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jeeeeohn
United States1343 Posts
I thought the E3 presentation was amazing. Build your own settlements, jump around in power armor, fuck shit up with your dog--I'm sorry, what's the problem again? | ||
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lprk
Poland2249 Posts
On June 16 2015 11:30 jeeeeohn wrote: The hate is strong in this thread. I thought the E3 presentation was amazing. Build your own settlements, jump around in power armor, fuck shit up with your dog--I'm sorry, what's the problem again? Problem is that for a lot of people main expectation from cRPG (especially called Fallout) is to have great story, dialogues and interesting world, and everyone knows that Bethesda isn't capable of delivering that. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On June 16 2015 11:30 jeeeeohn wrote: The hate is strong in this thread. I thought the E3 presentation was amazing. Build your own settlements, jump around in power armor, fuck shit up with your dog--I'm sorry, what's the problem again? Because i don't play fallout to build settlements or just kill stuff. Plenty of games with better gunplay and better survival+construction. I play it to explore a post apocalyptic world with a good story and interesting character. But i guess Yango and some others are right, i should stop expecting bethesda to deliver any of that. So yeah, fallout 4 looks like it's going to be a fine game on its own. But to me it also looks like it's gonna be another bad fallout game. | ||
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Inex
Bulgaria443 Posts
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Lysteria
France2280 Posts
On June 16 2015 11:30 jeeeeohn wrote: I thought the E3 presentation was amazing. Build your own settlements, jump around in power armor, fuck shit up with your dog--I'm sorry, what's the problem again? It shows absolutely nothing on what made Fallout games what they were. But as a presentation, it's not like we can except them to talk about the story and/or the characters. It's made by Bethesda though, so I'm not expecting much in that department. I'd not call it hate, I just don't really care, as I didn't care about Elder's Scroll games or Fallout 3. But hey, who knows, maybe I'll be wrong and the game will be nice. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
I like Fallout 3 and I like 1 and 2, but they are very different games and I wouldn't expect a games company to change what they are doing despite their fans enjoying it massively. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 16 2015 16:39 Unleashing wrote: Because i don't play fallout to build settlements or just kill stuff. Plenty of games with better gunplay and better survival+construction. I play it to explore a post apocalyptic world with a good story and interesting character. But i guess Yango and some others are right, i should stop expecting bethesda to deliver any of that. So yeah, fallout 4 looks like it's going to be a fine game on its own. But to me it also looks like it's gonna be another bad fallout game. I have to agree. The problem with some of the legacy games is that people want to do new things or developers leave. The IP changes hands or people get inspired by new game play and want to give it a shot. Your best bet is to do what Yango does and dive deep into who made what game and follow the developer, rather than the IP. Much like movie buffs do with directors. I am excited for Fall Out 4. I have a soft spot for the original games, but I played them later on and they didn't define my teenage years like they did for some people. | ||
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Yacobs
United States846 Posts
On June 16 2015 11:30 jeeeeohn wrote: The hate is strong in this thread. I thought the E3 presentation was amazing. Build your own settlements, jump around in power armor, fuck shit up with your dog--I'm sorry, what's the problem again? You are in Bethesda's target demographic. | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
And as much as I dislike one to three word dialogue wheels, if certain options can lead to other options (he said there would be more 'interactive' branching dialogue), then its possible that your conversations might not be as one-dimensional as they were in previous games. At the end of the day, I am pretty hopeful that this game will turn out to be interesting. One thing that Bethesda consistently does well is that they design a really big open world, which is beautiful in many areas to look at. And genuinely scary sometimes (memories of Fallout 3 vaults). If that 'leaked' information in the OP is correct, then the game world is even bigger than Skyrim..which is exactly what I was hoping for; sufficiently good graphics, but not to an extreme - most of the focus has been on world building. I know I'm probably going to be missing some of the depth in quests and dialogue that were in the older Fallouts. But I'm not yet an old man who can't appreciate other things. You don't necessarily need to have deep dialogue and quests in order to have fun, and overall I can say that Bethesda makes fun games. In my mind Bethesda is still a company geared towards making games for young teens. But that's okay. I still enjoy being a kid in some ways. The main thing is I think the game world will be fun to explore, and I love the idea of crafting really unique and powerful weapons. That's good enough for me. Ah hell I'll admit it I'm kind of excited  .By the way the entire crafting video wasn't posted in the OP. After searching around on youtube I found the complete video (the missing part starts at about 12 minutes, and also shows some combat). Full Video | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
On June 16 2015 11:30 jeeeeohn wrote: The hate is strong in this thread. I thought the E3 presentation was amazing. Build your own settlements, jump around in power armor, fuck shit up with your dog--I'm sorry, what's the problem again? Problem is, that's absolutely NOT what Fallout (true ones) were about. Call if Call of Wasteland and I have no problem with it. Call if Fallout and I'm angry, 'cause bitchsoft have obviously no idea what the IP was about and they just make "skyrim with guns + building settlements". So, yeah. There's a problem. | ||
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HeatEXTEND
Netherlands836 Posts
On June 17 2015 01:35 OsaX Nymloth wrote: Call it Call of Wasteland and I have no problem with it. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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malcram
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jeeeeohn
United States1343 Posts
Here's what they're good at: -Developing a large, reactive world. Here's what they're not good at: -Plot / character (Morrowind notwithstanding) Maybe I am in Bethesda's target demographic, but I'm also not expecting anything out of Bethesda except a fuckin' Bethesda game. Fallout 3 came out in, what, 2007? If you don't know what Bethesda's about right now, in 2015--8 years later--then I don't know what to tell you. Were you expecting a top-down isometric CRPG ala Planescape? Go play Shadowrun: Dragonfall. Honestly I don't know why people bother posting in threads for games they automatically hate and know they'll hate on release. Whenever I ask someone to summarize the Fallout IP, it goes: -Quirky humor -Post-apocalyptic setting In that exact order, every time, without fail. So Fallout 3 comes out, and what do we get? -Quirky humor -Post-apocalyptic setting The IP is not as precious or unique as you think it is. Fallout 4 is going to be an awesome Bethesda game, with a gigantic interactive world and a mostly rail-thin plot. "But you didn't play FO1 or FO2!" Yes I did. You shot stuff. You shot lots of stuff. Just because you're doing it in first person or from an isometric perspective doesn't change the fact that you're shooting stuff. Whether turn-based or in real time, you're shooting things in the face. All the time. In every Fallout game. Yeah, the animations suck. It's Bethesda. They suck at some stuff but are the best in the business at other stuff. You either enjoy column B or hate column A. Anyway, adjust your expectations or go play the older games. No one cares. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 17 2015 04:44 jeeeeohn wrote: -Developing a large, reactive world. FO3 and Oblivion are the two Bethesda game worlds that are the least responsive to the player's choices and actions, which is why they are poorly regarded compared to Bethesda's other titles. On June 17 2015 04:44 jeeeeohn wrote: The IP is not as precious or unique as you think it is. Fallout 4 is going to be an awesome Bethesda game, with a gigantic interactive world and a mostly rail-thin plot. "But you didn't play FO1 or FO2!" Yes I did. You shot stuff. You shot lots of stuff. Just because you're doing it in first person or from an isometric perspective doesn't change the fact that you're shooting stuff. Whether turn-based or in real time, you're shooting things in the face. All the time. In every Fallout game. That's a vast oversimplification of Fallout and fails to really respect what people enjoyed about the originals, why they feel FO3 is not faithful to it, and why they think NV does a better job. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 17 2015 04:50 TheYango wrote: FO3 and Oblivion are the two Bethesda game worlds that are the least responsive to the player's choices and actions, which is why they are poorly regarded compared to Bethesda's other titles. That's a vast oversimplification of Fallout and fails to really respect what people enjoyed about the originals, why they feel FO3 is not faithful to it, and why they think NV does a better job. I mean, I am totally ok with that since a lot of fans of the original don't really respect the fans of FO3 and seem to enjoy flaming the game endlessly. Its sort of a two way street. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 17 2015 04:44 jeeeeohn wrote: Has anyone here actually played a Bethesda game before? Here's what they're good at: -Developing a large, reactive world. Here's what they're not good at: -Plot / character (Morrowind notwithstanding) Maybe I am in Bethesda's target demographic, but I'm also not expecting anything out of Bethesda except a fuckin' Bethesda game. Fallout 3 came out in, what, 2007? If you don't know what Bethesda's about right now, in 2015--8 years later--then I don't know what to tell you. Were you expecting a top-down isometric CRPG ala Planescape? Go play Shadowrun: Dragonfall. Honestly I don't know why people bother posting in threads for games they automatically hate and know they'll hate on release. Whenever I ask someone to summarize the Fallout IP, it goes: -Quirky humor -Post-apocalyptic setting In that exact order, every time, without fail. So Fallout 3 comes out, and what do we get? -Quirky humor -Post-apocalyptic setting The IP is not as precious or unique as you think it is. Fallout 4 is going to be an awesome Bethesda game, with a gigantic interactive world and a mostly rail-thin plot. "But you didn't play FO1 or FO2!" Yes I did. You shot stuff. You shot lots of stuff. Just because you're doing it in first person or from an isometric perspective doesn't change the fact that you're shooting stuff. Whether turn-based or in real time, you're shooting things in the face. All the time. In every Fallout game. Yeah, the animations suck. It's Bethesda. They suck at some stuff but are the best in the business at other stuff. You either enjoy column B or hate column A. Anyway, adjust your expectations or go play the older games. No one cares. and this is why your entire opinion invalid, and exactly the reason why you're bethesda's target audience. | ||
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parkufarku
882 Posts
On June 16 2015 14:30 lprk wrote: Problem is that for a lot of people main expectation from cRPG (especially called Fallout) is to have great story, dialogues and interesting world, and everyone knows that Bethesda isn't capable of delivering that. This. Bethesda NPCs seem like lifeless dolls to me that have a scripted line. The story is not interesting either. Quests are generally find this, kill that. | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
On June 17 2015 04:44 jeeeeohn wrote: Has anyone here actually played a Bethesda game before? Here's what they're good at: -Developing a large, reactive world. I laughed. Good joke, mate. On June 17 2015 04:44 jeeeeohn wrote: Here's what they're not good at: -Plot / character (Morrowind notwithstanding) - everything cRPG related On June 17 2015 04:44 jeeeeohn wrote: Honestly I don't know why people bother posting in threads for games they automatically hate and know they'll hate on release. Whenever I ask someone to summarize the Fallout IP, it goes: -Quirky humor -Post-apocalyptic setting In that exact order, every time, without fail. So Fallout 3 comes out, and what do we get? -Quirky humor -Post-apocalyptic setting The amount of "WRONG" in this few words is astonishing. | ||
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