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On January 31 2007 20:20 Mirage wrote:
Why wouldn't you put one point into valk..... thats the meat of a zon a shield if you will.....If you PvM you NEED atleast 10 in here by 90.....
I would need 1 point in slow missle, 1 point in clone (whatever the fuck its called), and 1 point in Valk just to have valk. Thats 3 points I don't wanna waste.
On February 01 2007 13:25 KOFgokuon wrote:Here's the base requirements for the exceptional bows http://www.diabloii.net/items/weapons/bows-excep.shtmlEither aim for a gothic bow or a rune bow. Rune bows have a faster base speed so u won't need as much ias to lower your frames per shot ratio, and require less str. Gothic bows just have the best base damage. You can find socketed ones, but the stuff you can put into sockets in regular diabloii really aren't worth it. you can always find magical stuff that's way better than anything with sockets I forget the list of prefixes for regular diablo ii, but there may be a jeweler's prefix/suffix that will allow you to put stuff into a magical bow. If you have a lot of perfect gems, what you can do is place your magical (blue) bow into your horadric cube with 3 perfect gems and transmute. You'll get a new magical bow with new properties. If you have a surplus, this is a nice way to try to get a bow with some good stats. Make sure the bow is a bow with decent base damage though (again, rune bow / gothic bow are the best bets)
I thought you needed 6 P.Skulls and a superior Item to transmute? The bad thing about this though is that you can't fit a gothic bow into that combination, only a rune bow.
So with the maximum of the attribute - % to REQ what is the least amount of STR I will need for a gothic bow? (its 95 STR normally)
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On February 02 2007 18:45 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2007 20:20 Mirage wrote:
Why wouldn't you put one point into valk..... thats the meat of a zon a shield if you will.....If you PvM you NEED atleast 10 in here by 90..... I would need 1 point in slow missle, 1 point in clone (whatever the fuck its called), and 1 point in Valk just to have valk. Thats 3 points I don't wanna waste.
3 points to never get hit again isnt a waste
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I think the 6 pskulls is only for rare items
3 Perfect gems works with magic items
http://www.diabloii.net/items/horadric-d2.shtml
If you can find a -40% req rare gothic bow, technically you'll need around 58-60 str (i don't feel like getting my calculator) but chances of that are pretty slim. Realistically, if you're that worried about str, go for an bow with lower requirements and a faster base speed. rune bow looks like the best ratio of average damage and str requirements.
If you have enough pskulls and u find a rare rune bow, don't hesitate to try to transmute something good. You'll probably be looking for at least 100-150% enchanced damage with some +stats or some ias, but the primary thing you should be looking for is damage
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On February 01 2007 11:54 CharlieMurphy wrote:
So far no one has really answered my questions .
very fast attack speed, high damage, +2 amazon skills, life/mana steal, cold damage, enhanced damage, enhanced speed, + attack rating, Negative requirements?
What would a Gothic Bow like that require for strength? (thanks KOFgokuon )
Whats the best attributes I can hope for for any of the requirements I want?
How long should I farm EXP and Items here in the river of flame before I should move on to hell?
What does a typical Bowazon-Guided/Multishot build look like?
What is the best base type Bow with sockets in it that I can put my perfect skulls into? Is there socketed gothic bows?
Hmm if i remember correctly, the gothic bow covering your features requires around 45 STR.
that is with the maximum neg req. which is -40 req.
peace out happy d2ing.
btw its a great game and time consuming.
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On February 02 2007 18:52 Ghin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2007 18:45 CharlieMurphy wrote:On January 31 2007 20:20 Mirage wrote:
Why wouldn't you put one point into valk..... thats the meat of a zon a shield if you will.....If you PvM you NEED atleast 10 in here by 90..... I would need 1 point in slow missle, 1 point in clone (whatever the fuck its called), and 1 point in Valk just to have valk. Thats 3 points I don't wanna waste. 3 points to never get hit again isnt a waste
I would rather have 5-6% more crit and micro to never get hit than get some golden whore to hide behind.
On February 02 2007 20:05 poppa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2007 11:54 CharlieMurphy wrote:
So far no one has really answered my questions .
very fast attack speed, high damage, +2 amazon skills, life/mana steal, cold damage, enhanced damage, enhanced speed, + attack rating, Negative requirements?
What would a Gothic Bow like that require for strength? (thanks KOFgokuon )
Whats the best attributes I can hope for for any of the requirements I want?
How long should I farm EXP and Items here in the river of flame before I should move on to hell?
What does a typical Bowazon-Guided/Multishot build look like?
What is the best base type Bow with sockets in it that I can put my perfect skulls into? Is there socketed gothic bows? Hmm if i remember correctly, the gothic bow covering your features requires around 45 STR. that is with the maximum neg req. which is -40 req. peace out happy d2ing. btw its a great game and time consuming.
45 ! Thats it ! damn I already put too much into STR ! T_T
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You'll have a hard time finding a -40% bow with other stats that are good
And with a -40% gothic bow you'll need 58 str, not 45
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ok, 58 sounds more like it. How much do Gothic Bows cost to gamble for? Can you even gamble for one? Does MF% effect gambling? Does my Character level effect the attributes on gothic bows? Whats the maximum base damage you can get for a gothic bow, 120?
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i think in original you can still gamble for uniques
go look up some sweet shit you can do before the patches
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On February 04 2007 17:25 Yogurt wrote:
i think in original you can still gamble for uniques
go look up some sweet shit you can do before the patches
Yea I've gotten most the uniques I wanted from gambling. I still haven't found Eye of Etlich, Nagel, Manald, SoJ, or the IAS belt. I'm starting to think they aren't in this version yet.
Also is it true that you need Nagel and Manald before you can gamble for an SoJ ?
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i dont think its required but i do think it severely increases your chances
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In the first versions you have to have both the other rings IN YOUR INVENTORY or you can't get a SoJ.
A viable skill build for 1.0 is pumping 20 points into a main battle skill(for example: strafe or guided arrow) and the rest into anything you like. You will be able to beat hell difficulty.
Duriel is the hardest boss for heroes with low hp/reliant on range attacks, so nothing unexpected there. You also probably were low level when you faced him.
You should start Hell difficulty after level 60, IIRC the lowest level monsters on hell were 66, so you'll have to be within 5 levels to gain maximum experience.
Also, when you're not playing on closed battle.net with 2 computers you could dupe an infinite amount of anything by simply making the character files of one hero read only and strip him from the items you want, after that he'll have them again and you could repeat as much as you want, just don't forget to remove it when playing again with him 
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You can have the rings in your stash too. Also the order of amulets goes Nokozan Relic (lol Karin Colenzo lol) -> Eye of Etlich -> Mahim-Oak Curio. From what I remember the thing to do in 1.0 was to just go for +skills. This means Tarnhelm, Silks of the Victor, etc. It's all about Multishot for Amazons too. Get a mana leech ring and go nuts with Multishot. For Duriel there's not a whole lot you can do except continuously hire Mercenaries and use them as cannon fodder while you slowly whittle him down with stuff like Immolation Arrow. You will die many times and lose a lot of gold against him. Accept this as an inevitability =)
I'm assuming you intend to cheat as time goes on, so...
Once you get a Superior Gothic Bow in Nightmare save the game and copy your character file (.d2s) to another folder. Use up your Imbue and if it sucks, copy your character file back and overwrite. Continue until you get a really good Rare.
The same thing can be used with multiple computers in the way lololol described, just connect via LAN, back up the joining character's .d2s file, then continuously drop gold and copy the character file back. (Using Read-Only is a nice timesaver, good tip) Gambling money for all =]
EDIT: One thing I did with my Amazon that just ripped shit up well into Nightmare difficulty was Rattlecage + Strafe. Constantly fearing monsters means none of them hit you = free damage, Strafe is also cheap and with mana leech you can use it forever.
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On January 31 2007 14:45 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2007 14:44 KOFgokuon wrote:
Um, fighting bosses like duriel is the reason you get decoy or valkyrie
You can't tank
You really need to build your merc up if you're trying to go without decoy and valkyrie
I agree with him, i don't see how you haven't found someting more useful than a 6-39 damage bow. You can buy bows with better base damage than that I like a challenge though, I want to beat the game without getting those skills at all. Like I said this isn't LOD you don't get to equip mercs or take them through acts. THIS IS THE FIRST VERSION OF THE GAME, PRE-EXPANSION, NON BATTLE.NET, SINGLE PLAYER. I never liked LOD its the reason I quit playing the game in the first place. It totally newbed out the game. Act 5 is a joke (gain 5 levels from that statue boss fight is ridiculous). All the new uniques and shit do outrageous damage. Runes and jewels are stupid. Back in the day I was a carrion song bow wielding, Skull Grasp(now known as havoc spiral) ring toting, PKer.
Carrion song was shit compared to Ghoul Stinger, and the ring was originally Raven Spiral TT;;
I want LoD to restart it's ladder so I can play again (the fun way) from the beginning with everyone else. Last time I was stupid and got my key banned for MH about a week into the ladder (my crew was doing very well) and didn't get unbanned for like 60 days, and still my account was deleted anyway. From then on I was way behind my friends, and eventually caught up with their help (this was a few days after the first ubers were dead) so we started running keys. The first time was good, although it took too long with bad smiter gear and me being a boner -_-;; But we had to go with that because our other best player was too busy to play anymore.
Anyway, the second time we ran it, I had a nigma on my boner by then, and used the strength trick to use it. Well, I forgot ALL about the strength bug, and I died setting up a tp for uber Andy. My pally friend started killing, bla bla bla, I died again. When I pick up my body, I have nothing in it (except boots I think). So we chat on teamspeak for like 10 minutes trying to figure out wtf happened. It turns out the strength bug fucked my corpse (I had to say it) and all I had left was the gold and boots.
After that, I gave away my account, and sold my PnB charms on ebay, then quit. It was pretty sad because we were very rich compared to most of the other west players. 
Another story (not really sad, but made me very angry) was when I was running some closed baal runs. Well, I wasn't too familiar with the people in the game, so I was sitting near baal ready to click the hell out of the drops. So he dies, I pick up every item but 2, and RIGHT after I realized what I missed, I hear some kid saying:
OMFG YES TAL ARMOR OMFGGG GFGGMOMFGG
this was when the armor was still very very expensive TT;;
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I played the shit out of LoD... I'm not sure how much of what I'd suggest for a bowazon is capable on a classic 1.0 bowazon, but here's what I'd suggest.
Get a fast bow, and some ias gloves. However (if this is even possible) make knockback priority on gloves. If you have to choose take kb over ias, both and leech with dex is extremely good. Try for some dual leech rings with +stats or +life/mana. The +stats doesn't matter unless its energy because it just means you can spend those points in the other dex/str/vit area that your ring doesn't cover. Ias belt with some DR would be good. Res boots are good, I'm not sure if you can roll +stats on boots... possible some dex, I'm a little fuzzy here. The rest of the gear looks good. Try for a +2/3 zon skill with stats/leech/res ammy. With your bow try to find a table that shows the different IAS's you need to hit the breakpoints with different bows and take the one that will give you the most dmg/sec with your current ias setup (I believe gothic will be highest either way). Then I'd put some Pskulls in it for the extra leech, although if you don't have and cold dmg throw a Psapphire in it, the cold dmg is very helpful. Also, make sure you have cannot be frozen somewhere on your gear.
Hope that helps and all of it is somewhat relevant.
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i think u should start putting points into VIT cause with it that low, u re gonna have problems in hell difficult and even nightmare act5....
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Now I remember I had the most fun in original with a Sorc with mass faster cast rate and +skills. Frozen orb just ripped everything apart ^^
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Yea so I downloaded 1.11b patch and updated from 1.0 and it totally fucked up my items. Im wearing garbage now. Lost all my MF, Fastest run/walk, SIAS, Mana/Life Steal, +STR. Basically only the uniques and my stupid belt stayed the same. Which is kind of ironic being that my belt was the shittiest rare I was wearing.
This new patch not only fucked over all my items but now my multi shot is completly worthless. It only does 3/4th damage now. I knew I was in for that and I wouldn't mind if the AR didn't drop from like 90% hit chance to like 60%, and to top that off I have no mana steal. I can fire like 3 volleys and hit maybe 7 monsters, whoopee..
Even with all that the biggest loss is the fact that the arrows don't multiple hit the same monster and pierce seems to be worthless now because even if it does travel through (30% chance) its gonna miss 40% of the time anyways. It used to be skillful micro to shift+Aim behind a crowd of monsters from point blank and just plow through the crowd but also risking death (glass cannon). Its not like it was cheap, you have to do a lot of running, positioning, and microing while paying attention to the minimap and not getting stuck or run into another crowd of monsters. Taking risks when you are low HP instead of potting relying on multishot/Life steal making the game funner while you stockpile potions for bosses. Even stuff like 'dancing' where you run a centimeter, shift+shoot the other way, run, shoot, run, shoot.
Thats not all, now guided arrow costs 3 mana instead of 1 at level 20 so I can't just spam that while I regain mana, I can't kill anything at all. I seem to be glitch shooting backwards when standing still more often too.
I'm not sure about this but I think I read somewhere in one of the patches that life/mana steals get reduced per difficulty to like 50% on nightmare and 75% on hell. If thats true I'm totally fucked. I would need like 30% mana steal at least just to be self sufficient.
Not to mention my bow changed and does 6-50 instead of 5-29 + fire/poison/lightning modifiers that made it 9-70. If I can even hit the monsters It takes like 3 times the shots for them to die at 3 times the cost. I don't get it.
Gambling is all fucked up, for even the shitty leather gloves its now 12,000 gold instead of 2,500 gold. Can't gamble for uniques anymore either.
In nightmare act 4 where I was farming EXP my defense is roughly the same and it dropped from 80% or so chance to being hit to 95% which is the same as having 0 defense at all. Baby maggots don't give EXP either.
The only good things I've gotten out of the patch is: Now I can transmute 3 rejuvination pots into 1 full one, potions in general are more potent, The chests and other crap laying around seems to be dropping double gold and potions, Monsters with teleport don't spam it when they are close to dying, I Don't have to repair items before selling now, There is a repair all button now, I can refill my belt faster by holding shift or alt or something, Quivers now hold 350 instead of 250, I don't have to leave town to refresh the gambling list, Experience loss from death is reduced a shit load and you can gain most of it back when you get your corpse, Monsters give more EXP, When I pick up my corpse and my base STR is lower than the item's (bow) requirement before the other items boost my STR it factors that now and puts the bow on.
I knew I shouldn't have installed this shit. Blizzard is a bunch of screw ups.
I guess my only hope is getting some kind of character editor and trying to get the items that I had back. Anyone know where to get one?
For now I'm going to watch this video of a sorc beating D2 in 2 hours:
http://speeddemosarchive.com/Diablo2LoD.html
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What a retard. You knew that was going to happen and you even said so at first, yet you still decided to update to the latest version. Anyway I'm not sure how much more difficult vanilla D2 is on the most recent version, but at least in the expansion you pretty much have to rely on elite items and top-end uniques to be able to survive solo. I think the leech nerf only applies to the expansion, as well as the corpse recovery thing, immunities and immunity breaking. You can still gamble for Uniques but the chance is about .01% down from 1%. The Defense thing is misleading because 1.0 had a bug where monsters had a true AR of 4x greater than stated, so those maggots always had a 95% chance to hit you.
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On January 31 2007 17:53 JudgeMathis wrote:
Drop that crap, and play WoW. -.-;
Listen to him 
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