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On November 30 2013 17:23 akatama wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 14:44 micronesia wrote:
Yea I hate killing three raid bosses and not getting a single drop for the Wratheon quest... it did happen today! I wonder how far into WoD you will need to go in order to get a better cloak than the legendary one from MoP. 6 weeks worth of LFR, flex and Normal, no trinket off Immerseus and only the LFR version of the caster trinket off Dark Shamans (also coining both bosses on Normal every week). But it's ok, you can coin 22 gold as compensation...
my 25man hc guild has 5 immerseus trinkets, of which 3 are from bonus rolls, over 10 ids. They just dont drop for us 
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On November 30 2013 19:39 Masq wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 14:44 micronesia wrote:
Yea I hate killing three raid bosses and not getting a single drop for the Wratheon quest... it did happen today! I wonder how far into WoD you will need to go in order to get a better cloak than the legendary one from MoP. safe to assume theyll limit the proc above lv 90
I have no idea what this means; please someone explain.
Separate: my sister recently tried playing Wow, but she uses her mouse in her left hand (she doesn't use her right hand for things that will strain it such as mouse use) and is putting her right hand on the keyboard. I'm trying to advise her on how to set up her interface, but I'm not sure... currently she's using the arrow keys which is bad because you can't even strafe. Maybe she could bind the six movement commands to her numeric pad (4,6 to turn, 5 for backwards, 7,9 for strafe, 8 for forward) but she still won't have access to most shortcut commands without moving one of her hands; either the hand off the mouse or the other hand away from the movement keys.
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Lalalaland34507 Posts
Use IJKL for movement and keys around it. Basically a mirrored WASD.
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What about all the shortcut keys? Just remap them all to nearby buttons?
I know j is normally for the guild window, i is for the dungeon finder, k is for professions, and l is for the log (etc), and most of the other nearby buttons are used for other equally important things! Maybe someone has a map they made that works well and they shared it with the community of left-handed players?
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You will probally have to remap everything if you want a good setup. WASD isn't an option? You don't really need the right side shortcuts when you are moving/fighting.
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Italy12248 Posts
Yeah you can just remap everything. I mean, i have basically every class spell bound between f1-f5 and z-b, i don't see why should couldnt do f6-f9 and b-period (eventually).
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On December 01 2013 00:51 micronesia wrote:
What about all the shortcut keys? Just remap them all to nearby buttons?
I know j is normally for the guild window, i is for the dungeon finder, k is for professions, and l is for the log (etc), and most of the other nearby buttons are used for other equally important things! Maybe someone has a map they made that works well and they shared it with the community of left-handed players?
That stuff isn't important, she can bind it to the other side of the keyboard.
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I'm a lefty. I just use wasd. ijkl might be a more natural place for your hand, but I am tired of remapping everything for all games and just got used to using wasd. Bind all the important things to the keys around it.
One advantage of ijkl is that if you're used to blind typing, the movement to shift is more natural, but it's pretty easy to get used to hitting shift with your thumb and actually allows more flexibility than with your pinky.
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You guys make it seem like coming up with a plan to 'remap everything' is so easy. I have weeks of playtime on my characters and just now do I finally know most of the default shortcuts lol... no way in hell my sister will have any idea of how to do it herself. If she isn't using the same 'map' as me it's also more difficult for me to provide her help over chat. This isn't a huge problem, but I wouldn't say it "isn't important" either.
SKC: I don't think wasd is an option because it's too far to the left to put your right hand on, without shifting all of your i/o devices a foot to the right.
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If it helps your remapping problems...
![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/48kkp)
this is the UI i use..
That is on arena-tournament i use no addons and was rank 1 there in all brackets enjoy
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On December 01 2013 01:43 micronesia wrote:
You guys make it seem like coming up with a plan to 'remap everything' is so easy. I have weeks of playtime on my characters and just now do I finally know most of the default shortcuts lol... no way in hell my sister will have any idea of how to do it herself. If she isn't using the same 'map' as me it's also more difficult for me to provide her help over chat. This isn't a huge problem, but I wouldn't say it "isn't important" either.
SKC: I don't think wasd is an option because it's too far to the left to put your right hand on, without shifting all of your i/o devices a foot to the right.
Well, my girlfriend tried playing a bit. She doesn't play computer games, so the whole thing was completely new to her. Most of the time she just clicked the skills with the mouse. She ran around with the arrow keys. When I looked on in amazement and asked her why she didn't use the shortcuts she said that she couldn't remember what did what, and it was easier to just click.
As for moving the IO devices: I play on a notebook, so moving the keyboard isn't an option and wasd works okay. But it's all personal preference. If her hand is simply not comfortable there, then it won't work. The arrow keys aren't the end of the world either. They're easy to find on most keyboards, which is important. Most of the time when it matters I move with the mouse, so maybe have her try that, and use the numpad for hotkeys?
EDIT: as for remapping... if you don't want to remap, wasd is pretty much your only option, because that's the default layout. For a lefty if you want minimal remapping, I STRONGLY recommend to remap jump from spacebar to something else, because spacebar is pretty awkward to hit when you've got your right hand on wasd.
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On December 01 2013 00:48 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 19:39 Masq wrote:On November 30 2013 14:44 micronesia wrote:
Yea I hate killing three raid bosses and not getting a single drop for the Wratheon quest... it did happen today! I wonder how far into WoD you will need to go in order to get a better cloak than the legendary one from MoP. safe to assume theyll limit the proc above lv 90 I have no idea what this means; please someone explain. Separate: my sister recently tried playing Wow, but she uses her mouse in her left hand (she doesn't use her right hand for things that will strain it such as mouse use) and is putting her right hand on the keyboard. I'm trying to advise her on how to set up her interface, but I'm not sure... currently she's using the arrow keys which is bad because you can't even strafe. Maybe she could bind the six movement commands to her numeric pad (4,6 to turn, 5 for backwards, 7,9 for strafe, 8 for forward) but she still won't have access to most shortcut commands without moving one of her hands; either the hand off the mouse or the other hand away from the movement keys.
As for turning/strafing I use the right mouse button for it. Because it moves you with the camera is makes your turn become a strafe if you hold down right mouse button, plus it lets you turn a lot tighter the the keyboard does by moving forward and turning your camera with the right mouse button.
As for more shortcuts. the keypad might be the way but depending on your keyboard setup the ins/home/ect buttons might be nearby aswell.
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I would just rebind the equivalent of A and D to strafe left and right, and it would force her to learn to mouse turn rather than keyboard turn. Fits more with FPS games etc as well.
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On November 30 2013 22:46 Warri wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 17:23 akatama wrote:On November 30 2013 14:44 micronesia wrote:
Yea I hate killing three raid bosses and not getting a single drop for the Wratheon quest... it did happen today! I wonder how far into WoD you will need to go in order to get a better cloak than the legendary one from MoP. 6 weeks worth of LFR, flex and Normal, no trinket off Immerseus and only the LFR version of the caster trinket off Dark Shamans (also coining both bosses on Normal every week). But it's ok, you can coin 22 gold as compensation... my 25man hc guild has 5 immerseus trinkets, of which 3 are from bonus rolls, over 10 ids. They just dont drop for us
Fuck warri, you still play? Where are you raiding?
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On December 01 2013 08:02 Satire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 01:43 micronesia wrote:
You guys make it seem like coming up with a plan to 'remap everything' is so easy. I have weeks of playtime on my characters and just now do I finally know most of the default shortcuts lol... no way in hell my sister will have any idea of how to do it herself. If she isn't using the same 'map' as me it's also more difficult for me to provide her help over chat. This isn't a huge problem, but I wouldn't say it "isn't important" either.
SKC: I don't think wasd is an option because it's too far to the left to put your right hand on, without shifting all of your i/o devices a foot to the right. You could get her one of those WarCraft mice with the 1-9 buttons on the side. That way she could still use the arrow keys and the shift/ctrl/alt keys are close enough she could use those to bind the rest of the buttons.  Also obligatory UI post: ![[image loading]](http://s8.postimg.org/7luvl23xd/Wo_WScrn_Shot_113013_155855.jpg) PS - the original WoW UI is just dandy actually. I used it pretty much up until MoP. I tried this arrangement because I liked having bigger buttons on my CD spells.
If you've never used anything else, the WoW UI is fine, but you really start to notice some little things if you play without UI after doing with. For instance, selling junk and auto-opening AH mails 
You'll also notice that using something like Bartender can save you a lot of space on your screen.
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I just recently remapped keybinds for 3 characters, wasn't that bad. Although I would just use WASD even if I were lefty. I had a lefty friend who I played CS with back in the day and he used WASD, granted theres not quite as many hotkeys in an fps but he did well with it.
Jumping on the UI screenshot bandwagon:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SOR2HXv.jpg)
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Italy12248 Posts
I use ESDF instead of WASD to have more keybindings, i don't really know why more people dont' do it. I find it super useful.
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I have always been a lefty and in all my games I use num5,1,2,3 as my movement keys and all other keys around it as shortcut. Tried ijkl, but it is the same as wsad - you will need to move your keyboard if you want your hand to be in natural position. I don't have enough space on my table so numpad it is!
So basically I have around 20 free keybinds not counting mouse buttons. It can be a problem for some classes that use unusually high amount of keybinds but for others it is not a problem if you are smart with macros (eg. all your dps CDs in one macro - or targetenemy/targetfriend).
In other games I have no problems at all.
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On December 01 2013 09:29 Teoita wrote:
I use ESDF instead of WASD to have more keybindings, i don't really know why more people dont' do it. I find it super useful.
I know of friends who do this and it makes sense, but it's a simple 'I am more used to WASD' from other FPS + MMORPG games etc. Plus hitting ctrl from resting on ESDF is annoying.
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