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Development ended, game appears to be dead. https://forums.artillery.com/discussion/911/end-of-development -Jinro | ||
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TaShadan
Germany1971 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
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Just gonna try it in a few days and hopefully the micro, etc is fun  | ||
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Endymion
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On August 24 2016 04:29 Endymion wrote: as a competitor to broodwar it has not legs to stand on, Why would you think this a competitor to brood war? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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It's all about the actual combat and map control as far as i can tell from the trailer. Personally i like the starcraft approach, but i think this newer concept could be fun as well if the units are exciting to play with. RTS as a genre needs something like this if it wants to be really successful again i think and i am kinda fine with that if the game is still competitive enough for me personally. (i wouldn't want to change sc2 in something like this though!) | ||
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Atimo
France38 Posts
Pros : - I'm very relieved that their is apparently no creep waves, that was one of the things i feared the most. - Unit speed is low, close to War3, very nice for micro intensive fight - Love the different armies : fire, water, nature, wind (kind of) - Units have all abilities (it seems didn't check them all for now) Cons : - Absolutely no base management, a War3 kind of management would have suited me. - Not a big fan of titans (on top of that they absolutely like a mini-diablo with a flower at the end of their tail) I don't like non-manageable unit - I hope you can build armies of different units, i guess you can but in this trailer, it seems that they always fight with one unit or lots of basics ones + a big one - I would had like more flashy colors | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On August 24 2016 04:31 KeksX wrote: Why would you think this a competitor to brood war? i was hoping :p | ||
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Atimo
France38 Posts
EDIT : Can't see the video on more that 360p am I the only one ? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
As much as I like watching and being terrible at old BW, attempting to fill the void in the market is a sure way to go out of business. When people say RTS for noobs, what that really means is that it isn’t designed for the ever shrinking RTS market. | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On August 24 2016 04:43 Plansix wrote: As much as I like watching and being terrible at old BW, attempting to fill the void in the market is a sure way to go out of business. When people say RTS for noobs, what that really means is that it isn’t designed for the ever shrinking RTS market. i don't think the rts market is shrinking, i just think that developers are too gunshy or bad to publish a proper rts. BW is still largely popular in korea, which i'm sure you already know.. people just refuse to build on the success of difficult competitive rts because they haven't found a way to properly monetize it imo.. it's weird because i think fighting games are the successor to sc1 atm, they're the most similar in mechanics | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Atimo
France38 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
No strategy, this is just Warcraft 3 meets LoL stealing Dota artwork. Obviously will have to see how people enjoy it, that's what really matters. But this isn't an RTS. I don't want this. Base building and economic management are what make RTS games what they are. @Atimo, are you using firefox? try chrome to see it at a higher resolution | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 24 2016 04:48 Endymion wrote: i don't think the rts market is shrinking, i just think that developers are too gunshy or bad to publish a proper rts. BW is still largely popular in korea, which i'm sure you already know.. people just refuse to build on the success of difficult competitive rts because they haven't found a way to properly monetize it imo.. it's weird because i think fighting games are the successor to sc1 atm, they're the most similar in mechanics This debate is pretty well worn, but from my understanding the RTS market is very small and not worth investing development money over making pretty much any other type of game. The other issues arise that the RTS fans are very specific in what they consider to be “good RTS design” which often runs counter to what makes the game more marketable to a larger audience. Or lead to any innovation in RTS games. Finally, the truth of RTS games is that most vast majority of players do not play the multiplayer. There are a few people development RTS games, like Relic. But they are banking on the 40K license and a robust single player to sell their title. In the very tiny world of TL, BW seems very popular and a no brainer for any studio. But selling that to a publisher to make a brand new RTS game in the spirit of this cult classic in Korea when Overwatch is ripping up the charts over there is a different story. edit: see all the people saying "base building and micro management are what make RTS games" and you will see the issues developers face. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On August 24 2016 04:35 Atimo wrote: I'm gonna go with pros and cons : Pros : - I'm very relieved that their is apparently no creep waves, that was one of the things i feared the most. - Unit speed is low, close to War3, very nice for micro intensive fight - Love the different armies : fire, water, nature, wind (kind of) - Units have all abilities (it seems didn't check them all for now) Cons : - Absolutely no base management, a War3 kind of management would have suited me. - Not a big fan of titans (on top of that they absolutely like a mini-diablo with a flower at the end of their tail) I don't like non-manageable unit - I hope you can build armies of different units, i guess you can but in this trailer, it seems that they always fight with one unit or lots of basics ones + a big one - I would had like more flashy colors You can definitely build various units, but there are also tech upgrades for your units as mentioned in the video. So basic units are cheap and spammable. Also I think you will like some of the more detailed gameplay reveals that are still under NDA. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On August 24 2016 05:01 Incognoto wrote: Yeah my interest lowered when they said the words "de-emphasizing basebuilding and economic management" No strategy, this is just Warcraft 3 meets LoL stealing Dota artwork. Obviously will have to see how people enjoy it, that's what really matters. But this isn't an RTS. I don't want this. Base building and economic management are what make RTS games what they are. @Atimo, are you using firefox? try chrome to see it at a higher resolution Is it base building or rather having the decision what strategy/tactics you wanna use (units, upgrades, etc) Are workers actually required to have economy or is getting new ressources for killing stuff also some form of economy management? I feel like if done well this can totally work, yes it feels different but that's exactly the point in the first place. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On August 24 2016 05:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: Is it base building or rather having the decision what strategy/tactics you wanna use (units, upgrades, etc) Are workers actually required to have economy or is getting new ressources for killing stuff also some form of economy management? I feel like if done well this can totally work, yes it feels different but that's exactly the point in the first place. I just talked to some of the devs before - all these things are still under NDA. We can just talk about whats on the trailer/website. There is definitely more to be revealed than what the trailer shows. | ||
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Atimo
France38 Posts
On August 24 2016 05:06 KeksX wrote: You can definitely build various units, but there are also tech upgrades for your units as mentioned in the video. So basic units are cheap and spammable. Also I think you will like some of the more detailed gameplay reveals that are still under NDA. Very nice then. Can't wait to test it I agree with The_Red_Viper, collecting ressources from neutral unit can be cool and dynamic | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 24 2016 05:09 KeksX wrote: I just talked to some of the devs before - all these things are still under NDA. We can just talk about whats on the trailer/website. There is definitely more to be revealed than what the trailer shows. Well i am only talking about the trailer tbh, i only have the info out of this and the website/blog posts. AFAIK you can build three different unit types each game. If i do this through building a rax (base building) or another method isn't really all that relevant imo. I also disagree that workers mining is (as in starcraft) is the only form of economy management. In the trailer they already talk about the general economy concept, i think managing that is also "economy management" | ||
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