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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
January 02 2014 18:02 GMT
#1161
Yeah that's silly. It would definitely make blizz rich, but it would also degrade the community pretty horribly.

I can already see all the level 90 spellpower dk's running around...
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21679 Posts
January 02 2014 18:04 GMT
#1162
dont forget that it is for WoD. So you still have to level 10 more levels on your own to "learn" your class. And tbh you would see the Spellpower dk if regardless if he lvled 10 or 100 lvls
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
January 02 2014 18:04 GMT
#1163
Well to be honest that is pretty clever by Blizz xD
I mean the people with lots of 90s will just pay £30 for expansion, people who want free 90 can pay say £40. Nothing wrong with that imo?
Even i with enough 90s to deal with would buy the £40 for the free 90 xD

I like AFK'n in org :3
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
January 02 2014 18:07 GMT
#1164
On January 03 2014 03:04 Gorsameth wrote:
dont forget that it is for WoD. So you still have to level 10 more levels on your own to "learn" your class. And tbh you would see the Spellpower dk if regardless if he lvled 10 or 100 lvls

Eh i feel like people currently dont learn their class for shit going 1-90 as is...
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21679 Posts
January 02 2014 18:08 GMT
#1165
On January 03 2014 03:07 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2014 03:04 Gorsameth wrote:
dont forget that it is for WoD. So you still have to level 10 more levels on your own to "learn" your class. And tbh you would see the Spellpower dk if regardless if he lvled 10 or 100 lvls

Eh i feel like people currently dont learn their class for shit going 1-90 as is...

well then nothing changes :p
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
January 02 2014 18:09 GMT
#1166
Not really, then people are even worse than they are now, which is kinda sad.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-02 18:16:47
January 02 2014 18:11 GMT
#1167
On January 03 2014 03:07 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2014 03:04 Gorsameth wrote:
dont forget that it is for WoD. So you still have to level 10 more levels on your own to "learn" your class. And tbh you would see the Spellpower dk if regardless if he lvled 10 or 100 lvls

Eh i feel like people currently dont learn their class for shit going 1-90 as is...


Blizzard mentioned that there will be tutorial(s) similar to what DK has, with the free 90 boost. I don't see why it wouldn't apply to this. Whether it will be as helpful as you'd want it to be, who knows. Probably not. But for someone that hasn't touched all the classes yet, even a small introduction is more than welcome.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
January 02 2014 18:43 GMT
#1168
On January 03 2014 02:30 Grettin wrote:
Thoughts?

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/how-much-would-you-pay-for-a-standalone-level-90-world-of-warcraft-character/1100-6416888/


Leveling up is half the fun, why would you spend extra money to skip half of the game? To me that is like buying the collectors edition of SC2 just to get a free save file that starts you off on the last level of the campaign. I guess its like people who buy the strategy guide for a puzzle game - it makes no sense to me but some people hate jumping through hoops I guess.

Also yea people are just getting worse at the game. Was doing strat dead last night and some dude just kept opening up all the crates looking for holy water, not realizing that he was being attacked by maggots at all and just standing there taking damage. Then I had to jump up and down on the paper that causes the black guardsman to spawn for a good 4 minutes before they found it. Then to top it off one of the DPSs leeroys into Rivendare's room and locks the tank out so I have to panic heal the fight without a tank (good thing they made the whole dungeon EZ mode). Two weeks ago I had a Warrior in +Intelligence plate. I mean come on lol
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
January 02 2014 18:47 GMT
#1169
I had a pala tank in agi leather with a spirit/intelect chest piece, agility/spirit shield and +int mace giving me shit when i asked him to please wait until the whole group was together before pulling (some guy fell off in the water before the last part). he started ninja pulling like an idiot and only succesfully wiped the entire group when he pulled all the beast mob thingies right before akumai's room, because he just didnt tank shit and let me die first.

Call me nostalgic but i never saw shit like that happen when i first started.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
January 02 2014 18:49 GMT
#1170
Skill of the overall player base really doesn't matter in the long run for guilds focused on progression anyways. The newbies who don't know anything and don't care to learn anything will continue to run their LFR's every week (which are becoming even easier in WoD btw, in line with Blizz's vision of it being "tourism mode").

Honestly, I feel like the players we encounter in LFR's and Flex pugs have always been there; just the experience of playing with these clueless idiots has been magnified due to Blizz and programs like Oqueue streamlining the process of finding these groups. The one downside to this is the ilvl discrimination that I see going on more frequently than ever in pugs, with the logic "if this person has X amount of ilvl, then this person can't possibly be clueless...right?"...well...

At the end of the day, it's a good thing guilds exist. lol
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
January 02 2014 18:58 GMT
#1171
On January 03 2014 03:47 Teoita wrote:
Call me nostalgic but i never saw shit like that happen when i first started.


I feel like such an old man sometimes. "Back in my day you needed 4 healers to run UBRS! We had to CC on every pull and if you didn't have the improved Sap talent you didn't get a group invite! And even if you had improved sap you got BBQpwned on 10% of pulls! You young whipper snappers don't know how easy you've got it"

If sap fails just let the rogue die - my favorite line of vanilla
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-02 19:01:37
January 02 2014 19:00 GMT
#1172
On January 03 2014 03:58 TheFish7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2014 03:47 Teoita wrote:
Call me nostalgic but i never saw shit like that happen when i first started.


I feel like such an old man sometimes. "Back in my day you needed 4 healers to run UBRS! We had to CC on every pull and if you didn't have the improved Sap talent you didn't get a group invite! And even if you had improved sap you got BBQpwned on 10% of pulls! You young whipper snappers don't know how easy you've got it"

If sap fails just let the rogue die - my favorite line of vanilla


I miss being known on my (old) server for being really good at CCing mobs, moon=polymorph target ftw.

The thing is, what has happened so far (and will continue to happen pretty much forever) is just that good players will just never ever leave their guilds, because "out there" is where all the baddies are. Kinda different from knowing several people on your server that are all good players and in different guilds, and running tbc heroics together or whatever.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21679 Posts
January 02 2014 19:19 GMT
#1173
I pretty much never group outside the guild for a reason. I skip LFR whever i can only doing a few guild runs at the start of a tier. Only do scenario's in the guild. dungeons, when i do them there in the guild.

It was funny watching the "evolution" of LFR. At the start there was a lot of raiders who joined them, runs were reasonably smooth but a lot of 'bad' people got flamed for being bad and not listening.
Then the raiders got tired of carrying the bads and stopped queuing more and more and now you see all the people complaining SoO LFR is so hard and there are so many wipes because so few 'good' players are left to lead/carry them
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
musai
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada552 Posts
January 02 2014 19:27 GMT
#1174
Well the raiders stop doing LFR because they don't need anything from there. There's pretty much 0 reason to do SoO LFR now.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
January 02 2014 19:51 GMT
#1175
Cept for them pesky runestones and secrets
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
January 02 2014 20:25 GMT
#1176
On January 03 2014 01:25 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2014 00:56 Torenhire wrote:
Questing and levelling is so damn boring without PVP, you guys are insane.


Level up a horde alt on Sylvanas EU (or an alliance one on Kazzak EU i guess) and let me know if your opinion stays the same


Here was my (alliance) levelling server
http://wow.realmpop.com/us-illidan.html

and I still would much rather quest/level on that server than on PVE Once I started fighting instead of trying to hide from all the horde, I immediately got tons better at my class, I knew all the spell mechanics like the back of my hand, what to cast when, rotations...it all became a snap reflex to the point where you're fighting 4, 5, 6 people at once and not getting stomped because you're so used to fighting a group solo.

Sylvanas has a great ratio, it's about 2:1 in favor of alliance, so that place would be practically perfect to level up on for a PVP server. If people are going to cry about a 2:1 ratio, they might as well just spend the 25 bucks to move servers because that's practically perfect. Funny you mention that realm though, I'm friends with a few people from a horde guild over there (The Machine) and if I were to roll EU I'd roll there horde 100%

Kazzak is pretty bad, but same thing as above...I'd still rather roll on a PVP realm regardless of pop/ratio than a PVE one, if it were up to me.

SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
January 02 2014 21:06 GMT
#1177
Dunno i could kill 1,2 mobs tops before getting ganked, and when you are level 85/86 no amount of skill can save you from 1 or more 90's. Personal taste i gues...also, Sylvanas used to be 2:1 but now it's closer to 4:1.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
January 03 2014 01:16 GMT
#1178
On January 03 2014 03:47 Teoita wrote:
I had a pala tank in agi leather with a spirit/intelect chest piece, agility/spirit shield and +int mace giving me shit when i asked him to please wait until the whole group was together before pulling (some guy fell off in the water before the last part). he started ninja pulling like an idiot and only succesfully wiped the entire group when he pulled all the beast mob thingies right before akumai's room, because he just didnt tank shit and let me die first.

Call me nostalgic but i never saw shit like that happen when i first started.

There was a lot of horrible people at the start too. The thing is that eventually you would meet decent and good players, and you will start grouping with them. We called them CS players xD

I am starting to play again, but levelling on a PvE server is too boring for me. STV was always the best part of levelling, but something tells me that with the LFR tool, i won't find outdoor pvp even if i camp towns.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
January 03 2014 01:32 GMT
#1179
On January 03 2014 04:51 farvacola wrote:
Cept for them pesky runestones and secrets


I'd do Pinnacle of Storms LFR - maybe - If I needed runestones/secrets, but pugging norm ToT/flex SoO is a lot quicker and easier than LFR ToT and SoO.
ffxiv enjoyer
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
January 03 2014 10:50 GMT
#1180
On January 03 2014 04:19 Gorsameth wrote:
I pretty much never group outside the guild for a reason. I skip LFR whever i can only doing a few guild runs at the start of a tier. Only do scenario's in the guild. dungeons, when i do them there in the guild.

It was funny watching the "evolution" of LFR. At the start there was a lot of raiders who joined them, runs were reasonably smooth but a lot of 'bad' people got flamed for being bad and not listening.
Then the raiders got tired of carrying the bads and stopped queuing more and more and now you see all the people complaining SoO LFR is so hard and there are so many wipes because so few 'good' players are left to lead/carry them


Here's my experience(I'm a WoW noob):
LFR isn't too bad actually. Yes, the whole raid get wiped sometimes, but as long as there are someone to tell us what to do, we will usually make it on the next try. I never read up on tactics before queuing for raid(I know that's a bit stupid, but I'm just not studying for this game) but there's always someone saying what to do, and everything's fine.

For you hardcore players, I'm sure the game is getting more and more boring and casual, and I can relate that to BW/SC2. But as a guy who doesn't have that much time to play anymore, I really enjoy the way it is now!
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