On March 31 2020 00:31 Harris1st wrote: He had a racial slur outburst and you wonder why twitch banned him? o.O They ban for far less
And since his twitch is banned because he has the racist stamp on him (deserved or not, I don't know) it makes sense for tournament organizers to ban him as well
The ban isn't surprising. But 6-12 months from all tournaments and permanent ban on twitch? That's a career capital punishment, and it would be insane to even remotely entertain such a harsh punishment for anyone in any other sport. For reference, this is the same punishment that Blizzard initially gave Blitzchung (+ his price money), and that was a planned political outburst which they sought to punish with a figurative death sentence. The public backlash from the severity of that punishment should be known to everyone here.
And then people have the gall to whine that he deserves worse. Like I said, I was not aware that the W3 community was as toxic as I now perceive it to be.
100% agree with you.
Here is a post made by Gascan on reddit about this and other this type of situations, double standards, etc. It is an interesting read. Would like to hear your opinion about it -->
I couldn't possibly put it better than Khaldor himself:
The more you win the less you get punished for bad behavior. Not unique to WarCraft 3, the same situations existed in StarCraft II and many other Esports titles.
What annoys me quite a bit is not only that there is a significant double standard that exists, but also that a person that makes a mistake is not allowed to redeem himself. It does not matter if one genuinely feels sorry for a mistake made and tries to apologies, to appease the mob the person has to be destroyed. It's honestly sad.
Punishment is absolutely warranted, but there should also be a way for a person to make amends for mistakes made. Especially if that person is not a serial offender.
Like I said earlier: This is more akin to lynching than any form of justice.
On April 02 2020 04:51 alpenrahm wrote: what suprises me the most is how Tod, despite his old age, actually manages to play at such a high level
It surprises me this surprises people, we’re seeing this now with WC3. Sports stars in physical sports like tennis and football can keep going until their late 30s at the highest level, in less physically demanding sports like golf and snooker far beyond that.
I guess historically eSports was only a young man’s game because the money wasn’t in it to make it attractive to pursue beyond your mid 20s, but we’re seeing now relative old guys like Moon still tearing it up.
On April 02 2020 04:51 alpenrahm wrote: what suprises me the most is how Tod, despite his old age, actually manages to play at such a high level
It surprises me this surprises people, we’re seeing this now with WC3. Sports stars in physical sports like tennis and football can keep going until their late 30s at the highest level, in less physically demanding sports like golf and snooker far beyond that.
I guess historically eSports was only a young man’s game because the money wasn’t in it to make it attractive to pursue beyond your mid 20s, but we’re seeing now relative old guys like Moon still tearing it up.
It might also be the fact that WC3 is more of a thinking man's game rather than being mechanically demanding. You don't need 400apm like in SC or split-second twitch reflexes like in FPS games.
I guess historically eSports was only a young man’s game because the money wasn’t in it to make it attractive to pursue beyond your mid 20s, but we’re seeing now relative old guys like Moon still tearing it up.
Or because Moon and the other wc3 old pros were actually the 1st (maybe 2nd ) generation pro gamers in the history of mankind, so they are the 1st who got old and could try to play competitively at old age
On April 02 2020 04:51 alpenrahm wrote: what suprises me the most is how Tod, despite his old age, actually manages to play at such a high level
It surprises me this surprises people, we’re seeing this now with WC3. Sports stars in physical sports like tennis and football can keep going until their late 30s at the highest level, in less physically demanding sports like golf and snooker far beyond that.
I guess historically eSports was only a young man’s game because the money wasn’t in it to make it attractive to pursue beyond your mid 20s, but we’re seeing now relative old guys like Moon still tearing it up.
100% agreed
hope that the myth that you're "too old to play e-sports" when you're over 30 years old is finally done with.
I was much better at video games during my teen years where I played warcraft 2 at a high level and fighting games on a highly competitive level (pre-online gaming days). As I got older I still enjoy playing games but my competitive drive isnt really there anymore and my overall "skills" in these games have dropped off. The only motivation I have to win is that I truly hate to lose. I recognize that everyone has a ceiling on how strong they can get and once you hit that its hard to continue to push yourself.
On April 03 2020 05:19 RandomPlayer416 wrote: I dunno if its a myth.
I was much better at video games during my teen years where I played warcraft 2 at a high level and fighting games on a highly competitive level (pre-online gaming days). As I got older I still enjoy playing games but my competitive drive isnt really there anymore and my overall "skills" in these games have dropped off. The only motivation I have to win is that I truly hate to lose. I recognize that everyone has a ceiling on how strong they can get and once you hit that its hard to continue to push yourself.
Or maybe you just used to play more when you were younger and therefore your skill was bigger? ...
On April 03 2020 05:19 RandomPlayer416 wrote: I dunno if its a myth.
I was much better at video games during my teen years where I played warcraft 2 at a high level and fighting games on a highly competitive level (pre-online gaming days). As I got older I still enjoy playing games but my competitive drive isnt really there anymore and my overall "skills" in these games have dropped off. The only motivation I have to win is that I truly hate to lose. I recognize that everyone has a ceiling on how strong they can get and once you hit that its hard to continue to push yourself.
Or maybe you just used to play more when you were younger and therefore your skill was bigger? ...
Potentially. But pro-gamers who grow old would have the same life responsibilities coming up even if their job is the game.
My point was that I would always hit a ceiling in the games I took seriously regardless of my age.
Compare learning Brood war to SC2. It took much longer because the content wasn't easily available like it was when SC2 was released. So I am assuming that gaming 15-20 years ago allowed everyone to feel like "hey I can always get better if I keep playing". But now match making is much more evolved and the games do a pretty good job of telling you where your skills lie. You find out when you level off and for a vast majority of gamers you simply cannot consistently break through and be competitive with players in the next tier up.
It's about Blizz has heard the fans and has announced "Warcraft 3: Reforged: Remastered" with another 50 GB huge patch, for just 30 more bucks and with no features at all but only 2 races and no rendered videos. Basically Warcraft 2 I guess ^^
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