EPTSecond question, isn't Lumiel potentially as good a lead as Ronia? Has bonus to attack and RCV for Devil types (though not as much as Ronia), but has 3x multiplier for Dark+Dark or Dark+Water, which is pretty much always guaranteed. Or, at least, couldn't Lumiel be a better pair for AShiva pal lead than Ronia? Even though Shiva would boost Ronia's and his own fire attacks, I don't have any other fire types, so it seems that the potential 6 combo 12x multiplier with the minor damage boost to Devil is better than the 6 combo 12x Ronia would get in the same situation, not to mention that Lumiel can TPA in that 12x and do much more damage than even a fire damage boosted Ronia would? I'm a little overwhelmed with my options right now @_@; To simplify the question: I have shitty Devil subs, 2 King Baddies, Lumiel, and Ronia, with pal leads that are generally available being AShiva, CRonia, and other Ronias. What is my ideal combination, outside of needing shield-break in AShiva?
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Jealous
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Second question, isn't Lumiel potentially as good a lead as Ronia? Has bonus to attack and RCV for Devil types (though not as much as Ronia), but has 3x multiplier for Dark+Dark or Dark+Water, which is pretty much always guaranteed. Or, at least, couldn't Lumiel be a better pair for AShiva pal lead than Ronia? Even though Shiva would boost Ronia's and his own fire attacks, I don't have any other fire types, so it seems that the potential 6 combo 12x multiplier with the minor damage boost to Devil is better than the 6 combo 12x Ronia would get in the same situation, not to mention that Lumiel can TPA in that 12x and do much more damage than even a fire damage boosted Ronia would? I'm a little overwhelmed with my options right now @_@; To simplify the question: I have shitty Devil subs, 2 King Baddies, Lumiel, and Ronia, with pal leads that are generally available being AShiva, CRonia, and other Ronias. What is my ideal combination, outside of needing shield-break in AShiva? | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
Comparing Ronia to Lumiel's TPAs isn't a good comparison to make. For Ronia you'd typically be running a row team which gives all the cards a boost for every row awakening. TPAs only apply to the card that has the awakening so while your Lumiel will be doing a big hit; everything else in the team will not be. In an ideal Ronia team, every card is going to have row awakenings giving the entire team a huge boost when you match rows (you can easily hit that 3.375x that the TPA provides on the entire team). Ronia is more popular than Lumiel because it has been out a lot longer. Lumiel's UEvo that gave it three TPAs came out very recently and prior to that the card was not very good. Lumiel is potentially a better leader, but it might be hard to find other Lumiel's to pair with. I'd also suggest that using a friend leader with a max skilled orb change is far superior to Shiva's active skill. | ||
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
For instance Shiva has a base unconditional 1.5x multiplier for fire attribute Attack then x2 for 4 combo, scaling up 0.5x until capping out at x3 at 6 combos This results in a total potential multiplier of 4.5x Ronia has an unconditional 2.5x multiplier for devil types Then after 6 Combos, she gets a 1.2x multiplier Resulting in a total potential multiplier of x3 So Ronia+Shiva would equal 3*4.5 = 13.5x attack multiplier with 6 combos Rcv works the same way so Shiva has 1.5x rcv and Ronia has 2.5 1.5*2.5 = 3.75x recovery Problem with Lumiel x Shiva lead is Lumiel does not have Fire attribute, so would not benefit from Shiva's base 1.5x fire attribute unconditional Lumiel herself provides 1.25x attack unconditional Then when matching (dk+dk) or (dk+wt), she gets x3 Total potential multiplier is 3*1.25= 3.75x multiplier | ||
Spazer
Canada8033 Posts
On February 02 2016 02:04 Cheps wrote: Ah I see. Thanks spazer and jsh. That seems pointless -_- Also spazer best friending you was the best pad move by far for me. You always have verdandi and Bastet up which is awesome. I use Your Bastet for kotg and verdandi for various farming needs, haha. Does anyone here who I haven't friended yet have shiva up most of the time? Would like to have some more for when I awaken mine. Always have a Bastet up (+3 skill and +67 eggs). Only rank 150 atm though. Good to hear. Pretty sure at least half the people in this thread run bastet though haha. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On February 02 2016 04:15 Spazer wrote: Good to hear. Pretty sure at least half the people in this thread run bastet though haha. They used to at least. Now everyone is running Yomidra. | ||
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
Like 10 turn dark absorb huehue It's just YomiDra does everything so well Unbindable, neutral dark damage, x36 multiplier, great 5x4, TE, no effort I still run AYomi if all I need is to blow stuff up I think I ran Lakshmi for the new Hellheim dungeon though | ||
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dkpl
Canada1485 Posts
 I used to always have bastet as used lead, verd on slot 1, and shiva on slot 2 Now I have too many potential leads and quite a few ppl request for different things at different times, so it's been a big mess lol Which reminds me, if anyone needs any of the following leads, give me a shout. I may as well be useful for you guys even if I'm pretty much sick of playing so much pad recently :D http://imgur.com/jpRINWs | ||
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Cheps
United Arab Emirates197 Posts
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On February 02 2016 05:37 Cheps wrote: Does anyone know how the jewel invades work in descends? is it a specific jewel invade for a specific descend or just a random one? check padguide or padx for which jewels invade. the rate of invasion is randomized though. I accidentally cleared taki. mythical with yomidra, got a 5th stone and rolled an ariel -_- | ||
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Cheps
United Arab Emirates197 Posts
Question given I now own 4 kalis and a Sakuya : Can I make a Kali system with Sakuya? Sakuya/lkali/lkali/dkali/?/Sakuya? I lack team cost to do that and will for a while but just curious. Only rank 150 at the moment. | ||
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dkpl
Canada1485 Posts
2 lkalis and a dkali is pretty solid for many rainbow teams. I've never played sakuya so I don't know what her regular team is. As for jewel invades, basically it rotates to a different jewel every day starting on the first day the event starts. day 1 is red jewel, day 2 is blue jewel, day 3 is green, day 4 is light, day 5 is dark, then it rotates again so day 6 is red again. Today is the 4th day of the event, so we have light jewel invades today. Additionally, jewels only invade on mythical descend difficulty or higher. On difficulties like legend+ (aka rushes), the invade rate is a bit higher. There are no hard numbers for the invade rate but people generally agree on 15-20% for mythical, and 20-25% for legend+ | ||
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Spazer
Canada8033 Posts
On February 02 2016 07:29 Cheps wrote: Bought a pack and proceeded to get three Kali's, one of them dark to add to the other Kali I already owned. Also got kanna, ruel, and other decent cards amongst troll silvers and golds. Question given I now own 4 kalis and a Sakuya : Can I make a Kali system with Sakuya? Sakuya/lkali/lkali/dkali/?/Sakuya? I lack team cost to do that and will for a while but just curious. Only rank 150 at the moment. I can tell you right now that the team composition you're thinking of doesn't work, because there's nobody to cover green. That said, Sakuya teams are really flexible, and there are a lot of potential sub choices. The kalis are really good subs, but you need some other utility too. | ||
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Fazers
736 Posts
LKali, Arcline, Indra, D. Izanagi, and Venus/Saria. Hit me up with who you have and I'll definitely love to BF you. | ||
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
Ended up using YomiDra... YomiDra Diza Lumiel Haku Castor I even got Jewel Invade floor 1 Thank god it was Sakuya rotation or I think I would've died lol | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On February 02 2016 13:41 JSH wrote: Finally beat Scarlet! Ended up using YomiDra... YomiDra Diza Lumiel Haku Castor I even got Jewel Invade floor 1 Thank god it was Sakuya rotation or I think I would've died lol Funny story about Scarlet invades. It can invade on floor 6 I found out. Kinda funny because you go from Sakuya to facing the evolved Scarlet without her evolving. Didn't know that could happen. I still use Bastet quite a lot. She's just so versatile and was the first team I totally hypermaxed. She's still extremely solid. Kaguya is being stingy as fuck. I only need 2 more Latents and its 20 runs since the last one invaded. So much hatred here. | ||
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abuse
Latvia1942 Posts
Utter bullshit. Went into a special dungeon with sopdet on the 1st floor with ra dragon. Naturally the entire team starts at lvl 1, right? Hell my team even has no plusses, except my radrag which has 100 of them. You know how much damage my radrag alone did to sopdet when I matched just enough to get a x64 with a light TPA? Really, take a guess. Ra drag's damage at lvl1 is 603 before combos and TPA's You know how much damage he did? You know how much dmg the mffer did? 1.4 million is how much he did. so then I matched 5 out of 6 colors for the smaller mutliplier, and you know how much he did then? 50k. I'm just lost for words. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On February 02 2016 15:35 abuse wrote: I'm calling bullshit on Special dungeons where you start at level 1. Utter bullshit. Went into a special dungeon with sopdet on the 1st floor with ra dragon. Naturally the entire team starts at lvl 1, right? Hell my team even has no plusses, except my radrag which has 100 of them. You know how much damage my radrag alone did to sopdet when I matched just enough to get a x64 with a light TPA? Really, take a guess. Ra drag's damage at lvl1 is 603 before combos and TPA's You know how much damage he did? You know how much dmg the mffer did? 1.4 million is how much he did. so then I matched 5 out of 6 colors for the smaller mutliplier, and you know how much he did then? 50k. I'm just lost for words. Let me advise you of something really swell. Don't use Ra Dragon against Sopdet. You can't throttle his damage to do it properly unless you don't use any D Kali. Even then keeping him under 100k when she goes in to her dark half is close to impossible. Ra Dragon does something like 1.4mil with TPA + 64x (Keep in mind it's really 144x) about 750k without TPA. 250k~ with TPA + 9x (it's really 20.25x) and then about 150k with no tpa and 9x. Even at level one where you can take some of that damage away it's not very workable. | ||
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abuse
Latvia1942 Posts
On February 02 2016 17:07 Jayme wrote: Let me advise you of something really swell. Don't use Ra Dragon against Sopdet. You can't throttle his damage to do it properly unless you don't use any D Kali. Even then keeping him under 100k when she goes in to her dark half is close to impossible. Ra Dragon does something like 1.4mil with TPA + 64x (Keep in mind it's really 144x) about 750k without TPA. 250k~ with TPA + 9x (it's really 20.25x) and then about 150k with no tpa and 9x. Even at level one where you can take some of that damage away it's not very workable. The damage threshold for sopdet is 200k not 100k though. the numbers you mention are all for max level and +297. At level 1 and without plusses, the team shouldn't do that much damage, and should stay under 200k. After doing the math, the actual number for 6combo with 603 attack, and a x144 multiplier is 195408. What he did was not even close to that. It was 1.4 mil. Even if we take into account the TPA, the damage should have been 195408*2.25 = 439668. Not 1.4 mil. That is the point im making. The special dungeon stats being at level 1 is bullshit. at least for the attack stat. | ||
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Cheps
United Arab Emirates197 Posts
On February 02 2016 10:30 Spazer wrote: I can tell you right now that the team composition you're thinking of doesn't work, because there's nobody to cover green. That said, Sakuya teams are really flexible, and there are a lot of potential sub choices. The kalis are really good subs, but you need some other utility too. Maybe I'll pop in my sun quan or dandi/Bastet for the extended time awakenings | ||
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Spazer
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