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Development ended, game appears to be dead.
https://forums.artillery.com/discussion/911/end-of-development
-Jinro
GamanNo
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden63 Posts
September 10 2016 13:19 GMT
#921
Anyone knows if today's tournament will be streamed?
_Spartak_
Profile Joined October 2013
Turkey443 Posts
September 10 2016 13:35 GMT
#922
Apparently developers are working to implement a spectator mode for the tournament. It will probably be streamed on game's official twitch channel:

https://www.twitch.tv/guardiansofatlas
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-10 14:40:30
September 10 2016 14:38 GMT
#923
On September 10 2016 09:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2016 07:29 Spyridon wrote:
On September 09 2016 10:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On September 09 2016 08:56 Spyridon wrote:
There are not billions to be made in most genres nowdays. Very few games reach that number at all, I'm not sure why your bringing it up.


lots and lots of multibillion dollar franchises.
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_game_franchises

I'm talking about getting ATVI to commit resources to RTS. Their best guys are not going to work on RTS. They've got bigger fish to fry. Where oh where is Rob Pardo now?

check the role call on ATVI's investor page and you'll see a line up of multi-billion dollar franchises and Overwatch is not included in that list. Overwatch is well on its way to becoming another multibillion dollar ATVI franchise.

and after 18 years SC can't even compile $1 billion in cumulative all time sales. Overwatch already blew every Blizz RTS release ever out of the water with both guns.


You said "multibillion dollar games", now your changing it to "franchises"... And those are how many products sold, not how much made in sales.

Regardless, sales typically equate to games that are either established franichises before gaming (such as Star Wars), or games that have been nearly unanimously praised. How many of those franchises on the "at least 100 million" section did not receive user reviews of at least 9.0 at some point? None of them.

Besides, your numbers are skewed, and the site you linked destroys your whole theory. Have a look:

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_Blizzard_games

What is the #1 selling Blizzard franchise (as of the date of that site that your using your statistics from)? That's right, StarCraft!

Overwatch blew up all Blizzards records, what's your point? Overwatch has a WAY WAY WAY better reception than StarCraft 2 ever did as well.

On September 09 2016 10:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

the genre does not generate enough money to buy his interest. if Pardo designs another game you can be damn sure it won't be an RTS.


This is COMPLETE heresay. You have no evidence supporting this, and Pardo has actually DISCUSSED future RTS's. So there's evidence completely AGAINST your theories.

Blizzard is even working on reviving BW, why would they do that if they didn't see any money? You make absolutely no sense.

Regardless, RTS was always a niche genre. It was NEVER the most popular, it was never "where the money is". Blizzard has always been good at making money in the genre tehy choose. They made money in RTS when the only other companies that EVER had RTS success can be counted on one hand. They made MMO a smash hit when MMO's were not very popular. Action RPG barely existed before them. They made a successful MOBA in a market flooded with MOBA's. They turned online CCG's in to a huge craze with Hearthstone. Now their working on turning FPS in to something bigger than just a game.

Except for FPS and MOBA, every other one of their major properties was in a genre that "does not generate enough money to buy interest". Which means your message is false, they don't go by the books, they don't pick a genre that is "safe", they pick a genre that is "untapped but has potential"!

There's evidence of Blizzard disagreeing with basically every one of your sentiments, yet you still believe it. W/e, more power to you.

In the end, you focus way too much on the wrong things. You focus on "market profitability" - that's the exact focus that has led to the biggest failures in gaming in the last 15 years. Activision, EA - how many mistakes have they made by focusing on "market profitability" rather than a good game? Dozens. How many series did they make with decreasing reviews each iteration? Dozens. How many series that were extremely popular did they completely burn to the ground with the tactics focusing on profitability over a good game? Dozens. How many times have they released a game before it was "ready"? Dozens. How many times have any of those companies released a game that wasnt ready and did not have it explode in their face? None.

Alternatively, how many games had the #1 priority to make a SOLID GAME, rather than MARKET PROFITABILITY, then made MILLIONS? Most of the biggest games out right now did EXACTLY that - DOTA, LoL, CS, Rocket League to name a few off the top of my head. If you make a solid game, the sales come. That's the thing Activision and EA never understood. Blizzard understands this too, although they have been pushed in to certain things & lost their way from time to time. When they "take the time" to "release it when it's ready", they knock it out of the park (like Overwatch). When they don't, and when they claim a game will be out in march 2016 after the "longest beta ever" then rush to release it EARLY after doing a major overhaul of mechanics with under 2 weeks of beta testing? It fails like LotV, and pushes away the fans of the game to other games who showed more love & caring for what they create.



Starcraft is a franchise. its been around 18+ years. Sigaty stated nothing Blizz makes will compete with SC2 for the next 10 years. This means for multiplayer-RTS the Blizz games are producing enough revenue to justify 1 full release and 2 expansions across a 22 year time span. Blizzard's actions speak louder than your words.

SC , as a franchise, still has not made $1 Billion. Lots of ATVI products have. Blizzard dedicates more resources to franchises that make more money.

Blizzard has many many great RTS games and they have not generated the kind of revenue their other franchises have. As a result.... again.. ..we get 1 full game across a 22 year time span.

If you are not satisfied with Blizzard's RTS offerings you are more than welcome to do what every consumer has the choice of doing... seek something better elsewhere.

Artillery Games is one such company offering an alternative. Let's see what happens with this game.


How many other games made at or before when sc1 was made have netted more than 1 billion in revenue? You can't compare the revenues of games that came out almost 20 years ago with games that came out much more recently. I think if you created an RTS as genre defining as the original wc3 or sc1 today, it would hit 1 billion in revenue over its lifespan, especially if you add in micro transaction components.

Edit: Also if you want to see what blizzard's biggest failure has been, it's probably Heroes of the Storm, which is a genre with a very large appeal.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17403 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-10 14:58:32
September 10 2016 14:58 GMT
#924
boring discussion of ATVI franchises
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the ENTIRE SC franchise from SC1 on March 31,1998 ( the eve of Raven's US Title Speech on Monday Nitro) up until SC2 LotV in November of 2016 has not made $1 billion. That's 18 years of revenue. And, Starcraft is the #1 RTS franchise ever.

RTS fans don't spend the kind of money that motivates a AAA investment into an RTS franchise. Blizzard is done. This 10 year thing Sigaty talked about is just a delicate PR move to slowly leave the genre. Like i said before it'll be 1 game release in 22 years.

Blizzard is not making another AAA level investment into the genre.

Contrast this with many other younger franchises owned by ATVI that make billions and continue to result in new games made for them all the time.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-10 18:22:25
September 10 2016 17:25 GMT
#925
yeah because starcraft fans have been offered suuuuuch great monetization option to support starcraft other than literally just buying the game, blizzard has really knocked themselves out compared to dota and league with regard to augmenting their revenue streams from starcraft over the 7ish years of sc2's life.. it has nothing to do with rts fans, it has to do with rts developer incompetence

edit~ not dota and valve.. dota and league

2nd edit jimmy they were reading this thread apparently LOL look at this:

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only 7 years too late, hopefully they'll include in broodwar hd
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-10 18:28:26
September 10 2016 18:27 GMT
#926
I would pay for announcers (if I played sc2) but only for the original OVERMIND.
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KrOjah_
Profile Joined February 2016
1 Post
September 10 2016 18:57 GMT
#927
On September 10 2016 07:29 Spyridon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2016 10:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On September 09 2016 08:56 Spyridon wrote:
There are not billions to be made in most genres nowdays. Very few games reach that number at all, I'm not sure why your bringing it up.


lots and lots of multibillion dollar franchises.
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_game_franchises

I'm talking about getting ATVI to commit resources to RTS. Their best guys are not going to work on RTS. They've got bigger fish to fry. Where oh where is Rob Pardo now?

check the role call on ATVI's investor page and you'll see a line up of multi-billion dollar franchises and Overwatch is not included in that list. Overwatch is well on its way to becoming another multibillion dollar ATVI franchise.

and after 18 years SC can't even compile $1 billion in cumulative all time sales. Overwatch already blew every Blizz RTS release ever out of the water with both guns.


You said "multibillion dollar games", now your changing it to "franchises"... And those are how many products sold, not how much made in sales.

Regardless, sales typically equate to games that are either established franichises before gaming (such as Star Wars), or games that have been nearly unanimously praised. How many of those franchises on the "at least 100 million" section did not receive user reviews of at least 9.0 at some point? None of them.

Besides, your numbers are skewed, and the site you linked destroys your whole theory. Have a look:

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_Blizzard_games

What is the #1 selling Blizzard franchise (as of the date of that site that your using your statistics from)? That's right, StarCraft!

Overwatch blew up all Blizzards records, what's your point? Overwatch has a WAY WAY WAY better reception than StarCraft 2 ever did as well.

Show nested quote +
On September 09 2016 10:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

the genre does not generate enough money to buy his interest. if Pardo designs another game you can be damn sure it won't be an RTS.


This is COMPLETE heresay. You have no evidence supporting this, and Pardo has actually DISCUSSED future RTS's. So there's evidence completely AGAINST your theories.

Blizzard is even working on reviving BW, why would they do that if they didn't see any money? You make absolutely no sense.

Regardless, RTS was always a niche genre. It was NEVER the most popular, it was never "where the money is". Blizzard has always been good at making money in the genre tehy choose. They made money in RTS when the only other companies that EVER had RTS success can be counted on one hand. They made MMO a smash hit when MMO's were not very popular. Action RPG barely existed before them. They made a successful MOBA in a market flooded with MOBA's. They turned online CCG's in to a huge craze with Hearthstone. Now their working on turning FPS in to something bigger than just a game.

Except for FPS and MOBA, every other one of their major properties was in a genre that "does not generate enough money to buy interest". Which means your message is false, they don't go by the books, they don't pick a genre that is "safe", they pick a genre that is "untapped but has potential"!

There's evidence of Blizzard disagreeing with basically every one of your sentiments, yet you still believe it. W/e, more power to you.

In the end, you focus way too much on the wrong things. You focus on "market profitability" - that's the exact focus that has led to the biggest failures in gaming in the last 15 years. Activision, EA - how many mistakes have they made by focusing on "market profitability" rather than a good game? Dozens. How many series did they make with decreasing reviews each iteration? Dozens. How many series that were extremely popular did they completely burn to the ground with the tactics focusing on profitability over a good game? Dozens. How many times have they released a game before it was "ready"? Dozens. How many times have any of those companies released a game that wasnt ready and did not have it explode in their face? None.

Alternatively, how many games had the #1 priority to make a SOLID GAME, rather than MARKET PROFITABILITY, then made MILLIONS? Most of the biggest games out right now did EXACTLY that - DOTA, LoL, CS, Rocket League to name a few off the top of my head. If you make a solid game, the sales come. That's the thing Activision and EA never understood. Blizzard understands this too, although they have been pushed in to certain things & lost their way from time to time. When they "take the time" to "release it when it's ready", they knock it out of the park (like Overwatch). When they don't, and when they claim a game will be out in march 2016 after the "longest beta ever" then rush to release it EARLY after doing a major overhaul of mechanics with under 2 weeks of beta testing? It fails like LotV, and pushes away the fans of the game to other games who showed more love & caring for what they create.



Simply not true that "RTS was always a niche genre." In regards to PC gaming (admittedly PC gaming did have a smaller following back in the day) RTS was most certainly one of the very most popular genres during the mid-late 90's.
_Spartak_
Profile Joined October 2013
Turkey443 Posts
September 10 2016 21:57 GMT
#928
A tournament is going on. Developers will stream the games in a short while:

https://www.twitch.tv/guardiansofatlas
porkRaven
Profile Joined December 2010
United States953 Posts
September 10 2016 23:52 GMT
#929
Went out like a fucking buster, was so ahead then got backdoor'd from drones... We were even predicting it too and we somehow fucked up our defense of it anyway... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRRRRRHHHHHHHHHHHH. Have to get drunk to wash away my salty tears. If anyone wants to get a laugh out of a thrown game then here you go: Gd95a145632fe4e2eaa8e56b020c804bd
SHOUTOUTS TO Aylear!!!
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10700 Posts
September 11 2016 00:40 GMT
#930
Day9 Audio Zerg impression please lol =)
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
September 11 2016 09:00 GMT
#931
"Please DO NOT share the contents of this survey with others" ?

Why are you sharing that
maru lover forever
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
September 11 2016 11:47 GMT
#932
reposting from reddit, blizz would never email me.
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17403 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 13:22:40
September 11 2016 13:12 GMT
#933
i make perfect sense. and so do publishers. when every game in a genre makes very little money or loses money software shops discontinue making games in the genre or they get closed down. That's why you have not seen a new C&C or AoE game in many years and the shops that made those games are now gone. That's why in 11 years the RTS team has released 1 full priced game and the expansions never break 2 million units sold. And again, Sigaty said nothing will compete with SC2 in 10 years. So that's 21 years with 1 full priced game.

a $20 cashgrab HD remake of AoE2 made by some rent-a-studio that pumps out 20 games a year is not the same thing as Ensemble (now gone) making a really cool $60 sequel with expansion packs to follow.

Let's see how the new "free-to-play, fast-paced Action RTS from Artillery for Mac and Windows" does. Let's see how vibrant the RTS marketplace is as Guardians of Atlas approaches beta and release.

Let's see how many bazillions of dollars RTS consumers spend on one of the few games this year targeted towards them. Let's pay attention to outcomes.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
September 11 2016 13:51 GMT
#934
i just don't think we have seen a proper monetization attempt from an rts company, so it's wrong to act like it's a fact that rts users spend less than other people.. i wouldn't even agree that the market is smaller than moba or fps given the size of BW during quake 3 and cs1.6's hayday, as well as dota's early days.. we don't even have any monetization options on the top tier rts right now.. honestly, i would say rts fans would spend MORE money than other genres because they have on average a larger time investment in the game... given market trends on how much money games make now on monetization rather than at point of sale, i think it's pretty fair to call blizzard incompetent and not make the leap to "rts is unprofitable compared to other genres."
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
September 11 2016 14:09 GMT
#935
On September 11 2016 03:27 B-royal wrote:
I would pay for announcers (if I played sc2) but only for the original OVERMIND.

holy hell the overmind, such a badass voice
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 14:19:33
September 11 2016 14:16 GMT
#936
if it's been thought of it's probably been somebody else's idea before, except when it comes to RTS ingame deliverables.

you say rts players have a larger time investment in their games and i'm assuming that's compared to any other genre of games. individually and marginally that might be true but there are dozens of times more players on those other games.
the overall hours, the amount of eyeballs, and the amount of exposure/popularity the games have compared to your RTS is much greater.

honestly i don't think time spent has much to do with how much a person spends on a game.
people love vanity and having identity, they love sales and variety and knowing that they are without a doubt part of a larger picture. that is much more suited to roleplaying or established game series.

starcraft, warcraft, etc might have been popular in your ring (at this time, point and click adventures were also popular), but before gaming was mainstream, television was much more popular with the rest of the world. i have a hard time thinking or believing that classic rts will take a top spot anymore in the gaming market.

'RTS' has evolved into MOBA.
and, eventually, and RTS will come out with classic roots, but still plays more like a MOBA.
which is exactly what this game was looking to do at some point.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
XIII
Profile Joined September 2005
483 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-12 02:53:23
September 12 2016 02:52 GMT
#937
casuals like to play with their friends or to blame their allies for the loss, that is the problem RTS games have, they are 1on1
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
September 12 2016 10:14 GMT
#938
On September 12 2016 11:52 XIII wrote:
casuals like to play with their friends or to blame their allies for the loss, that is the problem RTS games have, they are 1on1


Yes that's why Hearthstone is such a hardcore game.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
September 12 2016 10:15 GMT
#939
to be fair people blame rng in hearthstone instead of themselves
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-12 11:02:51
September 12 2016 11:00 GMT
#940
On September 12 2016 19:15 Endymion wrote:
to be fair people blame rng in hearthstone instead of themselves


to be fair people blame balance in Starcraft instead of themselves.
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