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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-31 05:54:48
January 31 2007 05:20 GMT
#1
I recently started playing this again(because I have no internet connection at home). I use an Amazon and I'm currently level 37 in nightmare hell.

I'm trying to build my bitch with no decoy or valkyrie and I put every single point into dexterity so far except for 5 points into vitality and 5 points into strength. I have 10 points floating right now and i'm at 200 dexterity. I put most my points so far into Multishot, Guided arrow, and Critical Strike, with 1-3 points in passives like dodge, avoid, etc.

I wanted to know how many points I should need for strength for the top bows and amazon type items. Taking into effect some items that boost STR as well like, Twitchthroe and other uniques. What items should I hold out on wasting points into strength for so I can use top tier bows and greaves or guantlets.

I was going shooting to have Goldwrap belt, Twitchthroe chest, Tarnhelm headpeice, Gorefoot boots (unless I can find MF, fastest run, and +STR boots, with resists), Hand of Broc gloves (or SIAS, MF gloves, +resists, +STR). As for jewelry: Eye of Etlich amulet, Manald Heal ring, SOJ (maybe). I prefer to have rings that give +STR, +MF, Life steal, and Mana Steal, +MP, +HP. Not sure what Amulets are capable of carrying but I would like it to have +2-3 amazon skills life/mana steal, +STR, resists, +HP/MP, and maybe some cold damage.


Right now my bow really sucks it does 6-39 damage, fast speed, but it has 7% mana steal on it. Thats the main reason i'm using it. I have about 16% mana steal and like 5-10% life steal, about 60 STR with all items, 200+ or so, HP 110 MP, 200 DEX, 15 INT, 25-30 VIT, got about 80% MF. I'm wearing Tarnhelm, Twitchthroe, GoreFoot, SIAS leather gloves with MF, +1 amazon skills ammy, +6% mana steal ring, +6% life steal ring, Eaglewrap rare belt with +MP/HP and MF I think.

What could the ideal bow have on it? very fast attack speed, high damage, +2 amazon skills, life/mana steal, cold damage, enhanced damage, enhanced speed, + attack rating, Negative requirements?

What would a bow like that require for strength?

Whats the best attributes I can hope for for any of the requirements I want?

How long should I farm EXP and Items here in the river of flame before I should move on to hell?

What does a typical Bowazon-Guided/Multishot build look like?

What is the best base type Bow with sockets in it that I can put my perfect skulls into?

PS- is there any secrets or tricks to leveling, or cheaping bosses, or getting money, or duping? I really struggle when I fight Duriel. I must've died like 100 times at least and used 1000s of greater heal pots on him.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
January 31 2007 05:39 GMT
#2
How do you have a bow dealing 6-39 damage at lvl 37
I think i've found better weapons at lvl 15
Logic is Overrated
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-31 05:49:29
January 31 2007 05:43 GMT
#3
This isn't LOD, the game is a lot harder before the expansion. The best damage bows I've seen so far required 70 STR and only did like 10-50 damage with addons likes 1-32 lightning or 12-28 poison.

With my 200 DEX my guided arrow is 15-250 or something.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14910 Posts
January 31 2007 05:44 GMT
#4
Um, fighting bosses like duriel is the reason you get decoy or valkyrie
You can't tank
You really need to build your merc up if you're trying to go without decoy and valkyrie
I agree with him, i don't see how you haven't found someting more useful than a 6-39 damage bow. You can buy bows with better base damage than that
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-31 05:55:16
January 31 2007 05:45 GMT
#5
On January 31 2007 14:44 KOFgokuon wrote:
Um, fighting bosses like duriel is the reason you get decoy or valkyrie
You can't tank
You really need to build your merc up if you're trying to go without decoy and valkyrie
I agree with him, i don't see how you haven't found someting more useful than a 6-39 damage bow. You can buy bows with better base damage than that


I like a challenge though, I want to beat the game without getting those skills at all. Like I said this isn't LOD you don't get to equip mercs or take them through acts.


THIS IS THE FIRST VERSION OF THE GAME, PRE-EXPANSION, NON BATTLE.NET, SINGLE PLAYER.

I never liked LOD its the reason I quit playing the game in the first place. It totally newbed out the game. Act 5 is a joke (gain 5 levels from that statue boss fight is ridiculous). All the new uniques and shit do outrageous damage. Runes and jewels are stupid.


Back in the day I was a carrion song bow wielding, Skull Grasp(now known as havoc spiral) ring toting, PKer.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17707 Posts
January 31 2007 06:34 GMT
#6
Hmm... I think that it's best to make amazon with items like:

Head: Rockstopper
137-201 Defense
18 Durability
43 Str Required
Item Level: 39
Clvl req: 31

+20-40% to Lightning Resist
Physical Damage Taken Reduced by 10%
30% Faster Hit Recovery
+160-220% Enhanced Defense
+20-50% to Fire Resist
+20-40% to Cold Resist
+15 to Vitality

Body: Shaftstop
556-684 Defense
45 Durability
92 Str Required
Medium Armor
Item Level: 46
Clvl req: 38

+250 Defense vs. Missiles
Physical Damage Taken Reduced by 30%
+60 to Life
+180-220% Enhanced Defense

Belt: String of Ears
102-113 Defense
22 Durability
20 Str Required
Item Level: 37
Clvl req: 29

Magical Damage Taken Reduced by 10-15
Physical Damage Taken Reduced by 10-15%
+6-8% Life Stolen Per Hit
+150-180% Enhanced Defense
+15 Defense
+10 Increased Durability

Boots: Waterwalk
94-123 Defense
70 Durability
47 Str Required
Item Level: 40
Clvl req: 32

+100 Defense vs. Missiles
20% Faster Run/Walk
+15 to Dexterity
+180-210% Enhanced Defense
+45-65 to Life
+40 Stamina
+5% to Maximum Fire Resist
+50% Stamina Regen

Gloves: Frostburn
47-49 Defense
24 Durability
60 Str Required
Item Level: 39
Clvl Req: 29

+30 Defense
+5% Enhanced Damage
Increase Maxium Mana 40%
Adds 1-6 Cold Damage, 2 Seconds Cold Length
+10-20% Enhanced Defense

Ring: 2x Manald Heal
CD2 Rarity: 483.9/1000
D2X Rarity: 283/1000
Item level: 20
Clvl req: 15

+4-7% Mana Stolen Per Hit
+5-8 Replenish Life
+20 to Life
+20% Mana Regeneration Rate

Amulet: The Eye of Etlich
CD2 Rarity: 142.9/1000
D2X Rarity: 71.4/100
Item level: 20
Clvl req: 15

+10-40 Defense vs Missiles
+1-5 Light Radius
+1 to All Skills
+3-7% Life Steal
+(1-2) - (3-5) Cold Damage
+2-10 Seconds Cold Length

Bow: Riphook
(22-25) - (61-70) Dmg
25 Str Required
62 Dex Required
Item Level: 39
Clvl Req: 31

30% Chance of Open Wounds
+180-220% Enhanced Damage
Slows Target by 30%
+35 to Mana
30% Increased Attack Speed
7-10% Life stolen per hit

It's all in your heroes level range. Just not sure if all of it was in 1.0 -.-

Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14910 Posts
January 31 2007 06:50 GMT
#7
All that is LOD equipment =/
Realistically, your best goal with regards to equipment is to be able to equip a gothic bow at some point.
da)incognito
Profile Joined October 2003
United States512 Posts
January 31 2007 07:30 GMT
#8
nooo, now i'm feeling the urge to play dia again... must resist~~ DIE DIABLO
*insert witty comment*
Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
January 31 2007 08:04 GMT
#9
On January 31 2007 14:45 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2007 14:44 KOFgokuon wrote:
Um, fighting bosses like duriel is the reason you get decoy or valkyrie
You can't tank
You really need to build your merc up if you're trying to go without decoy and valkyrie
I agree with him, i don't see how you haven't found someting more useful than a 6-39 damage bow. You can buy bows with better base damage than that


I like a challenge though, I want to beat the game without getting those skills at all. Like I said this isn't LOD you don't get to equip mercs or take them through acts.


THIS IS THE FIRST VERSION OF THE GAME, PRE-EXPANSION, NON BATTLE.NET, SINGLE PLAYER.

I never liked LOD its the reason I quit playing the game in the first place. It totally newbed out the game. Act 5 is a joke (gain 5 levels from that statue boss fight is ridiculous). All the new uniques and shit do outrageous damage. Runes and jewels are stupid.


Back in the day I was a carrion song bow wielding, Skull Grasp(now known as havoc spiral) ring toting, PKer.


its only 1 now, and beating those bastards on hell by yourself is just TT
ok dont not so good something is something ok ok ok gogogo
aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3996 Posts
January 31 2007 08:43 GMT
#10
"level 37 in nightmare hell." <- nightmare?

I play d2 sp as well, im a lvl 81 barb now (end of act 2, hell). I think LOD is pretty cool actually, played a bit of normal d2 before (not enough to judge), but i like it so far. I looked up some stuff at strategy.diabloii.net and diabloii.net. Also, the arreat summit (battle.net/diablo2exp) contains lots of info. I don't know how good the coverage is on regular d2.

I'd like to know what it is exactly that ruins LOD for you...I'm not aware of gaining 5 levels through the statue fight, and jewels and runes are fine for me (although runewords are probably a bit too strong). The uniques are definitely tough, but not unbeatable. Experience penalty is starting to kick in now, but at least i'm still able to gain a level in under 10 hours atm^^...
zdd
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1463 Posts
January 31 2007 08:49 GMT
#11
you only gain one level from killing ancients, if you are level 20,40, or 60 (at norm, nm, hell difficulties)
All you need in life is a strong will to succeed and unrelenting determination. If you meet these prerequisites, you can become anything you want with absolutely no luck, fortune or natural ability.
JudgeMathis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Cuba1286 Posts
January 31 2007 08:53 GMT
#12
Drop that crap, and play WoW. -.-;
Benching 225 is light weight. Soy Cubano y Boricua!
nortorius
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada1210 Posts
January 31 2007 09:50 GMT
#13
On January 31 2007 17:43 aseq wrote:
"level 37 in nightmare hell." <- nightmare?

I play d2 sp as well, im a lvl 81 barb now (end of act 2, hell). I think LOD is pretty cool actually, played a bit of normal d2 before (not enough to judge), but i like it so far. I looked up some stuff at strategy.diabloii.net and diabloii.net. Also, the arreat summit (battle.net/diablo2exp) contains lots of info. I don't know how good the coverage is on regular d2.

I'd like to know what it is exactly that ruins LOD for you...I'm not aware of gaining 5 levels through the statue fight, and jewels and runes are fine for me (although runewords are probably a bit too strong). The uniques are definitely tough, but not unbeatable. Experience penalty is starting to kick in now, but at least i'm still able to gain a level in under 10 hours atm^^...


damn dude, level 81 in singleplayer... that must've taken a while..

I remember being able to hit level 80 within a day on multiplayer lol. I guess it sucked some fun out of the game (although once you've played the game enough leveling just gets tedious), but a lot of people just played to duel anyways.

D2 did something right, and I hope Blizzard can create a game in the future that matches it (or hopefully Hellgate: London plays as good as it looks)
Mirage
Profile Joined January 2007
United States36 Posts
January 31 2007 11:20 GMT
#14
Why wouldn't you put one point into valk..... thats the meat of a zon a shield if you will.....If you PvM you NEED atleast 10 in here by 90.....
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
January 31 2007 11:30 GMT
#15
I'm going to play D2 again.
Afk for 1 month.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
SIUnit
Profile Joined December 2006
China288 Posts
January 31 2007 11:54 GMT
#16
Lvl 99 all skills. Zonfire ftw >_>
But seriously, if you like a challenge, duriel is as hard as it gets. I normally play a summonmancer if I go untwicked and w/o editor (occasionnally phoenix striker cuz assassin martial art skills look cool, and don't require amazing weapons since most dmg are elemental).
EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
January 31 2007 12:27 GMT
#17
Until 1.04 bows were bugged so they did virtually no damage. But WW was bugged in 1.01 (25 hits per critter for 1 ww) along with a scaling corpse explosion. So make a necro or WW barb.
Simon and Garfunkel rock my face off
Ganfei1
Profile Joined January 2007
China667 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-31 15:02:18
January 31 2007 15:00 GMT
#18
On January 31 2007 14:45 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2007 14:44 KOFgokuon wrote:
Um, fighting bosses like duriel is the reason you get decoy or valkyrie
You can't tank
You really need to build your merc up if you're trying to go without decoy and valkyrie
I agree with him, i don't see how you haven't found someting more useful than a 6-39 damage bow. You can buy bows with better base damage than that


I like a challenge though, I want to beat the game without getting those skills at all. Like I said this isn't LOD you don't get to equip mercs or take them through acts.


THIS IS THE FIRST VERSION OF THE GAME, PRE-EXPANSION, NON BATTLE.NET, SINGLE PLAYER.

I never liked LOD its the reason I quit playing the game in the first place. It totally newbed out the game. Act 5 is a joke (gain 5 levels from that statue boss fight is ridiculous). All the new uniques and shit do outrageous damage. Runes and jewels are stupid.


Back in the day I was a carrion song bow wielding, Skull Grasp(now known as havoc spiral) ring toting, PKer.


They nerfed it to 1 level from ancients about 1.5 years ago or something, so you're obviously way out of the loop. I agree it's too easy though.

A 39 damage bow is STILL SHITTY in pre LOD.

Also, the runewords and jewels do not ruin LOD. The duping does. There would be like 100 zods floating around Bnet without dupes. Classic is fucked to hell as well with dupes, I used to have 5-10 of all the best rares on my mules. So LOD is not particularly imbalanced.
She prayed for me because she believed I was blind to sin, wanting me to kneel and pray too, because people to whom sin is just a matter of words, to them salvation is just words too.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-01 02:54:34
February 01 2007 02:54 GMT
#19
So far no one has really answered my questions .

very fast attack speed, high damage, +2 amazon skills, life/mana steal, cold damage, enhanced damage, enhanced speed, + attack rating, Negative requirements?

What would a Gothic Bow like that require for strength? (thanks KOFgokuon )

Whats the best attributes I can hope for for any of the requirements I want?

How long should I farm EXP and Items here in the river of flame before I should move on to hell?

What does a typical Bowazon-Guided/Multishot build look like?

What is the best base type Bow with sockets in it that I can put my perfect skulls into? Is there socketed gothic bows?
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14910 Posts
February 01 2007 04:25 GMT
#20
Here's the base requirements for the exceptional bows
http://www.diabloii.net/items/weapons/bows-excep.shtml
Either aim for a gothic bow or a rune bow. Rune bows have a faster base speed so u won't need as much ias to lower your frames per shot ratio, and require less str. Gothic bows just have the best base damage.

You can find socketed ones, but the stuff you can put into sockets in regular diabloii really aren't worth it.
you can always find magical stuff that's way better than anything with sockets
I forget the list of prefixes for regular diablo ii, but there may be a jeweler's prefix/suffix that will allow you to put stuff into a magical bow.

If you have a lot of perfect gems, what you can do is place your magical (blue) bow into your horadric cube with 3 perfect gems and transmute. You'll get a new magical bow with new properties. If you have a surplus, this is a nice way to try to get a bow with some good stats. Make sure the bow is a bow with decent base damage though (again, rune bow / gothic bow are the best bets)

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