• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:38
CEST 11:38
KST 18:38
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple2BSL Season 2312Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon101Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the StarCraft shooter announcement at BlizzCon 2026? Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Grand Finals Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) 2026 GSTL Announcement
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 544 Double Trouble The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses Mutation # 542 The Ascended
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder SC4ALL II: Brood War Player Announcement 3/4 - soO [ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy BSL Season 23 PLAYzone Challenge - open offline tour in Prague
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 2 [IPSL] IPSL is Back With Winter 26-27! PLAYzone Challenge - open offline tour in Prague [ASL22] Ro16 Group D
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Diablo IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread All you football fans (soccer)!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Violent-Cooperative Play and…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 13507 users

[wow] Warlords of Draenor - Page 417

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 415 416 417 418 419 591 Next
Add yourself to the player list
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
February 09 2015 18:49 GMT
#8321
These are the stat weights for a Combat rogue on single target, with and without 4set bonuses, at around 665 item level:

[image loading]
[image loading]

So yeah, item level wins. By a metric fuckton. There are cases in which this isn't true (mastery and ww/mw monks for example), but they are very rare.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
nikj
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada669 Posts
February 10 2015 06:05 GMT
#8322
10/10 Normal 2/10 Heroic. :S Would have liked to get further this week in heroic but oh wells, I got a lot further in pugs than 90% of the guilds in my server.

Wish I could have gotten into some good pugs earlier in the week because it was painful the last few days, for me anyway. Furnace and Blackhand taking a lot of time. Ended up making my own group for Normal Blackhand after about 20 wipes with other groups, after seeing some of you guys say they beat it by just overgearing it. Only invited people 675+ and got it down in 8 attempts, the 7th attempt being a 1% wipe <100k HP. Better than I thought considering I'm not the most comfortable "leading" a group.

Kind of funny because the group I had before it had this guy Theories from the US 1st Heroic Blackhand kill but it was failing miserably. Though it wasn't his fault lol + Show Spoiler +
Here's the video of the kill
Y'know sometimes people ask me y'know like "What's your religion and stuff?" And I'm like "y' know it's like RTS." Uh, and they're like, "What's that?" And I'm like, "Y'know it's kinda like, kinda like Buddism."
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
February 10 2015 06:15 GMT
#8323
my guild spent around 40 wipes on H blackhand, didnt even get to p3 once our melee kept on popping slag bombs, and I felt like we were almost too good like killing the siegmakers because we always had to soak impales when no siegemakers were up.
yookstah
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia655 Posts
February 10 2015 06:28 GMT
#8324
We did a raid on an offday and ended up killing H blackhand. Pretty happy with the fact we killed it (ended up only taking 15 to keep numbers down).

http://i.imgur.com/ckLdSaU.jpg

looking forward to mythic \o/
"I'm saying that you are all the time aggressive. I say to you choose situations to be aggressive and not aggressive. I'm talking it" - Cooller
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
February 10 2015 06:33 GMT
#8325
On February 10 2015 15:28 yookstah wrote:
We did a raid on an offday and ended up killing H blackhand. Pretty happy with the fact we killed it (ended up only taking 15 to keep numbers down).

http://i.imgur.com/ckLdSaU.jpg

looking forward to mythic \o/

any advice on getting through p2 smoothly?
yookstah
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia655 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-10 12:33:57
February 10 2015 12:25 GMT
#8326
It's all based on tank positioning. Try and make sure you have the boss somewhat centralised ready to move away from the siegemaker spawn so it is easier for the hunter who is baiting the fixate to grab. A boomkin maybe +1 should only have to go up on the balcony - make sure the stack doesnt go to high when going up there. When they're maybe gonna die just get them to hop off.

Killing the siegemaker so no fire spawns makes the fight a lot better, too. Make sure ranged switch to it when the dmg reduction buff has been removed, and for the hunter to run it over bombs.

People pretty much can't die in p2. Save lust, cds (if possible) and 2nd pot for final phase when boss is in position
"I'm saying that you are all the time aggressive. I say to you choose situations to be aggressive and not aggressive. I'm talking it" - Cooller
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-10 12:32:51
February 10 2015 12:32 GMT
#8327
What we did in P2 was to have everyone dps the Siegemaker after its armour breaks, down to about 25-30%, the second set of marks should kill it. That way no fire spawns and everyone will have a far easier job moving around. Then the third set of marks should be soaked by a tank and someone else standing in front of it (we had a Windwalker do it).
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 10 2015 12:44 GMT
#8328
We wiped a few times in phase 2 because we have these people who like to either run over bombs or jump off balcony on bombs. We got to phase 3 like 4 out of 10 tries and instantly the tanks just go full retard and we get knocked into Africa or one of them gets hit off the edge TT
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-10 13:45:00
February 10 2015 13:44 GMT
#8329
The amount of people who get launched to africa in p3 blackhand is waaaay too high
yookstah
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia655 Posts
February 10 2015 16:30 GMT
#8330
Having tanks suicide for the last few smashes is a good idea, also.
"I'm saying that you are all the time aggressive. I say to you choose situations to be aggressive and not aggressive. I'm talking it" - Cooller
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
February 10 2015 16:38 GMT
#8331
Our p3 strat was to tank him on the edge of the arena with the ranged in the middle. Take first mines to the edges, other mines into active volcanoes. For smash, have tank and all the melee + a cd (smoke bomb first 2) stand towards the part of the circle facing the middle so they get knocked into the ranged group, pull Blackhand back to the edge, repeat. I think we had 1-2 people get knocked off on our successful attempt and it was our first with that strat.
PureMetal
Profile Joined December 2010
United States83 Posts
February 10 2015 19:45 GMT
#8332
Canceled my subscription today. Kinda bummed. I don't have enough time to dedicate to raiding, and my server wasn't the best player pool for raids anyway. I would have really liked to have seen heroic dungeons be more relevant. Rolling through LFR each week just felt a little defeating. I don't think Bliz needed to implement a token system again, but heroics being completely irrelevant this soon into the expansion was disappointing. There are some really cool fights and mechanics now that I would like to play around with more outside of questing.

PVP was pretty well done. It would have been cool if you could queue for a specific BG on rated with your group. This would have opened up an interesting meta for group comps. Arena was alright, felt a bit stale since everyone had some form of extreme dmg mitigation to cope with all of the extreme dmg buffs. I almost completely avoided 2v2 though because it wasn't fun playing against DK/x all the time. I'm a bit bias to the TBC arena era though. 3v3 had pretty good variety though.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 10 2015 20:03 GMT
#8333
Race has started!
http://www.wowprogress.com/

Blood Legion started on Beastlord Darmac and Midwinter downed Gruul. Wonder how many will be killed by the time EU steps in.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
February 10 2015 20:38 GMT
#8334
On February 11 2015 05:03 Pandemona wrote:
Race has started!
http://www.wowprogress.com/

Blood Legion started on Beastlord Darmac and Midwinter downed Gruul. Wonder how many will be killed by the time EU steps in.

I still really don't understand why they don't just release them all at the same time these days T_T
DCRed
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland435 Posts
February 10 2015 20:39 GMT
#8335
I was going to say bets on how long BL is going to keep #1 this time but it seems like they already delivered.
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
February 10 2015 21:47 GMT
#8336
On February 11 2015 05:38 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 05:03 Pandemona wrote:
Race has started!
http://www.wowprogress.com/

Blood Legion started on Beastlord Darmac and Midwinter downed Gruul. Wonder how many will be killed by the time EU steps in.

I still really don't understand why they don't just release them all at the same time these days T_T

Meh, I prefer the lesser shitstorm that comes our way...
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 10 2015 22:03 GMT
#8337
Haha. I wish WoW would give us something to track this via armory rather than this stupid wowprogress which takes to long to upload
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
February 10 2015 22:28 GMT
#8338
On February 11 2015 06:47 Duvon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 05:38 Drazerk wrote:
On February 11 2015 05:03 Pandemona wrote:
Race has started!
http://www.wowprogress.com/

Blood Legion started on Beastlord Darmac and Midwinter downed Gruul. Wonder how many will be killed by the time EU steps in.

I still really don't understand why they don't just release them all at the same time these days T_T

Meh, I prefer the lesser shitstorm that comes our way...

EU still has as many issues as NA just because we get less caring for
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22610 Posts
February 10 2015 22:35 GMT
#8339
On February 11 2015 07:03 Pandemona wrote:
Haha. I wish WoW would give us something to track this via armory rather than this stupid wowprogress which takes to long to upload

Aye it sucks having to follow the race by reading through 100's of posts in some thread on MMO-C.

Guess it is to much to expect Blizzard to show some more interest in reporting on it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
February 10 2015 22:36 GMT
#8340
On February 11 2015 07:35 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 07:03 Pandemona wrote:
Haha. I wish WoW would give us something to track this via armory rather than this stupid wowprogress which takes to long to upload

Aye it sucks having to follow the race by reading through 100's of posts in some thread on MMO-C.

Guess it is to much to expect Blizzard to show some more interest in reporting on it.

Why waste resources on something that only lasts a week at most I guess :/
Prev 1 415 416 417 418 419 591 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 22m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech122
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 2132
Larva 1855
Bisu 842
Zeus 195
ggaemo 83
ToSsGirL 73
910 60
Dewaltoss 43
Sea.KH 32
sorry 29
Other Games
gofns27840
XBOCT325
crisheroes186
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream12346
StarCraft: Brood War
Afreeca ASL 355
lovetv 14
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH350
• LUISG 28
• mYiSmile18
• Letter145
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1827
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
1h 22m
CranKy Ducklings
1d
AI Arena Tournament
1d 7h
BSL: Ladder Tournament
1d 9h
GSL
1d 22h
Yamato Cup
2 days
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Soma vs Jaedong
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Leta vs Soulkey
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Calamity Invitational
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.