EPTI played one game vs KotG so far and the early game presence he has seems insane. I got way behind early on (playing UD).
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Musicus
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I played one game vs KotG so far and the early game presence he has seems insane. I got way behind early on (playing UD). | ||
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HolydaKing
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Can easily imagine it to be strong, it wasn't bad before the buffs. | ||
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Musicus
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https://liquipedia.net/warcraft/Shenkui_Cup https://www.twitch.tv/back2warcraft | ||
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Tchado
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On October 12 2018 20:38 Musicus wrote: If you like NE mirror, Shenkui cup top 4 is live! https://liquipedia.net/warcraft/Shenkui_Cup https://www.twitch.tv/back2warcraft Wow , top 4 NE , should I even be surprised ?????? | ||
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Weavel
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nojok
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Tchado
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On October 13 2018 01:42 nojok wrote: War3 has always been hard to balance, it was a very logical decision to stop touching the balance despite its rather poor state (lot of useless units and heroes, weak UD). I'm not surprised they fucked up. I dont think its a major fuck up , tons of the new balance we saw this year was actually very beneficial for all. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
Overall I think the patches are great and the game is tons of fun. | ||
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Musicus
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SatsuinoHado
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On October 21 2018 17:45 SatsuinoHado wrote: The moment hu ud and orc start to play with nukers like before is the moment everyone will see how fragile and weak kotg is. But if you want to out do a caster with 2 dispelable spells without dispel or proper nuke you are done for. In november finals of WGL i bet there even top elfs wont get top 3 Well assuming perfect balance (and equal numbers of players for all races), there's a 42% chance of no nightelves making top3 anyway, so I dont really see how this could be taken to prove anything. | ||
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B2W.Neo
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KEEPER NERFED HUMAN BUFFED Patch notes by Mafee & bareunnamu https://old.reddit.com/r/WC3/comments/9qfugx/ptr_balance_updates_october_19ish/ All info here on YouTube: | ||
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lestye
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Wooo! It looks like we're getting an American cup! | ||
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lestye
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byte-Curious
Mexico107 Posts
On October 24 2018 22:38 B2W.Neo wrote: You've most likely seen it on /r/wc3 already, but Blizzard secretly updated the PTR and changed the balance! KEEPER NERFED HUMAN BUFFED Patch notes by Mafee & bareunnamu https://old.reddit.com/r/WC3/comments/9qfugx/ptr_balance_updates_october_19ish/ All info here on YouTube: https://youtu.be/NICu2o-ExM4 Why is Brilliance aura not the default skill at Level 5? By that point, you usually have a level 3 MK at least, who benefits massively from Brilliance, which is to say nothing of Sorceresses and Priests. Another Invisibility or two slows per Sorceress should more than make up for the weaker water elemental. | ||
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Amarok
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On October 25 2018 21:13 byte-Curious wrote: Why is Brilliance aura not the default skill at Level 5? By that point, you usually have a level 3 MK at least, who benefits massively from Brilliance, which is to say nothing of Sorceresses and Priests. Another Invisibility or two slows per Sorceress should more than make up for the weaker water elemental. Water Tauren are enormous. I think you could make an occasional case for level 3 Brilliance but not for it to be the default. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On October 26 2018 12:17 Amarok wrote: Water Tauren are enormous. I think you could make an occasional case for level 3 Brilliance but not for it to be the default. Also I think you probably wont be going sorcs in 2 out of 4 matchups (vs ud and in mirror). Priests can heal indefinitely with lvl 2 aura for all practical purposes, so unless you need mass dispell, lvl 2 or lvl 3 aura doesnt make a big difference either. Sure in mirror you have mass breakers who would love the aura in other matchups, but in mirror there are no buffs to steal. | ||
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lestye
United States4278 Posts
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Agh
United States1110 Posts
Sentinel change is definitely good. The fact you could just tech mass hunts pinning your opponent to his with free maphack scout and creep from their base outward was just silly (with a free expansion behind it). Makes Skillmaster more viable as well but very few are going hunts at high level vs orc. Dryads are still probably the most oppressive unit in the game, only 'balanced' by a high wood cost. I think a fairly significant huntress wood cost increase and making sentinel like 50/50 with a faster upgrade speed would have been a better choice, that way you still wouldn't get a super fast expand/tech behind it like you currently do, and would make harass/wisp detonate more punishing. Transferring some of the Blacksmith's wood cost to gold would probably help Human the most. If they want to make pally attractive they should just tack on 5/10/15% magic damage reduction to devo aura. The militia nerf did very little except make it so Hu just auto veto Twisted meadows. Control magic will never used outside of FFA/4v4, just a qol change to go along with sentinel/sac skull/etc. Maps are going to dictate balance more than anything. | ||
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SatsuinoHado
Bulgaria777 Posts
On October 21 2018 18:42 Mafe wrote: Well assuming perfect balance (and equal numbers of players for all races), there's a 42% chance of no nightelves making top3 anyway, so I dont really see how this could be taken to prove anything. It proves that in wc3 like a lot other games the thing that people think is op is in fact the unwillingness of people to adapt and not blindly copy strats. Then again 99% of people just like to follow something they were convinced it is strong or optimal from top players. Anyone who played the game in its prime or at least watched the game can tell you about how people complained about tower rushes in Hu vs Ne then Creolopus defended 3 tower rushes with warden and 2 archers vs defend footmans and boom people overnight stopped doing it. I guess flavor of the month is considered op. If you try to outlast hero whos sole purpose early game is pickoffs and midgame long battles with multiple entangles they will lose. In 1 2 months when people start to farm with almost to no units and start to harass elfs and this keeper is exposed to his weakness but for now I guess we "discuss" how to nerf a hero instead of how to counter hero. Fyi this game did not have single patch for 10 years and this game continued to be played proffesionally with new different strats for years before Sc2 killed it. | ||
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