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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
February 09 2015 18:49 GMT
#8321
These are the stat weights for a Combat rogue on single target, with and without 4set bonuses, at around 665 item level:

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So yeah, item level wins. By a metric fuckton. There are cases in which this isn't true (mastery and ww/mw monks for example), but they are very rare.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
nikj
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada669 Posts
February 10 2015 06:05 GMT
#8322
10/10 Normal 2/10 Heroic. :S Would have liked to get further this week in heroic but oh wells, I got a lot further in pugs than 90% of the guilds in my server.

Wish I could have gotten into some good pugs earlier in the week because it was painful the last few days, for me anyway. Furnace and Blackhand taking a lot of time. Ended up making my own group for Normal Blackhand after about 20 wipes with other groups, after seeing some of you guys say they beat it by just overgearing it. Only invited people 675+ and got it down in 8 attempts, the 7th attempt being a 1% wipe <100k HP. Better than I thought considering I'm not the most comfortable "leading" a group.

Kind of funny because the group I had before it had this guy Theories from the US 1st Heroic Blackhand kill but it was failing miserably. Though it wasn't his fault lol + Show Spoiler +
Here's the video of the kill
Y'know sometimes people ask me y'know like "What's your religion and stuff?" And I'm like "y' know it's like RTS." Uh, and they're like, "What's that?" And I'm like, "Y'know it's kinda like, kinda like Buddism."
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
February 10 2015 06:15 GMT
#8323
my guild spent around 40 wipes on H blackhand, didnt even get to p3 once our melee kept on popping slag bombs, and I felt like we were almost too good like killing the siegmakers because we always had to soak impales when no siegemakers were up.
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
yookstah
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia655 Posts
February 10 2015 06:28 GMT
#8324
We did a raid on an offday and ended up killing H blackhand. Pretty happy with the fact we killed it (ended up only taking 15 to keep numbers down).

http://i.imgur.com/ckLdSaU.jpg

looking forward to mythic \o/
"I'm saying that you are all the time aggressive. I say to you choose situations to be aggressive and not aggressive. I'm talking it" - Cooller
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
February 10 2015 06:33 GMT
#8325
On February 10 2015 15:28 yookstah wrote:
We did a raid on an offday and ended up killing H blackhand. Pretty happy with the fact we killed it (ended up only taking 15 to keep numbers down).

http://i.imgur.com/ckLdSaU.jpg

looking forward to mythic \o/

any advice on getting through p2 smoothly?
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
yookstah
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia655 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-10 12:33:57
February 10 2015 12:25 GMT
#8326
It's all based on tank positioning. Try and make sure you have the boss somewhat centralised ready to move away from the siegemaker spawn so it is easier for the hunter who is baiting the fixate to grab. A boomkin maybe +1 should only have to go up on the balcony - make sure the stack doesnt go to high when going up there. When they're maybe gonna die just get them to hop off.

Killing the siegemaker so no fire spawns makes the fight a lot better, too. Make sure ranged switch to it when the dmg reduction buff has been removed, and for the hunter to run it over bombs.

People pretty much can't die in p2. Save lust, cds (if possible) and 2nd pot for final phase when boss is in position
"I'm saying that you are all the time aggressive. I say to you choose situations to be aggressive and not aggressive. I'm talking it" - Cooller
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-10 12:32:51
February 10 2015 12:32 GMT
#8327
What we did in P2 was to have everyone dps the Siegemaker after its armour breaks, down to about 25-30%, the second set of marks should kill it. That way no fire spawns and everyone will have a far easier job moving around. Then the third set of marks should be soaked by a tank and someone else standing in front of it (we had a Windwalker do it).
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 10 2015 12:44 GMT
#8328
We wiped a few times in phase 2 because we have these people who like to either run over bombs or jump off balcony on bombs. We got to phase 3 like 4 out of 10 tries and instantly the tanks just go full retard and we get knocked into Africa or one of them gets hit off the edge TT
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-10 13:45:00
February 10 2015 13:44 GMT
#8329
The amount of people who get launched to africa in p3 blackhand is waaaay too high
yookstah
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia655 Posts
February 10 2015 16:30 GMT
#8330
Having tanks suicide for the last few smashes is a good idea, also.
"I'm saying that you are all the time aggressive. I say to you choose situations to be aggressive and not aggressive. I'm talking it" - Cooller
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
February 10 2015 16:38 GMT
#8331
Our p3 strat was to tank him on the edge of the arena with the ranged in the middle. Take first mines to the edges, other mines into active volcanoes. For smash, have tank and all the melee + a cd (smoke bomb first 2) stand towards the part of the circle facing the middle so they get knocked into the ranged group, pull Blackhand back to the edge, repeat. I think we had 1-2 people get knocked off on our successful attempt and it was our first with that strat.
PureMetal
Profile Joined December 2010
United States83 Posts
February 10 2015 19:45 GMT
#8332
Canceled my subscription today. Kinda bummed. I don't have enough time to dedicate to raiding, and my server wasn't the best player pool for raids anyway. I would have really liked to have seen heroic dungeons be more relevant. Rolling through LFR each week just felt a little defeating. I don't think Bliz needed to implement a token system again, but heroics being completely irrelevant this soon into the expansion was disappointing. There are some really cool fights and mechanics now that I would like to play around with more outside of questing.

PVP was pretty well done. It would have been cool if you could queue for a specific BG on rated with your group. This would have opened up an interesting meta for group comps. Arena was alright, felt a bit stale since everyone had some form of extreme dmg mitigation to cope with all of the extreme dmg buffs. I almost completely avoided 2v2 though because it wasn't fun playing against DK/x all the time. I'm a bit bias to the TBC arena era though. 3v3 had pretty good variety though.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 10 2015 20:03 GMT
#8333
Race has started!
http://www.wowprogress.com/

Blood Legion started on Beastlord Darmac and Midwinter downed Gruul. Wonder how many will be killed by the time EU steps in.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
February 10 2015 20:38 GMT
#8334
On February 11 2015 05:03 Pandemona wrote:
Race has started!
http://www.wowprogress.com/

Blood Legion started on Beastlord Darmac and Midwinter downed Gruul. Wonder how many will be killed by the time EU steps in.

I still really don't understand why they don't just release them all at the same time these days T_T
DCRed
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland435 Posts
February 10 2015 20:39 GMT
#8335
I was going to say bets on how long BL is going to keep #1 this time but it seems like they already delivered.
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
February 10 2015 21:47 GMT
#8336
On February 11 2015 05:38 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 05:03 Pandemona wrote:
Race has started!
http://www.wowprogress.com/

Blood Legion started on Beastlord Darmac and Midwinter downed Gruul. Wonder how many will be killed by the time EU steps in.

I still really don't understand why they don't just release them all at the same time these days T_T

Meh, I prefer the lesser shitstorm that comes our way...
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 10 2015 22:03 GMT
#8337
Haha. I wish WoW would give us something to track this via armory rather than this stupid wowprogress which takes to long to upload
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
February 10 2015 22:28 GMT
#8338
On February 11 2015 06:47 Duvon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 05:38 Drazerk wrote:
On February 11 2015 05:03 Pandemona wrote:
Race has started!
http://www.wowprogress.com/

Blood Legion started on Beastlord Darmac and Midwinter downed Gruul. Wonder how many will be killed by the time EU steps in.

I still really don't understand why they don't just release them all at the same time these days T_T

Meh, I prefer the lesser shitstorm that comes our way...

EU still has as many issues as NA just because we get less caring for
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21976 Posts
February 10 2015 22:35 GMT
#8339
On February 11 2015 07:03 Pandemona wrote:
Haha. I wish WoW would give us something to track this via armory rather than this stupid wowprogress which takes to long to upload

Aye it sucks having to follow the race by reading through 100's of posts in some thread on MMO-C.

Guess it is to much to expect Blizzard to show some more interest in reporting on it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
February 10 2015 22:36 GMT
#8340
On February 11 2015 07:35 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 07:03 Pandemona wrote:
Haha. I wish WoW would give us something to track this via armory rather than this stupid wowprogress which takes to long to upload

Aye it sucks having to follow the race by reading through 100's of posts in some thread on MMO-C.

Guess it is to much to expect Blizzard to show some more interest in reporting on it.

Why waste resources on something that only lasts a week at most I guess :/
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