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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 29 2014 15:58 GMT
#7341
Link to your armory? I'll try and help
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21870 Posts
December 29 2014 16:01 GMT
#7342
On December 30 2014 00:21 Noocta wrote:
I kinda wish running heroic still gave you something worth getting.
WoW has never been like that, where there's literally zero reasons to go online beside raids and pvp. It's really unsettling for a lot of people.

So you mean its now the same as it was in TBC, Wrath, Cata and MoP?
Sorry but if anything garrisons give you more reason to log in then you had before. Once the initial grinds is done there has never been anything left to do except raid or pvp
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 29 2014 16:04 GMT
#7343
We should totally go back to Vanilla. There was so much more content back then! And classes were way more complex too, it all took more skill tbh.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
December 29 2014 16:14 GMT
#7344
On December 30 2014 00:58 Pandemona wrote:
Link to your armory? I'll try and help

tyty

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/kazzak/Ozv/simple

heres the link but mb shows me as arms

if it does its np my gear is the same just the oh is a 2h 630 hc weap

Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 16:20:40
December 29 2014 16:19 GMT
#7345
Ok gear looks fine to me, you seem to understand your stats; Strength > Crit > Mastery > Multistrike > rest
Might need to try re roll some stats if you can to get some more mastery but it seems you have enough. Crit is most important of course.

Rotation;
Berserker Rage if Enrage is not up
Wild Strike if you are at >100 Rage and the Target has >20% HP
Execute if you are at >100 Rage and the Target has <20% HP
Bloodthirst if Enrage is not up or you are at <80 Rage.
Execute if Sudden Death procced
Wild Strike if Bloodsurge procced
Execute if Enrage is up and the Target has <20% HP
Raging Blow
Wild Strike if Enrage is up and the Target has >20% HP
Bloodthirst on CD

Basically you want to:
keep Enrage up as much as possible.
be at ~80 Rage before using your major cooldowns.
use your cooldowns as often as possible and line those up with trinkets (while keeping the last Recklessness for the execute phase).
keep track of the Boss HP.

You don't want to:
overcap Rage .
waste Sudden Death and Bloodsurge proccs.

If you're doing that you should not be hitting lower than 17k unless you're using wrong talents on said fight. Kargath you should be at the point with bloodthirst at least proccing EVERY 2nd time to give you your raging blow. Wildstrike can be used even sub 100 rage if you have nothing else to press.
Charge > BT > no procs? > Beserker > RB > BT > no procs? > Wild Strike > BT etcetc
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Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
December 29 2014 16:24 GMT
#7346
okay im never capping and my rotation is pretty much what you wrote down
i think i fuck up my positioning i dont see any other answer
does jumping reset the swing timer ?
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 29 2014 16:26 GMT
#7347
Need to post logs for more indepth analysis than that to be honest. It sounds like you are either messing up your cooldowns, positioning or rotation somehow.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
December 29 2014 19:17 GMT
#7348
On December 29 2014 23:14 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2014 23:13 Kipsate wrote:
arcane is shit while running iirc, not sure about fire? Where are your hunters at that you have that job?


Me and the other mage take care of that because we are better/more vocal, careful etc etc. It's not the greatest situation but what can you do. Ice floes and instants are enough to cover the movement, so the problem isn't that.

Fire is ok while moving, not as good as some frost specs but much better than arcane. My plan was to go arcane for Butcher and Brackenspore and fire for anything else. Eventually i'll still go that route, but i need more practice and gear to pull the same numbers i could get as frost.


Scorch has been nerfed to the ground so you can't just run around spamming it anymore, you have to use ice floes too, but you have more instant casts to spend GCDs while running in fire (pyro procs, LB refreshes). It's slightly easier than arcane, but not that much better. Fire really shines because of the heavy and easy AOE damage, which makes it okay for brackenspore (given the adds are tanked close to the boss, and the boss close to the spores when possible, and given that the adds don't die too quickly), and great for tectus and the last boss. It's okay on the twins, not sure it's better than arcane though. Arcane seems to scale really well with gear, and it's probably going to be the go to spec for the next tier as it relies less on RNG than frost, and pulls really consistent high numbers. Only thing that sucks is that there are very few mastery gear pieces at the moment, but they don't have crit either usually, and not much multistrike.

We should totally go back to Vanilla. There was so much more content back then! And classes were way more complex too, it all took more skill tbh.

haha
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
December 29 2014 19:35 GMT
#7349
On December 30 2014 01:04 Teoita wrote:
We should totally go back to Vanilla. There was so much more content back then! And classes were way more complex too, it all took more skill tbh.

Especially the part where hunters had a melee attack as their 31 point talent and paladins had no attack moves. Oh, and where mages could not play fire for two tiers because everything was immune to fire. Good times.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 19:45:44
December 29 2014 19:44 GMT
#7350
On December 30 2014 04:35 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 01:04 Teoita wrote:
We should totally go back to Vanilla. There was so much more content back then! And classes were way more complex too, it all took more skill tbh.

Especially the part where hunters had a melee attack as their 31 point talent and paladins had no attack moves. Oh, and where mages could not play fire for two tiers because everything was immune to fire. Good times.


Are we forgetting the extremely complex mage rotations?

Regarding mages atm: scorch damage is shit but tbh our damage is so tied up to pyros, it ends up not being that terrible since it can still crit and proc stuff. Also ice floes. I figured with the mana regen buffs arcane would be better on brackenspore though, not sure on twins since quake is annoying as fuck.
Both fire and arcane scale obscenely well with gear (like, 100% guaranteed nerf, it's ridicolous), so yeah BRF will be happy fun times for us all. No matter the spec, mage dps is going to skyrocket through the fucking roof.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 29 2014 19:52 GMT
#7351
Are feral druids bad on Margok? Our feral druid is having trouble doing any significant dps(as in not higher then 18k by any stretch of the imagination).
WriterXiao8~~
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
December 29 2014 19:59 GMT
#7352
On December 30 2014 04:44 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 04:35 Squat wrote:
On December 30 2014 01:04 Teoita wrote:
We should totally go back to Vanilla. There was so much more content back then! And classes were way more complex too, it all took more skill tbh.

Especially the part where hunters had a melee attack as their 31 point talent and paladins had no attack moves. Oh, and where mages could not play fire for two tiers because everything was immune to fire. Good times.


Are we forgetting the extremely complex mage rotations?

Regarding mages atm: scorch damage is shit but tbh our damage is so tied up to pyros, it ends up not being that terrible since it can still crit and proc stuff. Also ice floes. I figured with the mana regen buffs arcane would be better on brackenspore though, not sure on twins since quake is annoying as fuck.
Both fire and arcane scale obscenely well with gear (like, 100% guaranteed nerf, it's ridicolous), so yeah BRF will be happy fun times for us all. No matter the spec, mage dps is going to skyrocket through the fucking roof.

We had one of our mages afk for the first half of MC to go and get pizza. He let his 9 year old sister play. We never noticed any difference. Vanilla was super hard.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
December 29 2014 20:03 GMT
#7353
i wasnt using bladestorm im a fucking retard
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
December 29 2014 20:04 GMT
#7354
On December 30 2014 04:59 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2014 04:44 Teoita wrote:
On December 30 2014 04:35 Squat wrote:
On December 30 2014 01:04 Teoita wrote:
We should totally go back to Vanilla. There was so much more content back then! And classes were way more complex too, it all took more skill tbh.

Especially the part where hunters had a melee attack as their 31 point talent and paladins had no attack moves. Oh, and where mages could not play fire for two tiers because everything was immune to fire. Good times.


Are we forgetting the extremely complex mage rotations?

Regarding mages atm: scorch damage is shit but tbh our damage is so tied up to pyros, it ends up not being that terrible since it can still crit and proc stuff. Also ice floes. I figured with the mana regen buffs arcane would be better on brackenspore though, not sure on twins since quake is annoying as fuck.
Both fire and arcane scale obscenely well with gear (like, 100% guaranteed nerf, it's ridicolous), so yeah BRF will be happy fun times for us all. No matter the spec, mage dps is going to skyrocket through the fucking roof.

We had one of our mages afk for the first half of MC to go and get pizza. He let his 9 year old sister play. We never noticed any difference. Vanilla was super hard.

Not as hard as warlocks were in TBC. Press 1 button every 60 seconds, and another button every 2 seconds for the rest of that time.
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
December 29 2014 20:16 GMT
#7355
On December 30 2014 01:04 Teoita wrote:
We should totally go back to Vanilla. There was so much more content back then! And classes were way more complex too, it all took more skill tbh.

Yeah dude I totally miss wasting 15min of my life flying from Orgrimmar to Silithus for AQ20 or Orgrimmar to Undericity to Kargath for MC BWL.

I totally miss it being impossible for busy people to get good pvp gear even if you were really good.

I totally miss travelling to northern barrens to sit in a 5min WSG queues into a premade 10man stack who are farming for Rank 14 and it's the only active WSG.

I totally miss feeling super-talented oneshotting ppl with aimed shot and ashjerthul

I totally miss having classes that only had 1 viable spec (sometimes not even 1 viable spec. rip druids, shit at everything)

I totally miss wiping on a boss. Having some people release their spirits because they died too close to the boss and some getting ressed by soulstone and starting ressing ppl. Then the trash had respawned inbetween so the raid had to die another time so all could get together to clear the trash again for another attempt at a boss.

I totally miss finally finding a group in trade chat. Travel across the world to UBRS and have some fucktard leave after the first boss so someone had to go all the way back again to search in trade. And if you didn't have a warlock you had to wait for them travelling all the way back again which usually lead to the group disbanding and you wasted a shitton of time.

The only thing I miss is that Mana actually was meaningful for dps classes. But that was from vanilla -> WotLK

Honestly, the thing that made Vanilla good was because literally the whole genre was pretty much new. Runescape, Tibia etc doesn't really compare. It was a whole new way of playing a game that made it exciting. It took me like 30 lvls before I knew what stats was good for a hunter. It doesn't matter how new and fresh a expansion will be, because it will never be new as Vanilla was. You had to figure out what a DoT did and why you shouldn't be spamming it etc. But saying classes were more complex and stuff is just false.
Favorite players: Gh and Zai
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 29 2014 20:38 GMT
#7356
He was being sarcastic
WriterXiao8~~
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 20:54:31
December 29 2014 20:49 GMT
#7357
Just went inside karazhan for the first time. HOOOLY SHIT i never expected it to be so fucking huge. I got lost!

WoW is so pisspoor in comparison to its older self

EDIT: This is quite ironic compared to the above posts lol.
Useless wet fish.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 29 2014 20:51 GMT
#7358
On the one hand yeah its nice but I really do not like clearing a lot of trash again.
WriterXiao8~~
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 29 2014 20:55 GMT
#7359
On December 30 2014 05:51 Kipsate wrote:
On the one hand yeah its nice but I really do not like clearing a lot of trash again.

I like trash
I also really hate LFG still existing. I miss having to find people in trade and actually going out in the world rather than instant TP.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 29 2014 21:09 GMT
#7360
What we need is more insta-kill snail trash just to wreck LFR's shit
Glorious SEA doto
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