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NibbloniaN
United States377 Posts
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TheWorldToCome
United States452 Posts
balance patch and new map pool coming, pretty cool! | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On March 16 2016 07:07 TheWorldToCome wrote: WC3 hype!!!!!!!!!!!!! balance patch and new map pool coming, pretty cool! Cant believe I missed the part about the new mappool. Great idea, only about 10 years late. Now I'm almost hyped myself. But I guess it only means the will replace gnoll wood and LT with some of the newer maps everyone knows anyway. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8309 Posts
Oh hey also, question, my buddy thinks that UD is overpowered because fiends are good against most things and frost wyrms and them share upgrades. When I beat him when he's undead and I'm Orc he says it's because blade master is also OP since he has WW which "forces detection". (I think that's bullshit, it shouldn't alter your strategy too much). So now I want to beat him as night elf and human. Any good tips, alternatively what do you guys think of the "Orc only beats fiend/garg/frostwyrm because blademaster OP" argument? (Usually I beat him with a mostly melee focused army with a few berserkers to up the damage, and raiders if he starts to get air). | ||
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lestye
United States4208 Posts
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shin ken
Germany612 Posts
On March 16 2016 15:05 TheDougler wrote: Any thoughts on what sort of balance changes there may be? Oh hey also, question, my buddy thinks that UD is overpowered because fiends are good against most things and frost wyrms and them share upgrades. When I beat him when he's undead and I'm Orc he says it's because blade master is also OP since he has WW which "forces detection". (I think that's bullshit, it shouldn't alter your strategy too much). So now I want to beat him as night elf and human. Any good tips, alternatively what do you guys think of the "Orc only beats fiend/garg/frostwyrm because blademaster OP" argument? (Usually I beat him with a mostly melee focused army with a few berserkers to up the damage, and raiders if he starts to get air). I don't know what lvl of play you are on, but on a relativly low level almost everything can look overpowered in the hands of a better player. In that regard WC3 isn't much different from Broodwar or SC2. I would just go through the results of recent small and big tournaments and show your friend how well UDs have fared. I he thinks they are OP, they must have won most but it's rather to the contrary (almost no UDs to begin with and if there are any, most drop out early with very few exceptions to the rule) | ||
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NibbloniaN
United States377 Posts
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On March 17 2016 01:21 NibbloniaN wrote: I played a few ladder games last night for the first time in like 8 years. So weird going from playing starcraft and dota to going back to wc3. The controls felt weird and the spells of the heroes threw me off "anti-mage doesn't have blink as a skill?...and he's not called anti-mage?" ha ha Yeah, I still have a unnatural hate for the demon hunter so that I still almost never play antimage. Also in wc3 dota, I basically never even tried to target a spell at enchantress. | ||
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SatsuinoHado
Bulgaria777 Posts
On March 17 2016 07:42 Mafe wrote: Yeah, I still have a unnatural hate for the demon hunter so that I still almost never play antimage. Also in wc3 dota, I basically never even tried to target a spell at enchantress. In my head its always DARK ranger and Warden and not Drow ranger and Phantom Assassin :D | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On March 17 2016 07:42 Mafe wrote: Yeah, I still have a unnatural hate for the demon hunter so that I still almost never play antimage. Also in wc3 dota, I basically never even tried to target a spell at enchantress. That mana burn is still the biggest blunder they made while doing warcraft3. Nah kidding, their biggest blunder was the lack of orc T3 but that stupid hero was boring as hell to face. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17756 Posts
On March 16 2016 17:17 shin ken wrote: I don't know what lvl of play you are on, but on a relativly low level almost everything can look overpowered in the hands of a better player. In that regard WC3 isn't much different from Broodwar or SC2. I would just go through the results of recent small and big tournaments and show your friend how well UDs have fared. I he thinks they are OP, they must have won most but it's rather to the contrary (almost no UDs to begin with and if there are any, most drop out early with very few exceptions to the rule) UD is not OP. Sure, some things might seem brutal, but the army is only as strong as its heroes and no other army relies on heroes so much as UD. Fiends are only good if you have DK to support them (coil for healing and aura to make their movement speed anything better than a crawl). Also, why does your friend even make wyrms? Against OR you want fiend/destro combo (you want it against pretty much anything, UD has the fewest viable army compositions of them all), perhaps with a sprinkle of banshees if you feel bold enough. Fiends are your bread and butter, destros support your army as statues and after t3 upgrade deal magic damage (OR weakness) and can consume spells to deal bonus dmg and have small AoE (and orcs like their spirit links, which destros counter ultra hard). And gargs are super weak vs orcs - piercing = shittiest damage type vs orc, bunched up with few hp means one batrider can counter 20 gargs... BM is bullshit hero. Way too strong but I wouldn't exaggerate with requiring detection (thankfully for UD, shades are cheap and very useful overall) since as soon as he reveals one coil/nova combo should drop his hp low enough for him to not be a factor - unless he stacks on pots, which is also good since it's economy going towards hero potions and not tech/army. | ||
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lestye
United States4208 Posts
If you have experience and knowledge of the history of War3, knowledgeable of the game's mechanics, or if you're like me and are just willing to dumpster dive on old Gosugamers/TL threads for the community, I want to encourage you to say something here: https://www.reddit.com/r/WC3/comments/4ataej/wc3_liquipedia_recruitment_thread/ so we can show Liquipedia staff there's a group of motivated people willing to work to put it all together. They can't just bend over backwards for us, we need to show that there's interest in developing and maintaining it. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17756 Posts
Good luck with it though, would love to see it work out. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On March 18 2016 07:16 lestye wrote: Hey guys just you know, a few of us on the war 3 subreddit got the attention of Liquipedia staff, because we've been wanting a War3 Liquipedia for a long time, as it is mentioned several times in this thread. If you have experience and knowledge of the history of War3, knowledgeable of the game's mechanics, or if you're like me and are just willing to dumpster dive on old Gosugamers/TL threads for the community, I want to encourage you to say something here: https://www.reddit.com/r/WC3/comments/4ataej/wc3_liquipedia_recruitment_thread/ so we can show Liquipedia staff there's a group of motivated people willing to work to put it all together. They can't just bend over backwards for us, we need to show that there's interest in developing and maintaining it. That's amazing. I'll sign up! I may not have the time to do too much, but I'll be happy to contribute as much as I can. I started this thread after all, heh. I'll post on the reddit thread. | ||
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lestye
United States4208 Posts
There were WC3's share of.. uneventful years so I don't see it as this overwhelming feat where we have 14 years of thousands of tournaments. | ||
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lestye
United States4208 Posts
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B2W.Neo
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Check vs. Yumiko ReMinD vs. Zhou_Xixi FoCuS vs. Colorful Lucifer vs. xiaoKK Info: https://www.reddit.com/r/WC3/comments/49n71m/lawliet_cup_2_korea_vs_china_clanwar_march_21st/ Stream: http://twitch.tv/back2warcraft | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23579 Posts
On March 28 2016 04:12 zul wrote: oh yeah - grubby is streaming orc atm and >8k fans are watching. <3 wc3 Grubby is streaming wc3 every weekend now I think, so awesome  .monday - friday: heroes saturday - sunday: wc3 | ||
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
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