clonester wrote: This twitteraccount is brand new, "fuck liquid" is his first post ever. Why would he just join today twitter and name his account "@liquidkoosta". Obvious a troll/fake The real koosta account: https://twitter.com/CLGkoosta Nooo, my bad, sry | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On June 14 2016 05:40 Clonester wrote: Own equipment. Own configs downloaded via Steam out of the steamcloud. Own servers to warmup. Smartphones on desks (rewatch twitterfeed of players at D.H. Austin, where players tweeted during matches, after matches and between individuel maps in Bo3s. See TACO loading his phone on desk connected to the PC he is playing on stream. Only one Admin per player. I know 4 ways to increase the cheat security on lan by a extreme wide margin, but nobody likes that to do, because work and money. Some of these situations are actually not always possible . Some tournaments organizers remove phones before the actual games + Show Spoiler +. I've seen a few tournaments where the players actually have to upload their config somewhere and these are installed on the computer they play afterwards (which mean they don't have full control over it). ESL release the replay (GOTV demos) of the matches, meaning anyone can go and check these if they want to. So yeah, I think you're underestimating what tournament organizers actually do in that domain. I'd really like messioso to detail a bit more what's actually done on that matter. Because there's probably more than meets the eyes (unless you have yourself an experience with organising this kind of LANs). | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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Genjimaru
Canada515 Posts
Most of the things you are talking you are translating off your personal MM experience and looking for excuses to justify them through the pro scene. Take this whine back to the qq thread. Thats what it is for. I don't get why you make it personal, nothing he says even remotely says he's talking about mm. I'm not for or against the witch hunt, but I think even if there was misconduct that if the people that do it really wanted to, it would be so subtle that none of us would even notice. I'm pretty sure people like Ko1n said you don't even need to alter the registry. Don't quote me on it cause I couldn't find it. Just recalling off the top of my head. Correct me if I'm wrong. | ||
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HugoBallzak
700 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 15 2016 12:28 Genjimaru wrote: + Show Spoiler + Most of the things you are talking you are translating off your personal MM experience and looking for excuses to justify them through the pro scene. Take this whine back to the qq thread. Thats what it is for. I don't get why you make it personal, nothing he says even remotely says he's talking about mm. I'm not for or against the witch hunt, but I think even if there was misconduct that if the people that do it really wanted to, it would be so subtle that none of us would even notice. I'm pretty sure people like Ko1n said you don't even need to alter the registry. Don't quote me on it cause I couldn't find it. Just recalling off the top of my head. Correct me if I'm wrong. There is context, see his other posts in other threads. I didnt just make it up. I have no problem with not considering VAC bans the end all and be all. Im oldschool so demo review is fine for me. But the problem is I dont see anyone doing demo reviews either. You cant say VAC sux and call out a supossedly viable alternative and then proceed to do nothing about it. And online cheating has always been a thing I dont care. But I consider it rather unlikely to be a thing on lan and thats a problem for me if its true. For that I would need more proof than, only 1 guy standing behind and phone connected to pc LOLZ. Besides, this is a shuffle thread not a cheating thread. You can make a cheating thread and talk about it there all you want. | ||
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Genjimaru
Canada515 Posts
On June 15 2016 22:34 Rebs wrote: There is context, see his other posts in other threads. I didnt just make it up. I have no problem with not considering VAC bans the end all and be all. Im oldschool so demo review is fine for me. But the problem is I dont see anyone doing demo reviews either. You cant say VAC sux and call out a supossedly viable alternative and then proceed to do nothing about it. And online cheating has always been a thing I dont care. But I consider it rather unlikely to be a thing on lan and thats a problem for me if its true. For that I would need more proof than, only 1 guy standing behind and phone connected to pc LOLZ. Besides, this is a shuffle thread not a cheating thread. You can make a cheating thread and talk about it there all you want. Fair enough, I didn't see the other posts. My bad bro. | ||
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