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qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 29 2013 05:40 GMT
#61
On August 28 2013 05:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
##vote e2 - e4
Oh, I just noticed that this vote was in the wrong format: it didn't include the move number. Didn't make a difference this vote, since 1. e2-e4 won handily anyway, but please make sure to include the move number next time you vote if you want your vote to be counted. Reason I think it important to insist on this point of the format is that it allows people to find your vote for a particular move using "find"—maybe not so important when the thread consists mostly of votes, but potentially important if the thread ever gets more cluttered, and/or if you vote for a move in advance of the voting period for that move, say, if you know you won't be around for the voting period.

Speaking of which, I'm going to bed now, so I won't be around to "officially" close the vote for a while. That's all right; as I said in the OP, the game runs by the thread, not the OP, so consider the vote closed as soon as this voting period ends, in 20 minutes from now.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 06:25:51
August 29 2013 06:25 GMT
#62
--- Nuked ---
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
August 29 2013 07:39 GMT
#63
So, 1...c5 it is, I guess.

##VOTE 2. Ng1-f3.
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wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
August 29 2013 08:05 GMT
#64
##VOTE 2. Ng1-f3
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
August 29 2013 12:55 GMT
#65
##VOTE 2. Ng1-f3
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Torminator
Profile Joined June 2011
9 Posts
August 29 2013 13:14 GMT
#66
##VOTE 2.Ng1-f3
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
August 29 2013 13:18 GMT
#67
##VOTE 2. Ng1-f3
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
August 29 2013 14:49 GMT
#68
##VOTE 2. Ng1-f3
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8116 Posts
August 29 2013 14:51 GMT
#69
##VOTE 2. Ng1-f3
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 29 2013 15:18 GMT
#70
Pie chart for the previous vote, btw.

[image loading]
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8116 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 15:28:16
August 29 2013 15:28 GMT
#71
On August 29 2013 12:25 Malongo wrote:
[b]Karpov all the way.

You wish :p
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 29 2013 16:22 GMT
#72
By the way, as a service to anyone who's playing or following this game: In the opening of the last TL Chess Match, hp.shell posted a link to some short video lectures by Dereque Kelley on various chess openings. I don't usually watch chess videos, but I really enjoyed these. Mr. Kelley has a real knack for clearly and concisely explaining the basic ideas behind an opening. His videos are a good resource if you're not so familiar with a particular opening and you want a quick overview of what it's about.

Here's his explanation of the Open Sicilian (which is what this game is heading for):
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8116 Posts
August 29 2013 16:56 GMT
#73
On August 30 2013 01:22 qrs wrote:
By the way, as a service to anyone who's playing or following this game: In the opening of the last TL Chess Match, hp.shell posted a link to some short video lectures by Dereque Kelley on various chess openings. I don't usually watch chess videos, but I really enjoyed these. Mr. Kelley has a real knack for clearly and concisely explaining the basic ideas behind an opening. His videos are a good resource if you're not so familiar with a particular opening and you want a quick overview of what it's about.

Here's his explanation of the Open Sicilian (which is what this game is heading for):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MHicEPcn3c

Nice video

Does not mention the exploitation of the open c file for black and open d file for white, and the inherent weakness of black's d pawn, which is a bit strange. That's one of the most important feature of the sicilian after all... But I guess you can't do so much in a short youtube video.

Books books books
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
monomo
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany150 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 17:16:25
August 29 2013 17:15 GMT
#74
Edit: I'm dumb

##JOIN Team Occident
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 29 2013 17:25 GMT
#75
On August 30 2013 01:56 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 01:22 qrs wrote:
By the way, as a service to anyone who's playing or following this game: In the opening of the last TL Chess Match, hp.shell posted a link to some short video lectures by Dereque Kelley on various chess openings. I don't usually watch chess videos, but I really enjoyed these. Mr. Kelley has a real knack for clearly and concisely explaining the basic ideas behind an opening. His videos are a good resource if you're not so familiar with a particular opening and you want a quick overview of what it's about.

Here's his explanation of the Open Sicilian (which is what this game is heading for):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MHicEPcn3c

Nice video

Does not mention the exploitation of the open c file for black and open d file for white, and the inherent weakness of black's d pawn, which is a bit strange. That's one of the most important feature of the sicilian after all... But I guess you can't do so much in a short youtube video.

Books books books
Yeah, you make good points. I agree with you that those are some pretty fundamental ideas as well (meaning, they're true in almost any variation that the game might take), and it's a bit strange that he didn't even touch on them. On the other hand, I think perhaps that actually points up his strength as a teacher: he's very good at identifying just a small number of basic themes and showing how they apply throughout the game, for a given opening. There are many themes at work in almost any opening—almost any chess position for that matter—and it can be very easy to get bogged down in them if you try to show as many as you can all at once: "this factor could make a difference if this happens, but this other factor could come into play if that happens...", etc.

I'm neither an expert chess-player nor an expert teacher, so I'm not qualified to comment directly on the choices Master Kelley makes in his presentations, but I can say that every time I watch one, I feel like I understand some of the thought processes behind an opening a little better than I did before. But you're right: they're not the be-all and end-all of opening knowledge.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8116 Posts
August 29 2013 17:48 GMT
#76
On August 30 2013 02:25 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 01:56 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 30 2013 01:22 qrs wrote:
By the way, as a service to anyone who's playing or following this game: In the opening of the last TL Chess Match, hp.shell posted a link to some short video lectures by Dereque Kelley on various chess openings. I don't usually watch chess videos, but I really enjoyed these. Mr. Kelley has a real knack for clearly and concisely explaining the basic ideas behind an opening. His videos are a good resource if you're not so familiar with a particular opening and you want a quick overview of what it's about.

Here's his explanation of the Open Sicilian (which is what this game is heading for):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MHicEPcn3c

Nice video

Does not mention the exploitation of the open c file for black and open d file for white, and the inherent weakness of black's d pawn, which is a bit strange. That's one of the most important feature of the sicilian after all... But I guess you can't do so much in a short youtube video.

Books books books
Yeah, you make good points. I agree with you that those are some pretty fundamental ideas as well (meaning, they're true in almost any variation that the game might take), and it's a bit strange that he didn't even touch on them. On the other hand, I think perhaps that actually points up his strength as a teacher: he's very good at identifying just a small number of basic themes and showing how they apply throughout the game, for a given opening. There are many themes at work in almost any opening—almost any chess position for that matter—and it can be very easy to get bogged down in them if you try to show as many as you can all at once: "this factor could make a difference if this happens, but this other factor could come into play if that happens...", etc.

I'm neither an expert chess-player nor an expert teacher, so I'm not qualified to comment directly on the choices Master Kelley makes in his presentations, but I can say that every time I watch one, I feel like I understand some of the thought processes behind an opening a little better than I did before. But you're right: they're not the be-all and end-all of opening knowledge.

Yep...

He did a great job at explaining white's development lead, but again, I just don't agree on his analysis of black's forces and weaknesses. Black's pawn centre is much more a handicap than an asset, and often, black decisive move is when he finally manages to break his cramped central pawns and free his game.

And for anybody that has ever played against a Maroczy, you must know how much of a pain the weak d pawn is and how easy it is for white to attack this "great central pawn majority"

On the other hand he didn't mentioned that the c file open begs for a queenside minority attack and that the sicilian is playable for black not because he has a great pawn centre, but because he has a really mobile queenside.

I am not nearly as qualified as this guy is, but that seems like a strange misunderstanding of the sicilian for a Master.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Arevall
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1133 Posts
August 29 2013 17:55 GMT
#77
##VOTE 2. Ng1-f3
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 29 2013 18:00 GMT
#78
On August 30 2013 02:48 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 02:25 qrs wrote:
On August 30 2013 01:56 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 30 2013 01:22 qrs wrote:
By the way, as a service to anyone who's playing or following this game: In the opening of the last TL Chess Match, hp.shell posted a link to some short video lectures by Dereque Kelley on various chess openings. I don't usually watch chess videos, but I really enjoyed these. Mr. Kelley has a real knack for clearly and concisely explaining the basic ideas behind an opening. His videos are a good resource if you're not so familiar with a particular opening and you want a quick overview of what it's about.

Here's his explanation of the Open Sicilian (which is what this game is heading for):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MHicEPcn3c

Nice video

Does not mention the exploitation of the open c file for black and open d file for white, and the inherent weakness of black's d pawn, which is a bit strange. That's one of the most important feature of the sicilian after all... But I guess you can't do so much in a short youtube video.

Books books books
Yeah, you make good points. I agree with you that those are some pretty fundamental ideas as well (meaning, they're true in almost any variation that the game might take), and it's a bit strange that he didn't even touch on them. On the other hand, I think perhaps that actually points up his strength as a teacher: he's very good at identifying just a small number of basic themes and showing how they apply throughout the game, for a given opening. There are many themes at work in almost any opening—almost any chess position for that matter—and it can be very easy to get bogged down in them if you try to show as many as you can all at once: "this factor could make a difference if this happens, but this other factor could come into play if that happens...", etc.

I'm neither an expert chess-player nor an expert teacher, so I'm not qualified to comment directly on the choices Master Kelley makes in his presentations, but I can say that every time I watch one, I feel like I understand some of the thought processes behind an opening a little better than I did before. But you're right: they're not the be-all and end-all of opening knowledge.

Yep...

He did a great job at explaining white's development lead, but again, I just don't agree on his analysis of black's forces and weaknesses. Black's pawn centre is much more a handicap than an asset, and often, black decisive move is when he finally manages to break his cramped central pawns and free his game.

And for anybody that has ever played against a Maroczy, you must know how much of a pain the weak d pawn is and how easy it is for white to attack this "great central pawn majority"
I watched a different video of his where he did mention the Maróczy bind as a position that White would love to achieve. I think the reason he didn't mention it in this one is that Black can play to make it difficult for White to achieve it.
On the other hand he didn't mentioned that the c file open begs for a queenside minority attack and that the sicilian is playable for black not because he has a great pawn centre, but because he has a really mobile queenside.

I am not nearly as qualified as this guy is, but that seems like a strange misunderstanding of the sicilian for a Master.
Well, one thing I am pretty sure of is that he has a better understanding of the Sicilian than either of us, but maybe you're right that he didn't choose the best aspects to emphasize. Or maybe it's a matter of style. Why don't you leave a comment or two on the video on YouTube? He's very responsive; he'll answer you.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8116 Posts
August 29 2013 18:03 GMT
#79
On August 30 2013 03:00 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 02:48 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 30 2013 02:25 qrs wrote:
On August 30 2013 01:56 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 30 2013 01:22 qrs wrote:
By the way, as a service to anyone who's playing or following this game: In the opening of the last TL Chess Match, hp.shell posted a link to some short video lectures by Dereque Kelley on various chess openings. I don't usually watch chess videos, but I really enjoyed these. Mr. Kelley has a real knack for clearly and concisely explaining the basic ideas behind an opening. His videos are a good resource if you're not so familiar with a particular opening and you want a quick overview of what it's about.

Here's his explanation of the Open Sicilian (which is what this game is heading for):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MHicEPcn3c

Nice video

Does not mention the exploitation of the open c file for black and open d file for white, and the inherent weakness of black's d pawn, which is a bit strange. That's one of the most important feature of the sicilian after all... But I guess you can't do so much in a short youtube video.

Books books books
Yeah, you make good points. I agree with you that those are some pretty fundamental ideas as well (meaning, they're true in almost any variation that the game might take), and it's a bit strange that he didn't even touch on them. On the other hand, I think perhaps that actually points up his strength as a teacher: he's very good at identifying just a small number of basic themes and showing how they apply throughout the game, for a given opening. There are many themes at work in almost any opening—almost any chess position for that matter—and it can be very easy to get bogged down in them if you try to show as many as you can all at once: "this factor could make a difference if this happens, but this other factor could come into play if that happens...", etc.

I'm neither an expert chess-player nor an expert teacher, so I'm not qualified to comment directly on the choices Master Kelley makes in his presentations, but I can say that every time I watch one, I feel like I understand some of the thought processes behind an opening a little better than I did before. But you're right: they're not the be-all and end-all of opening knowledge.

Yep...

He did a great job at explaining white's development lead, but again, I just don't agree on his analysis of black's forces and weaknesses. Black's pawn centre is much more a handicap than an asset, and often, black decisive move is when he finally manages to break his cramped central pawns and free his game.

And for anybody that has ever played against a Maroczy, you must know how much of a pain the weak d pawn is and how easy it is for white to attack this "great central pawn majority"
I watched a different video of his where he did mention the Maróczy bind as a position that White would love to achieve. I think the reason he didn't mention it in this one is that Black can play to make it difficult for White to achieve it.
Show nested quote +
On the other hand he didn't mentioned that the c file open begs for a queenside minority attack and that the sicilian is playable for black not because he has a great pawn centre, but because he has a really mobile queenside.

I am not nearly as qualified as this guy is, but that seems like a strange misunderstanding of the sicilian for a Master.
Well, one thing I am pretty sure of is that he has a better understanding of the Sicilian than either of us, but maybe you're right that he didn't choose the best aspects to emphasize. Or maybe it's a matter of style. Why don't you leave a comment or two on the video on YouTube? He's very responsive; he'll answer you.

I'll ask him because I'm quite puzzled
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 29 2013 18:07 GMT
#80
##VOTE 2... Ng8-f6

Pie chart for last vote:
[image loading]
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
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