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Community Guides
As the title may tell this thread is for hosting guides created by our own community members. Each week before NA community night we will have a host that will give light to a specific topic. The teaching will be part hands on and part lecture. These guides found in here will be the result of said teachings. Every player is welcome to join in on the teaching up to server capacity. Questions should be asked to clarify anything misunderstood. Please do not be a distraction by spamming flashes, flying around with no-clip, or any other similar behavior. Any player with sufficient knowledge may become a teacher by contacting me. This thread will also serve as the place to discuss any guides.
If you have any ideas that you would like to see covered and don't have sufficient knowledge to teach it yourself please post it here and hopefully someone will step forward to teach.
Upcoming Teaching: de_dust2 A site setup, interactive lesson. This lesson will begin 25 minutes before TL community night.
List of teachers: Korben Dallas, amazingxkcd, nagi, porkRaven
Types of guides
Individual:
+ Show Spoiler + Retakes + Show Spoiler + Teacher: amazingxkcd Summary: amazingxkcd: It's a 4v2, the Terrorists have taken the bomb site, and your IGL calls for you to re-take the bomb site. How you even make the retake? What can you do to maximize your chances of making the retake successful? Should you even go for the retake?
We'll do a discussion on how to approach retakes, the tactics and tips that will help you retake a site, and help you become a better counter-strike player. Lesson begins at 6:50 Post Plant + Show Spoiler + Teacher: amazingxkcd Summary: amazingxkcd: The other side of the coin, post plants. Learn how to play after your team gets the plant. Engagements + Show Spoiler + Teacher: Korben Dallas Summary: Korben Dallas: You’re playing short A on de_dust2. You’re in the site, but your two teammates get annhilated at long A and they call 3 out long. You’re alone in the site and about to get sandwiched by 5 terrorists. What’s your plan? You have 2 seconds before the long guys round the corner…
What I want to cover: my philosophy of the game as taught to me through 4000 hours of MM trial and error and competitive experience. I will cover a simplified, logical way of thinking about the game, that will tell you exactly how to play every possible situation.
In short: how to win in CS:GO
Who may benefit the most: Single AK to low supreme
No video was recorded for this session.
Team:
+ Show Spoiler +Map Control + Show Spoiler + Teacher: porkRaven Summary: porkRaven: What map control is, how to take it, and why you want it.
Map:
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
dont be afraid to ask for anything you'd like to know more about!
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This sounds really cool.
If there's someone that has the capacity to record in a decent quality I think it would also be a great thing to make into a youtube video so that the VoD is available to those who can't be there.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
A personal guide to teach Varanice how to .ready up is in order.
Though I guess with forcestart that's now a moot issue. :<
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I plan on recording it and uploading it to youtube. The quality is so-so. I already thought of that guide souma and was planning on doing it as a gag but you ruined it 
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Option1:
You stay on site or goose and try to kill as many T's as possible.
This is not really a good option, since you will either fight a 1v3 (if you stay goose) or a 1v5 (if you stay on site). The usual understanding in CS:GO is that you kill 1 (because of defender's advantage) and then you will get trade killed.
In the best case scenario, you will get a 2nd kill (usually when opponent's mess up).
If you go by this scenario, you will let your team mates either do a 2v3 or a 2v4 retake, given the T's have full control of the bomb site and even all rotation routes.
They can leave 1 player at long and/or they can leave 1 player at short. If you follow the concept of trade kills and the defenders advantage, if you team mates choose to retake from short or long, they will most likely lose 1 player, before they even get to the site, leaving your last team mate in a 1v2 or 1v3 clutch, where his location is known and the location of the T's are unkown.
If they go from CT spawn, you will walk into crossfire situations from short and site and later from long and short.
This does not sound like a winnable situation.
Option 2:
You drop down to CT spawn.
Cross will most likely be smoked off and even if not, when the bomb is going short, they can safely plant it, leaving your team in a 3v5 retake situation, where T's have full control of the bombsite and rotations. Now they can even 2 team on short/long, leaving you in a similar situation for a retake (You trade kill 2v2) leaving your last team mate in a 1v3 clutch.
Option 3:
You push long.
1v3 does not sound very reasonable. By pushing long, you also will be exposed and without cover, meaning you most likely will only get a single kill before you will be traded considering both sites are pushing and the "defenders advantage" is more or less negated.
Similar scenario as option 1 or 2, even if you get 2 kills.
Option 4:
You push short.
Now it get's interesting. Also considering that enemies will be pushing at the same time, the defender's advantage does not apply to them to the same degree. Winning a 1v2 situation still does sound unreasonable, but if you compare it with the other scenarios (1v2 vs 1v3 or 1v5) it sounds a lot more doable.
When you can manage to pull it off, it leaves you in an interesting 3v3 situation. Where T's have full control of the bombsite, but suddenly you have control of short, meaining you don't have to trade kill to get to the site and you also have the option to come from CT spawn, since the crossfire "advantage" is heavily weakened.
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
you're making assumptions that you don't have any smokes to work with nor flashes. A lot of those scenarios change when we have access to nades, thus not having to necessarily push places to make a play.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Plot twist: I have an AWP. I snipe them down one by one. Winner winner chicken dinner.
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Damn it souma you ruined it. Let's get some hype going and remember its right before NA TL community night!
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Canada4481 Posts
Throw a smoke on site, and hide in it til they plant. Ninja defuse for ez lulz.
+ Show Spoiler +
But seriously, I'd smoke/molly off cat, maybe 1 flash to delay cat as long as possible (assuming there are going to be 2 coming from there, see what your team mate mid calls), jump down to cross, pop flash peek long to try and get a kill or two as they cross + throwing smokes (the pop flash almost always gets people as they make their way up long) to equalize the situation as much as possible.
If you get a kill and survive great, fall back/hide in smoke and try to pick off more as they cross. Goal is to get 2 kills and not get traded (ideally)
If you don't get a kill, fall back and see if they can get picks crossing, if yes, see if retake viable, if not, fall back and save
If you get traded, you/team mates should fall back and see if they can get picks crossing to make a retake viable.
If you get rekt peeking even though they were flashed: 1. got outplayed/outlucked, cry in a little corner at how bad you are. 2. call hacks, report, rage quit... then cry in a little corner at how bad you are.
else fall back and save rifles and bitch at why pork couldn't hold long for shit.
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Thank you for all your responses (EXCEPT NAGI)! The question was more intended to be an example on what type of discussion we will have on friday. Perhaps this will get people thinking for the discussion beforehand and that'll help greatly!
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1v5 when you already have A site isn't going to happen. Though a 1v4 or 1v3 could happen. I suppose what you should do won't change much. You certainly will have to do something to force a fight or two. Preferably see if you can get a quick kill on cat and either adjust back to site for a long pick or drop ct. but if you drop ct you basically lose, you won't be able to stop one of 3 people from defusing.
if you have nades by all means use them immediately, before you get bum rushed.
Edit: also I'm an awper, so this could be biased towards what an awper should do, lol.
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Community guides is a good idea. Nice one pork. Hopefully it will help increase the overall skill of the TL player base.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Why do that when you can just cerry us No0n :D
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Well, smoking cat could help, but if the ts have some kind of game sense they would know that you are alone in the A site. They just flash/push right through your smoke and make a nice sandwich. You'd lack any cover if you'd jump down to ct spawn.
So when you're not in the mood to channel your inner KennyS, dance around headshotbox and awp them one by one (given you have an awp and they can't manage to trade effectively), I would also suggest to try counterpushing A short.
Best case scenario with a flash.
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On September 04 2015 19:04 Souma wrote:
Why do that when you can just cerry us No0n :D
i need soh awping, not carrying with a rifle
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Canada4481 Posts
Nice lesson by DR. kdallas. Once again, another reason to blame pork because he was supposed to help him with the lesson but probably slept through it.
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On September 04 2015 14:56 Nagisama wrote:Throw a smoke on site, and hide in it til they plant. Ninja defuse for ez lulz. + Show Spoiler +But seriously, I'd smoke/molly off cat, maybe 1 flash to delay cat as long as possible (assuming there are going to be 2 coming from there, see what your team mate mid calls), jump down to cross, pop flash peek long to try and get a kill or two as they cross + throwing smokes (the pop flash almost always gets people as they make their way up long) to equalize the situation as much as possible. If you get a kill and survive great, fall back/hide in smoke and try to pick off more as they cross. Goal is to get 2 kills and not get traded (ideally)
This is normally what I do, its atleast 1 kill gauranteed and at my level they often lineup because wall hugging. Most MM's arent organized enough for effective re-takes
If your playing on a team ofcourse you have alot more options, you still have most of your teams tech and they just spent most of theirs taking the site.
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Updated with next lesson concept, retakes. Will happen immediately after TL community night.
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Why no recording T_T. Not all of us can join live  .
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On September 09 2015 01:24 Piledriver wrote:Why no recording T_T. Not all of us can join live .
i will record my session on retakes, so don't worry for that 
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Canada4481 Posts
The first lesson had no recording because it was just a lecture on TS. =\
also stealing mah idea for retakes
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I was unable to record last week because of a serious and life threatening injury. I should be able to record every one after the first. Tomas will probably stream it as well.
A lecture video would be fine, practically a podcast at that point. Lessons should be more hands on than the first.
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Reminder. Retake lesson will be done after community or whenever people want me to do it. I will stream and make a vod of the session so those who cannot make it can at least review the lecture
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Let's get some hype going for both the lesson and community night! I expect to see a lot of you old faces and a few new ones too! It is a good time to be had.
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Updated OP with vod and the lesson starts at 6:50.
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Thank you for posting the recording . Hope your injury is ok now.
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
We will be doing a lesson tomorrow before the community night!
I will be discussing post-plants for Terrorists!
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Ive got to throw out some criticism / dislike for this initiative. Watching the videos above, you can learn everything & more from the better presented videos done by others (examples: steel/warowl/adren).
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Bluntly, your presentation is messy & distracting (xkcd practically gave me motion sickness xD) and the way you explain things is often unclear or misleading. Some of the things you've said are downright wrong too.
Hearts in the right place but these guides are ineffective & detrimental especially when compared to video lessons of the same subject done by others.
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Yes I definitely agree with your points, ideally this would be more interactive form of learning. What we suffer from is your points mentioned above and that we don't know how to pull players into it from just a passive listening mode. With my lesson I tried to keep it extremely short and just at the basics of map control. It was aimed at a lower ranked player that doesn't have much experience in understanding on why map control is good and why you as a team should work towards it together. We may end up scraping this if we feel it isn't helping or worst of all confusing players :p .
I know I was a bit unclear and flubbed up a few points due to lack of experience in the format. Not controlling yourself from running around like a madman on the map is also bad for the viewing experience, just something to do I guess. If I do decide to do another lesson myself I might try to record on my end so I can get a better video quality. I'll also work on speaking clearly and follow a better plan so I don't mix ideas when giving the lesson. Is there anything else specifically related to my lesson? Especially if you remember any untruths I told that would be appreciated. Or any ideas on how to make the lesson interactive.
edit: also this guy makes good videos if you are looking https://www.youtube.com/user/downsideCSS/videos
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Ideally these lessons were supposed to be interactive with people joining in and being part of it, but the way its happening right now is, as you said capped, ineffective. Doing a lecture on map control without player participation would probably be more effective reviewing a demo, if you wanted to do a very in depth lecture on map control.
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Updated with next lesson which will be about de_dust2 A setups. This lesson will NOT be a lecture and will be putting whoever shows up into scenarios and criticism will be offered. Discussion will be had as well.
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