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Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
April 12 2016 15:56 GMT
#1901
On April 13 2016 00:19 GTR wrote:
Sky was to Human as Bisu was to Protoss.


Amen to that brother
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-13 13:56:17
April 13 2016 13:56 GMT
#1902
If you want to count it, then the biggest meta breaking thing to happen was the removal of LT, GW and other bigger maps in favor of much smaller maps, leading to more aggression/forced fights at the expense of lategame options.

Other than that, Farseer->Blademaster switch (and as a consequence, tc->sh as second heroes) imho wins by a small margin over mass dotts vs orc.

Sky was unique, but (ok my memory might not be perfect) I found that while his style was great, the two examples above were adopted by virtually any player of the respective race, almost rendering other strategies obsolete. I dont think the same could be said about sky, iirc many human players were still following other builds.

other big shifts as I remember it (not necessarily qualifying as meta-breaking):
shamans getting replaced by spirit breakers
riflemen being nerfed into oblivion
huntresses and elf fast expands disappearing
Dreadlord used to be a stable UD hero early in tft (both as first and second hero)
3point14
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany890 Posts
April 13 2016 14:23 GMT
#1903
Grubby doing an AMA on German esportssite readmore.de tomorrow on the 14th of April.
I think this is the thread: http://www.readmore.de/forums/90-esport/2-esport-allgemein/152866-ama-with-manuel-grubby-schenkhuizen
MrBarryObama
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)141 Posts
April 14 2016 04:12 GMT
#1904
Any tips for the single player? I'm doing a playthrough on Hard difficulty and every map is the same. Because of the supply cap and upkeep system, I can't just steamroll through everyone like I could in SC/BW. For example, I sit around, deflect attacks, attack one base, pull back, repeat. I can't be out of base long because the counter attacks are so strong, and it takes a long time to level a base. Not difficult, but boring; each level takes almost an hour. Same for Human, Undead, and Orc so far.
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
April 14 2016 04:19 GMT
#1905
On April 14 2016 13:12 MrBarryObama wrote:
Any tips for the single player? I'm doing a playthrough on Hard difficulty and every map is the same. Because of the supply cap and upkeep system, I can't just steamroll through everyone like I could in SC/BW. For example, I sit around, deflect attacks, attack one base, pull back, repeat. I can't be out of base long because the counter attacks are so strong, and it takes a long time to level a base. Not difficult, but boring; each level takes almost an hour. Same for Human, Undead, and Orc so far.


I have no idea what you are talking about bro......I beat the game on hard 3 times and it never felt that way to me.
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
April 14 2016 06:33 GMT
#1906
On April 14 2016 13:12 MrBarryObama wrote:
Any tips for the single player? I'm doing a playthrough on Hard difficulty and every map is the same.


every map has different layouts and objectives
=the same!
ok.

On April 14 2016 13:12 MrBarryObama wrote:
Because of the supply cap and upkeep system, I can't just steamroll through everyone like I could in SC/BW.


no shit its wc3 not sc. different kind of rts, learn to adapt

On April 14 2016 13:12 MrBarryObama wrote: For example, I sit around, deflect attacks, attack one base, pull back, repeat. I can't be out of base long because the counter attacks are so strong, and it takes a long time to level a base. Not difficult, but boring; each level takes almost an hour. Same for Human, Undead, and Orc so far.


what are towers+repair
what are TP scrolls
what is cheese
perhaps you should state particular mission you have trouble with rather than just whining
MrBarryObama
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)141 Posts
April 14 2016 07:15 GMT
#1907
Seems like I hit a nerve here. I meant that I have the same problem on each map. I'll try lots of defensive towers and tech, then army production. Examples of cheese?
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
April 14 2016 07:48 GMT
#1908
What kind of shitty attitude is this? The guy is having difficulty with the campaign, he did not ask for help in the right away and you start shit storming him?

You could literally just say, "What mission are you having difficulty with?" instead of that pile of shit you just wrote.
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-14 09:01:28
April 14 2016 08:53 GMT
#1909
On April 14 2016 16:48 WrathSCII wrote:
What kind of shitty attitude is this? The guy is having difficulty with the campaign, he did not ask for help in the right away and you start shit storming him?

You could literally just say, "What mission are you having difficulty with?" instead of that pile of shit you just wrote.


..because i cannot take the poster seriously? "boohoo i cannot amove a deathball and destroy everything in 1 second in wc3 like i can in sc2, have to waste 1 hour to properly strategise control and micro units, what a boring game". finding WC3 SINGLEPLAYER tedious, top kek.

call me elitist or whatever, just never thought i see the day where an sc2 poster whine about wc3 SP of all things. whining about SP HAHA. came much earlier than i expected lol.

i should have just posted the above instead now to think of it, so yeah thanks.



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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51578 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-14 09:14:03
April 14 2016 09:13 GMT
#1910
so i might be casting the wca korean qualifier next thursday live from the afreeca offices.
keep your eyes peeled.
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MrBarryObama
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)141 Posts
April 14 2016 11:07 GMT
#1911
On April 14 2016 17:53 Probemicro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2016 16:48 WrathSCII wrote:
What kind of shitty attitude is this? The guy is having difficulty with the campaign, he did not ask for help in the right away and you start shit storming him?

You could literally just say, "What mission are you having difficulty with?" instead of that pile of shit you just wrote.


..because i cannot take the poster seriously? "boohoo i cannot amove a deathball and destroy everything in 1 second in wc3 like i can in sc2, have to waste 1 hour to properly strategise control and micro units, what a boring game". finding WC3 SINGLEPLAYER tedious, top kek.

call me elitist or whatever, just never thought i see the day where an sc2 poster whine about wc3 SP of all things. whining about SP HAHA. came much earlier than i expected lol.

i should have just posted the above instead now to think of it, so yeah thanks.



Actually, I was talking about BW. And I wasn't whining, just explaining my situation. But you probably knew those things already.

I was hoping I could steamroll as Orc with only casters, like during nascent WC3:RoC multiplayer. Those were the days. Buildings require hard counters it seems.
3point14
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany890 Posts
April 14 2016 14:38 GMT
#1912
what I noticed in the campaign, is that there is usually one trick to every mission, that makes it much easier.
theres one mission in TFT where you have to kill 3 Naga bases with Maiev, Malfurion and Tyrande ("balancing the scales").
If you rush, the mission becomes rather easy; if you dont, the 3 bases will easily outroduce you and stream you to death.
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-14 15:01:35
April 14 2016 14:59 GMT
#1913
On April 14 2016 20:07 MrBarryObama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2016 17:53 Probemicro wrote:
On April 14 2016 16:48 WrathSCII wrote:
What kind of shitty attitude is this? The guy is having difficulty with the campaign, he did not ask for help in the right away and you start shit storming him?

You could literally just say, "What mission are you having difficulty with?" instead of that pile of shit you just wrote.


..because i cannot take the poster seriously? "boohoo i cannot amove a deathball and destroy everything in 1 second in wc3 like i can in sc2, have to waste 1 hour to properly strategise control and micro units, what a boring game". finding WC3 SINGLEPLAYER tedious, top kek.

call me elitist or whatever, just never thought i see the day where an sc2 poster whine about wc3 SP of all things. whining about SP HAHA. came much earlier than i expected lol.

i should have just posted the above instead now to think of it, so yeah thanks.



Actually, I was talking about BW. And I wasn't whining, just explaining my situation. But you probably knew those things already.

I was hoping I could steamroll as Orc with only casters, like during nascent WC3:RoC multiplayer. Those were the days. Buildings require hard counters it seems.

Yeah as far as i remember I often had half of my army consisting of siege units in the campaign. They are just that good for various reasons.
On lower difficulty, any unit composition might work though.
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2116 Posts
April 14 2016 23:55 GMT
#1914
How's the wiki going guys
John 15:13
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 15 2016 01:07 GMT
#1915
Units are incredibly durable in WCIII, use micro to abuse the AI, GET OUT EARLY with your hero(es) +even a few units out on the map, start creeping, get those levels. There are very little downsides to start poking at the enemy base/creeps from the very start of the level. Using items from the (build) shop also greatly improves hero useage.

Teching hardcore is often overated, get a good combination of units (e.g a fair amount durable melee units, a dps unit and support casters work.

Start early, use your heroes a fuckton is how you win Hard mode WCIII a lot faster in general.
WriterXiao8~~
FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4980 Posts
April 15 2016 02:21 GMT
#1916
On April 15 2016 08:55 AssyrianKing wrote:
How's the wiki going guys

could use some help :x
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51578 Posts
April 15 2016 05:59 GMT
#1917
Alright, got NetEase working. Can I get the WC3 client in English instead of Chinese though?
Commentator
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2116 Posts
April 15 2016 07:15 GMT
#1918
could use some help :x


I would, but I don't know jack haha
John 15:13
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
940 Posts
April 15 2016 09:31 GMT
#1919
My main problem with WC3 SP was how your resources were limited sometimes you basically had to scout and then press the retry to use the resources based on your information.

And the enemies special units were infuriating they could clean an army on a blink of an eye i remember that on some missions i had win by building a lot of production next to the enemy base.

And yup some missions could take hours but well not that BW didn't had missions like that (Any TvT, that final Protoss mission on Episode 4 and to Slay the Beast from the Zerg Episode 6).
:3
FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4980 Posts
April 15 2016 11:17 GMT
#1920
On April 15 2016 16:15 AssyrianKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
could use some help :x


I would, but I don't know jack haha

You don't know about wiki's or you don't know about wc3? ^^
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