Puzzle and Dragons - Page 155

On March 24 2015 01:13 trifecta wrote:


hey I'm running the same leads too; U&Y is +160 atm and Lmeta is lvl 82; both fully awoken ofc

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On March 24 2015 04:09 oneofthem wrote:
i was watching reco's lvl 10 challenge stream. he died like 20 times on the first floor because of skill-bind. the youtube videos are ideal runs and dont represent hte effectiveness of their parties.

On March 24 2015 00:21 oneofthem wrote:
dkpl ur lvl 28 juggler acc is making me sad.

On March 23 2015 23:53 rsvp wrote:
I'm talking specifically about LKali here but this sentiment applies to many other leaders as well...

I really hate the notion of "optimal" or "premium" subs because usually the resulting "ideal" team isn't actually ideal, it's just a stacked offensive team that can roflstomp through mid-high difficulty descends, but cannot actually complete true end game content like 99 stam rushes or challenge lv 8/9/10. You don't need an ideal team to easily and safely do the mid-high descends, and if you want to tackle the true end game content (which is entirely possible with those leaders) you need a lot more defensively oriented team. You can't run 4x offensive subs and 1 shot every floor because you will run out of actives before the end of the dungeon where every floor is a boss floor.

My LKali team that I've used to 0 stone practically everything except challenge fl 10 is echidna / orochi / izanagi / d. izanami, with isis as an alternate if I need the bind clear (don't have lmeta). I have "premium" dark subs like arthur, yomi, and d/l batman, but I still prefer Diza 95% of the time. Fuma is a great sub but I simply don't have room for another offensive orb changer, I really only have room for 1 offensive sub and it has to be a damage enhancer in order to deal with the potential fatty in the 99 stam rushes.

If I had only farmable subs for my team, I would replace orochi with chibi sq, and izanagi with sandalphon or pad bear (to deal with binds), and I'm pretty confident that I would have a 100% farmable lkali team that can complete a lot more content than the "ideal" LKali teams that kept getting thrown around.

On March 24 2015 06:58 dkpl wrote:
I'm so sorry ;_; I really don't play jp, I just give out pal points to my friend and play rem simulator lol. Though lately it's just box expand simulator.

On March 24 2015 08:22 Jayme wrote:


By the time you're doing that you're not asking about what teams to really use for your Kali.

So I suppose I should reword it. By premium I generally just mean REM. You and I both know that by the time you're dealing with level 10 dungeons teams can get strange because of the defensive requirements you have. Thing is, telling a new Kali player this is just going to serve to confuse the shit out of them because it's generally something they aren't even concerned with at that point in time. You're running a super defensive L Kali team with double delay and a defense user and that's fine but even that's overboard in the defense department when you're talking about level 8's, 9's and Rushes. People are comfortable with different teams. You're absolutely right though...in the true end game you need a better balance between offense and defense because tanking mythical level bosses starts becoming a requirement.

Start with simple and then when requirements get more defensive in nature you switch as needed. For example you don't NEED an enhancer to deal with a fatty. A plussed Athena with 2 light prongs in an 8 combo will break a Fatty defense (She ends up hitting for about 810K~~~) A fuma + L Kali would basically guarantee this if you so wanted meaning you can feel free to swap Fuma for Izanagi or whatever enhancer you're using if you're confident in your combo abilities. I did mention the Izanami's for a reason though, she's amazing for what she does, but if you're at that point in the game you KNOW you need some sort of defensive sub so you're going to start looking for them. Hell I used a B Sonia in my early Kali devil rush teams because I needed a dragon with good stats so it got bound on Zombie Dragon so I would have extra turns to stall for the Kali active I needed. You won't ever see a B Sonia in the recommended Kali teams tab but it sure as hell beat Devil Rush with no stones...