Getting tired of looking for Highmaul pugs, so I've been leveling a priest as a healer.
First time playing healer in my 6 years playing ( vanilla up to early cata, came back for wod, always mained dps, still do )

I really enjoy the fact that you can level up a character all the way throught the dungeon finder.
I think there might be a bug with the rewards from random classic dungeons with it tho, because the damned bag always give me the same piece of loot.

FinestHour

United States18466 Posts

December 21 2014 02:13 GMT

#7082

not a bug

micronesia

United States24784 Posts

December 21 2014 02:23 GMT

#7083

Regarding loot council, I have no experience with it, but I'd think the only way it would work decently is if decisions are made about how loot should be distributed before the raid begins. If you have access to the loot tables ahead of time (do you normally?) a priority list can be made for who needs to get what. If the guild is aware of the priority list ahead of time, there should be less drama when items actually drop. This of course isn't fool proof but I agree, with proper execution, it's the best method for optimizing a guild for world-first achievements.

Cyro

United Kingdom20342 Posts

December 21 2014 02:26 GMT

#7084

On December 21 2014 10:17 Targe wrote:
wtf is loot council

LOL ok from looking at google that looks like a terrible idea

On December 21 2014 10:19 NotSorry wrote:

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A group of officers decide who gets loot based on "what's best for the guild" was a big issues back Aq40/naxx40 due to the legendary staff and tokens for gear being a new topic.

It's when the guild master decides that all of the BoE drops should go to the guild bank so that he can hand them out to the people in the guild that need them the most for mythic progression, before he changes his mind and auctions all of them to buy everlasting candles for one of his chars healing offspec and his best friend without consulting anyone

I agree it's the best method when used correctly, but there's so much potential for mistakes or even outright abuse that i'm quite far against it. If you have good management and a clear goal in mind with steps to distribute loot to reach that goal, perfect

Alabasern

United States4005 Posts

December 21 2014 02:35 GMT

#7085

That's unfortunate about your guild Cyro! You can grind in the wild with me~!

jubil

United States2602 Posts

December 21 2014 02:43 GMT

#7086

I've had some good experiences with loot council, the guild I was in that used it had a few pretty clear rules and guidelines of seniority/priority, but they also rotated regular members into the loot council every week so it wasn't only officer-run, and I think that helped keep things fair.

On the whole epgp is probably better for a larger/more casual guild, although it's not perfect. I still remember losing out on the guild first Heroic Solace of the Defeated (godly healer trink from TOC)...

On another note, I've been getting addicted to skirmishes, but losing a drawn-out 2s match as disc/x to a double "dps" is the new stupidest thing ever - ferals and rets I'm looking at you...

Kipsate

Netherlands45349 Posts

December 21 2014 03:23 GMT

#7087

Used to have MT prio+DKP system, now we just roll and use common sense+solidarity, which in a social guild seems to work just fine.

Noocta

France12578 Posts

December 21 2014 03:45 GMT

#7088

On December 21 2014 11:43 jubil wrote:
I've had some good experiences with loot council, the guild I was in that used it had a few pretty clear rules and guidelines of seniority/priority, but they also rotated regular members into the loot council every week so it wasn't only officer-run, and I think that helped keep things fair.

On the whole epgp is probably better for a larger/more casual guild, although it's not perfect. I still remember losing out on the guild first Heroic Solace of the Defeated (godly healer trink from TOC)...

On another note, I've been getting addicted to skirmishes, but losing a drawn-out 2s match as disc/x to a double "dps" is the new stupidest thing ever - ferals and rets I'm looking at you...

I had a RDruid/Hunter game vs Rogue/Ret that lasted 9 minutes.
I was so annoyed at how lame they could play and not die. And they were at one peel away from killing my druid in a single global pretty often.

Duka08

3391 Posts

December 21 2014 04:09 GMT

#7089

I haven't raided seriously in quite a bit, but back in TBC-ish at the peak my guild was exclusively loot council and it worked very well. If you have a guild/raid leader that's going to hoard gear or bank BoE's to make the guild (or himself) gold, you probably aren't doing well anyway, regardless of how you distribute loot

Targe

United Kingdom14103 Posts

December 21 2014 04:12 GMT

#7090

are you able to do heroic raids cross server then?

Ryndika

1489 Posts

December 21 2014 04:46 GMT

#7091

Loot council is the most optimal for progression. Most guilds are just dramanests and shitfuck all over the place and shouldn't use loot council. Basically if your raiders are interested in getting only loot you shouldn't use it.
I absolutely hate DKP because of all the tactics. Blind roll even worse. It feels counter intuitive because it hurts your own guild's progression but if your guild does not care about that and is in there just for loots maybe use need/greed or EPGP.

are you able to do heroic raids cross server then?

Yes. This is what I was going to do with a guild.

NotSorry

United States6722 Posts

December 21 2014 06:03 GMT

#7092

Wish I had the time to chase world firsts again, was always exciting and heartbreaking.

Alventenie

United States2147 Posts

December 21 2014 06:15 GMT

#7093

When I raided in Vanilla and TBC we used a butchered type loot council system. With loot tables out before the dungeon really released you were required to make a list of what items you wanted (ie you were given a list of 1-7 for items from bwl, and you had to rank them from what you wanted the most to what you wanted the least). Then they would just post a list in the officer forums of who ranked what items and just listed them out based on drops. If I was supposed to get the first one and I wasnt there, it just went to the second person.

The only exception to this was our main tanks for the guild. We had 3 and we always prioritized them on progression and thus gave them strictly tanking items first regardless of lists so we could progress through the instances. We weren't the best guild but were like 130ish in the world so we made server firsts on most instances (Had one horde guild that competed with us and usually we were neck and neck).

Once you had the instance on farm status and no one had an item listed when it dropped, it was rolled for either off specs (our main tanks wanting to get pvp gear/healer druids wanting boomkin gear/etc) or sharded. We had almost no problems until the very end of my raiding part where there was some drama (unrelated to loot) between officers and 2 officers left. Shortly after they migrated off the server and I stopped playing though.

I think in a sensible way as stated before, common sense is the best route and knowing your goals as a guild. If you are wanting to progress then gear is needed to do that and everyone you want to progress with should have priority on the gear before off specs/alt characters in the raid. If you aren't then who cares what system you have.

Also Cyro If you are EU Alliance i'll raid with you any time (albeit im not as good since my rogue is only 645 gear and monk is just hitting heroics at 628 gear)

Firebolt145

Lalalaland34504 Posts

December 21 2014 06:21 GMT

#7094

On December 21 2014 11:43 jubil wrote:
On the whole epgp is probably better for a larger/more casual guild, although it's not perfect. I still remember losing out on the guild first Heroic Solace of the Defeated (godly healer trink from TOC)...

That trinket was so good, you basically didn't have a mana bar after acquiring one of them. So broken in PvP.

Also Cyro is a nasty blood elf.

Ethelis

United States2400 Posts

December 21 2014 07:03 GMT

#7095

Loot Council is fantastic if it doesn't cause drama and the people in control of it aren't retarded and actually keep themselves well informed from all classes. I tend not to like DKP but that's cause i haven't been in a guild where it was pretty stupid.

I can totally understand though those who hate it if it was handled by complete morons or had shitter guildmates who whined over loot (if GM/officers weren't incompetent)..

Salazarz

Korea (South)2591 Posts

December 21 2014 08:47 GMT

#7096

Loot council is like communism. Great if everyone is on the same page, doesn't work out longterm because even the best people turn into retards after one too many purples they wanted goes off to someone else. Pretty sure most guilds, even the very close-knit and buddy-buddy ones, drop loot council as soon as the initial progression rush is over, there's just too much potential for unnecessary drama if you stick to it for too long. It's without a doubt the best system while you're challenging for top world rankings though, at least as long as your council actually understands how items affect each given class l0l.

Thorakh

Netherlands1788 Posts

December 21 2014 09:45 GMT

#7097

Loot council is the best system when your officers are great and your raiders are not loot whores. It is the worst system when your officers are biased and/or clueless and your raiders throw a tantrum each time they did not get a piece of gear they wanted.