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Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
February 08 2015 21:02 GMT
#8281
On February 09 2015 02:28 Drazerk wrote:
Just pugged 10/10 normal... really not looking forward to Iron maidens / blackhand on heroic

What'd you say the gear requirements are?
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
February 08 2015 21:18 GMT
#8282
On February 09 2015 06:02 Duvon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 02:28 Drazerk wrote:
Just pugged 10/10 normal... really not looking forward to Iron maidens / blackhand on heroic

What'd you say the gear requirements are?

670+ with our average being 676 or so
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
February 08 2015 21:42 GMT
#8283
On February 09 2015 06:18 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 06:02 Duvon wrote:
On February 09 2015 02:28 Drazerk wrote:
Just pugged 10/10 normal... really not looking forward to Iron maidens / blackhand on heroic

What'd you say the gear requirements are?

670+ with our average being 676 or so

:< I finished normal highmaul for the first time today. I guess I'll wait a bit on BRF.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4243 Posts
February 08 2015 21:56 GMT
#8284
Hey, I haven't done normal BRF yet, are there any good fast guides ?
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
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Nisyax
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Netherlands756 Posts
February 08 2015 22:14 GMT
#8285
The Khadgar puns are real when you hand in Blackhand's arm. "Are you armed"?
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
February 08 2015 22:18 GMT
#8286
On February 09 2015 06:42 Duvon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 06:18 Drazerk wrote:
On February 09 2015 06:02 Duvon wrote:
On February 09 2015 02:28 Drazerk wrote:
Just pugged 10/10 normal... really not looking forward to Iron maidens / blackhand on heroic

What'd you say the gear requirements are?

670+ with our average being 676 or so

:< I finished normal highmaul for the first time today. I guess I'll wait a bit on BRF.

Our group was a very very overgeared one that just wanted to one shot everything it isn't the normal requirement
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
February 08 2015 23:08 GMT
#8287
On February 09 2015 06:18 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 06:02 Duvon wrote:
On February 09 2015 02:28 Drazerk wrote:
Just pugged 10/10 normal... really not looking forward to Iron maidens / blackhand on heroic

What'd you say the gear requirements are?

670+ with our average being 676 or so


I was 668 and doing top 5 dps all the time, it seems like it's closer to 665 for normal up through blackhand/maidens, though having better geared people certainly helps.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-08 23:10:59
February 08 2015 23:10 GMT
#8288
I finally decided to man up and respec arcane/fire. Also, for those that were reading this thread before BRF release:

FALKSDJF;AKDJ;AJDF;AKFD NOT A SINGLE FUCKING TOKEN DROPPED OR COINED FJAS;DJF;ADKFJ
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
February 08 2015 23:48 GMT
#8289
I almost feel like I am cheating. Certain boss abilities that get randomly targeted on players NEVER target me when I am playing my Mistweaver. Examples are Tectus' Crystalline Barrage, Maidens' Blood Ritual and Penetrating Shot or Blackhand's Marked for Death. This is 100% reliable. I can even take advantage of this by positioning differently than the rest of the raid because I know this stuff will never target me.

Is this a known issue with Mistweavers? Can anyone confirm / deny with his own Mistweaver?
Off-season = best season
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22610 Posts
February 08 2015 23:53 GMT
#8290
On February 09 2015 08:48 Redox wrote:
I almost feel like I am cheating. Certain boss abilities that get randomly targeted on players NEVER target me when I am playing my Mistweaver. Examples are Tectus' Crystalline Barrage, Maidens' Blood Ritual and Penetrating Shot or Blackhand's Marked for Death. This is 100% reliable. I can even take advantage of this by positioning differently than the rest of the raid because I know this stuff will never target me.

Is this a known issue with Mistweavers? Can anyone confirm / deny with his own Mistweaver?

Mistweavers are counted as melee because of their ability to heal through (melee) damage.

Hence any ability that will not normally target a melee will not target a MW monk.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
February 08 2015 23:58 GMT
#8291
On February 09 2015 08:53 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 08:48 Redox wrote:
I almost feel like I am cheating. Certain boss abilities that get randomly targeted on players NEVER target me when I am playing my Mistweaver. Examples are Tectus' Crystalline Barrage, Maidens' Blood Ritual and Penetrating Shot or Blackhand's Marked for Death. This is 100% reliable. I can even take advantage of this by positioning differently than the rest of the raid because I know this stuff will never target me.

Is this a known issue with Mistweavers? Can anyone confirm / deny with his own Mistweaver?

Mistweavers are counted as melee because of their ability to heal through (melee) damage.

Hence any ability that will not normally target a melee will not target a MW monk.

Haha this is awesome and kinda broken. Explains why I have so often least damage taken in the raid. But it means I cant even brag about it. :/
Off-season = best season
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
February 09 2015 00:12 GMT
#8292
I can, I am a rogue and am generally at the bottom of damage taken because feint/cloak imba for aoe damage mitigation.

But yeah you are counted as melee, count it as a blessing =). It's super nice to not have to worry about some of that stuff.
pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
February 09 2015 00:36 GMT
#8293
On February 09 2015 08:48 Redox wrote:
I almost feel like I am cheating. Certain boss abilities that get randomly targeted on players NEVER target me when I am playing my Mistweaver. Examples are Tectus' Crystalline Barrage, Maidens' Blood Ritual and Penetrating Shot or Blackhand's Marked for Death. This is 100% reliable. I can even take advantage of this by positioning differently than the rest of the raid because I know this stuff will never target me.

Is this a known issue with Mistweavers? Can anyone confirm / deny with his own Mistweaver?


fyi, Blood Ritual can target anyone including melee.
Being a monk helps you a lot on Flamebender though
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
February 09 2015 00:43 GMT
#8294
On February 09 2015 09:36 pachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 08:48 Redox wrote:
I almost feel like I am cheating. Certain boss abilities that get randomly targeted on players NEVER target me when I am playing my Mistweaver. Examples are Tectus' Crystalline Barrage, Maidens' Blood Ritual and Penetrating Shot or Blackhand's Marked for Death. This is 100% reliable. I can even take advantage of this by positioning differently than the rest of the raid because I know this stuff will never target me.

Is this a known issue with Mistweavers? Can anyone confirm / deny with his own Mistweaver?


fyi, Blood Ritual can target anyone including melee.
Being a monk helps you a lot on Flamebender though

Ty, I just never got it on like 5 tries.
Off-season = best season
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-09 00:49:47
February 09 2015 00:47 GMT
#8295
On February 09 2015 05:27 SCC-Faust wrote:
Anyone here have a guild or group I can run with? I'm only ilvl 650 and I completely blow at this game. Just started at WoD, so new to WoW. I am a Windwalker Monk and can't find people to run Highmaul/BRF with. Constantly joining groups and they never start or fail consistently. I play on Deathwing-US so not sure if that matters or not. So if anyone can help me out or there is a teamliquid guild I can join that would be super awesome possum.

Bnet id Matthew#1109, character is Orlac-Deathwing

spam trade chat (/2) a few times asking for a casual guild. i'm sure a few people will message you back.

On February 09 2015 08:08 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2015 06:18 Drazerk wrote:
On February 09 2015 06:02 Duvon wrote:
On February 09 2015 02:28 Drazerk wrote:
Just pugged 10/10 normal... really not looking forward to Iron maidens / blackhand on heroic

What'd you say the gear requirements are?

670+ with our average being 676 or so


I was 668 and doing top 5 dps all the time, it seems like it's closer to 665 for normal up through blackhand/maidens, though having better geared people certainly helps.

yea, i wouldnt attempt blackhand normal unless everyone was 670+. overgearing adds buffer to mistakes, and pugs are full of mistakes.
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
February 09 2015 04:43 GMT
#8296
ilevel while a good idea of where people stand in gear is not always the case.

In my last pug there were quite a few people over 660 gear and only were middle of the pack on dps at best. In my last raid I was 2nd on gruul (behind a pally by 1.5k who was 20 ilevel higher than me) and top 1 on darmac (combat imba, I led by 1k over the aforementioned pally). I am only 653 but have my gear for the most part itemized properly for my specs (Have 4 items left for combat at 630, and unfortunately 7 items left for assa, although some of these are still high ilevel because they just out class the 630 assa items.

Itemization is much more important than ilevel. I've out dpsed almost every other rogue i've been in a raid with and most of them out gear me by 10-15 ilevels.

I do believe though that you should look for higher level gear people when pugging, but that isn't always true.

Maybe I also just hold a grudge against all of the groups that don't invite me because im only 653 =(.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
February 09 2015 05:34 GMT
#8297
Itemization is way less important than ilvl for most classes because primary attribute is worth like twice as much as secondary stats. There can be exceptions (like a warforged piece with your worst stats vs. a non-warforged with your best) but at 20 ilvls higher the sheer Agi or Str or Int gap will crush the worth of any secondaries in most cases.

In short: you probably outdps'd them because they were bad and you weren't.
rip
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 09 2015 09:13 GMT
#8298
Flew through Normal yesterday with guild, were all on mains but some of the people we have a few undergeared people. 80% of the raid is 670-673ilvl but we have 4-5 people under 666 ilvl. More than enough i agree but it still very one shoteable. Will do Normal blackhand tonight to finish then we will hit the rest of the heroic bosses before reset. A lot of stupidly under tuned fights, but then you hit blast furnace and maidens and like wut lol.
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-09 10:54:57
February 09 2015 10:54 GMT
#8299
I think blast furnace is actually perfectly fine, once we figured out how to handle p1 it wasn't a problem at all like the rest of the encounters. We are also averaging 670 ilvl. Keep in mind BRF normal is tuned for an average of 655 ish ilvl, not 670.

The one fight that felt like a pain in the ass was Blackhand, we had a shit raid composition when we tried him but we couldn't make it past phase2 because the adds on the stands just did too much damage.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 09 2015 10:59 GMT
#8300
Yeah Blast Furnace was ok too, we did the non split way as well because the split way imo is silly.
So we all run left kill that side, all run right kill that side. Kill Elementals and primal things, into last phase and dont mess up.
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