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On June 11 2013 19:42 krutopatkin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 11:53 TheZanthex wrote:
Realistically how many people play on Feenix? I don't want to waste my time downloading a client for a dead and / or really buggy server. Either good scripts or many people, can't get both right now sadly
When I last played on feenix vanila like a year ago, there were a couple hundred people online usually, It sometimes even exceeded 1k, which is pretty good for a private server imho. You could reliably do BGs and instances.
What I really liked about the server is that it has been maintained for years, so its not like many others which are abandoned after a while. The downside is they are ddosed a lot, so sometimes its unplayable for days. They focused a lot on scripting dungeons to be exactly blizzlike, and as bug-free as possible. And you can request 1x exp rate. However i have not played on it for a while, so maybe somethings have changed. Based on my old experiences though i would recommend it.
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On June 11 2013 20:07 Kuzmorgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 19:42 krutopatkin wrote:On June 11 2013 11:53 TheZanthex wrote:
Realistically how many people play on Feenix? I don't want to waste my time downloading a client for a dead and / or really buggy server. Either good scripts or many people, can't get both right now sadly When I last played on feenix vanila like a year ago, there were a couple hundred people online usually, It sometimes even exceeded 1k, which is pretty good for a private server imho. You could reliably do BGs and instances. What I really liked about the server is that it has been maintained for years, so its not like many others which are abandoned after a while. The downside is they are ddosed a lot, so sometimes its unplayable for days. They focused a lot on scripting dungeons to be exactly blizzlike, and as bug-free as possible. And you can request 1x exp rate. However i have not played on it for a while, so maybe somethings have changed. Based on my old experiences though i would recommend it.
IMO, the stability of being maintained for years is the most important aspect. Sure, these servers usually have a much higher leveling rate, but how MMOs work is that you invest time to improve yourself. There's really no point to invest all that time to level up to max and then raid to get a few nice drops if the server goes down after a month and never comes up again.
Who cares if a boss works slightly different compared to the official servers compared to losing all your effort?
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It could be the best cracked server, if not enough people are playing its worthless!
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On June 11 2013 20:07 Kuzmorgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 19:42 krutopatkin wrote:On June 11 2013 11:53 TheZanthex wrote:
Realistically how many people play on Feenix? I don't want to waste my time downloading a client for a dead and / or really buggy server. Either good scripts or many people, can't get both right now sadly When I last played on feenix vanila like a year ago, there were a couple hundred people online usually, It sometimes even exceeded 1k, which is pretty good for a private server imho. You could reliably do BGs and instances. What I really liked about the server is that it has been maintained for years, so its not like many others which are abandoned after a while. The downside is they are ddosed a lot, so sometimes its unplayable for days. They focused a lot on scripting dungeons to be exactly blizzlike, and as bug-free as possible. And you can request 1x exp rate. However i have not played on it for a while, so maybe somethings have changed. Based on my old experiences though i would recommend it.
Well if they focused a lot on the dungeons they failed pretty hard (and they didn't, they pressed hard to bring naxx out without ever fixing aq/bwl/mc/5 man dungeons)
Seriously, the server exists for like 3 or 4 years and they still don't manage to script their instances decently, not to mention the skills.
The only good thing about feenix is the population, that's why I said you have to choose between a lot of people or good scripts.
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I have never played WoW before, and I'd like to try it just to see what it is like. Would this vanilla WoW server be a good place to start or is it really noob unfriendly? What would be the best place to start? I'm considering various private servers, or maybe the free trial. If I really enjoy it, maybe I'll buy the real thing, but reluctant since I'm way too far behind at this point.
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On June 11 2013 20:29 krutopatkin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 20:07 Kuzmorgo wrote:On June 11 2013 19:42 krutopatkin wrote:On June 11 2013 11:53 TheZanthex wrote:
Realistically how many people play on Feenix? I don't want to waste my time downloading a client for a dead and / or really buggy server. Either good scripts or many people, can't get both right now sadly When I last played on feenix vanila like a year ago, there were a couple hundred people online usually, It sometimes even exceeded 1k, which is pretty good for a private server imho. You could reliably do BGs and instances. What I really liked about the server is that it has been maintained for years, so its not like many others which are abandoned after a while. The downside is they are ddosed a lot, so sometimes its unplayable for days. They focused a lot on scripting dungeons to be exactly blizzlike, and as bug-free as possible. And you can request 1x exp rate. However i have not played on it for a while, so maybe somethings have changed. Based on my old experiences though i would recommend it. Well if they focused a lot on the dungeons they failed pretty hard (and they didn't, they pressed hard to bring naxx out without ever fixing aq/bwl/mc/5 man dungeons) Seriously, the server exists for like 3 or 4 years and they still don't manage to script their instances decently, not to mention the skills. The only good thing about feenix is the population, that's why I said you have to choose between a lot of people or good scripts.
I've had no problems with deadmines and no problems reported for stockades, Molten Core, or SFK by my guildies. The only scripted thing that had a penchant for screwing up was the Bly encounter in ZF.
On June 12 2013 12:40 Chairman Ray wrote:
I have never played WoW before, and I'd like to try it just to see what it is like. Would this vanilla WoW server be a good place to start or is it really noob unfriendly? What would be the best place to start? I'm considering various private servers, or maybe the free trial. If I really enjoy it, maybe I'll buy the real thing, but reluctant since I'm way too far behind at this point.
The reason people hate the new versions is because they're noob friendly. If you're a noob, start with retail.
To put it in perspective, earlier today, I had a period where there were no possible quests for me to pick up without walking for over an hour through hostile territory, so I killed boars and various bandits for 2 hours to level up...as a priest...with a wand.
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On June 12 2013 14:17 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 20:29 krutopatkin wrote:On June 11 2013 20:07 Kuzmorgo wrote:On June 11 2013 19:42 krutopatkin wrote:On June 11 2013 11:53 TheZanthex wrote:
Realistically how many people play on Feenix? I don't want to waste my time downloading a client for a dead and / or really buggy server. Either good scripts or many people, can't get both right now sadly When I last played on feenix vanila like a year ago, there were a couple hundred people online usually, It sometimes even exceeded 1k, which is pretty good for a private server imho. You could reliably do BGs and instances. What I really liked about the server is that it has been maintained for years, so its not like many others which are abandoned after a while. The downside is they are ddosed a lot, so sometimes its unplayable for days. They focused a lot on scripting dungeons to be exactly blizzlike, and as bug-free as possible. And you can request 1x exp rate. However i have not played on it for a while, so maybe somethings have changed. Based on my old experiences though i would recommend it. Well if they focused a lot on the dungeons they failed pretty hard (and they didn't, they pressed hard to bring naxx out without ever fixing aq/bwl/mc/5 man dungeons) Seriously, the server exists for like 3 or 4 years and they still don't manage to script their instances decently, not to mention the skills. The only good thing about feenix is the population, that's why I said you have to choose between a lot of people or good scripts. I've had no problems with deadmines and no problems reported for stockades, Molten Core, or SFK by my guildies. The only scripted thing that had a penchant for screwing up was the Bly encounter in ZF.
Idk about low level instances, pretty sure you can run them but the bosses just don't do anything at all.
Couple of bugs I know for MC out of my head:
-Lucifron walkpath bugged
-Imps before luci and magmadar don't add all at once
-In general most bosses deal too much damage
-Majo and all his adds spawn at the same spot
-Trash has no abilities at all (nearly)
-Shazzrah selfbuff not dispellable
-Geddont doesn't do his 2 % emote+ability
-Harbringer adds don't heal each other
-Raggy ranged knockback not working
That's just out of my head, there's plenty more.
Might be some of them are fixed by now because it has been quite some time I have raided on feenix. But that's just an impression how 90% of the server got its gear. And I could do the same for most classes and instances.
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On June 12 2013 16:34 krutopatkin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 14:17 deth2munkies wrote:On June 11 2013 20:29 krutopatkin wrote:On June 11 2013 20:07 Kuzmorgo wrote:On June 11 2013 19:42 krutopatkin wrote:On June 11 2013 11:53 TheZanthex wrote:
Realistically how many people play on Feenix? I don't want to waste my time downloading a client for a dead and / or really buggy server. Either good scripts or many people, can't get both right now sadly When I last played on feenix vanila like a year ago, there were a couple hundred people online usually, It sometimes even exceeded 1k, which is pretty good for a private server imho. You could reliably do BGs and instances. What I really liked about the server is that it has been maintained for years, so its not like many others which are abandoned after a while. The downside is they are ddosed a lot, so sometimes its unplayable for days. They focused a lot on scripting dungeons to be exactly blizzlike, and as bug-free as possible. And you can request 1x exp rate. However i have not played on it for a while, so maybe somethings have changed. Based on my old experiences though i would recommend it. Well if they focused a lot on the dungeons they failed pretty hard (and they didn't, they pressed hard to bring naxx out without ever fixing aq/bwl/mc/5 man dungeons) Seriously, the server exists for like 3 or 4 years and they still don't manage to script their instances decently, not to mention the skills. The only good thing about feenix is the population, that's why I said you have to choose between a lot of people or good scripts. I've had no problems with deadmines and no problems reported for stockades, Molten Core, or SFK by my guildies. The only scripted thing that had a penchant for screwing up was the Bly encounter in ZF. Idk about low level instances, pretty sure you can run them but the bosses just don't do anything at all. Couple of bugs I know for MC out of my head: -Lucifron walkpath bugged -Imps before luci and magmadar don't add all at once -In general most bosses deal too much damage -Majo and all his adds spawn at the same spot -Trash has no abilities at all (nearly) -Shazzrah selfbuff not dispellable -Geddont doesn't do his 2 % emote+ability -Harbringer adds don't heal each other -Raggy ranged knockback not working That's just out of my head, there's plenty more. Might be some of them are fixed by now because it has been quite some time I have raided on feenix. But that's just an impression how 90% of the server got its gear. And I could do the same for most classes and instances.
This is a relatively new server that launched last year (Emerald Dream), they must have fixed most if not all of those.
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Vanilla raiding was infinitely more fun than raiding in more recent expansions. While the content wasn't especially difficult, the fun and challenge was doing it with other people and figuring out most of the content yourself. Now with things like LFR and so much PTR testing, most of the encounters are solved with guides/videos before things even hit live servers.
I miss TBC pvp too. Oh well, WoW was good for several years.
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On June 13 2013 00:44 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 16:34 krutopatkin wrote:On June 12 2013 14:17 deth2munkies wrote:On June 11 2013 20:29 krutopatkin wrote:On June 11 2013 20:07 Kuzmorgo wrote:On June 11 2013 19:42 krutopatkin wrote:On June 11 2013 11:53 TheZanthex wrote:
Realistically how many people play on Feenix? I don't want to waste my time downloading a client for a dead and / or really buggy server. Either good scripts or many people, can't get both right now sadly When I last played on feenix vanila like a year ago, there were a couple hundred people online usually, It sometimes even exceeded 1k, which is pretty good for a private server imho. You could reliably do BGs and instances. What I really liked about the server is that it has been maintained for years, so its not like many others which are abandoned after a while. The downside is they are ddosed a lot, so sometimes its unplayable for days. They focused a lot on scripting dungeons to be exactly blizzlike, and as bug-free as possible. And you can request 1x exp rate. However i have not played on it for a while, so maybe somethings have changed. Based on my old experiences though i would recommend it. Well if they focused a lot on the dungeons they failed pretty hard (and they didn't, they pressed hard to bring naxx out without ever fixing aq/bwl/mc/5 man dungeons) Seriously, the server exists for like 3 or 4 years and they still don't manage to script their instances decently, not to mention the skills. The only good thing about feenix is the population, that's why I said you have to choose between a lot of people or good scripts. I've had no problems with deadmines and no problems reported for stockades, Molten Core, or SFK by my guildies. The only scripted thing that had a penchant for screwing up was the Bly encounter in ZF. Idk about low level instances, pretty sure you can run them but the bosses just don't do anything at all. Couple of bugs I know for MC out of my head: -Lucifron walkpath bugged -Imps before luci and magmadar don't add all at once -In general most bosses deal too much damage -Majo and all his adds spawn at the same spot -Trash has no abilities at all (nearly) -Shazzrah selfbuff not dispellable -Geddont doesn't do his 2 % emote+ability -Harbringer adds don't heal each other -Raggy ranged knockback not working That's just out of my head, there's plenty more. Might be some of them are fixed by now because it has been quite some time I have raided on feenix. But that's just an impression how 90% of the server got its gear. And I could do the same for most classes and instances. This is a relatively new server that launched last year (Emerald Dream), they must have fixed most if not all of those.
Emerald Dream is just another server by feenix, feenix itself and its oldest server exists for 3 years or so. All the bugs on their main server are also to be found on Emerald Dream.
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Unfortunately this thread caught mine and a friend of mines eye. I quit after vanilla because i didnt find it as fun for what i played for.
Me and him are currently leveling on the vanilla emerald dream server, 1x experience etc. If anyone cares to join - handle is skittlz. At the least going to sixty and doing all the non-raid dungeons, hopefully get down on a lot of pvp. Shame the x1 server isnt as populated.
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Vanilla was not as good as it is through rose-tinted goggles. At least from a PvP standpoint, BC/Wrath were infinitely better. Some people preferred BC arena, but Wrath had much better class representation.
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i disagree. I loved the pvp, doing premades vs other premades from the same server, especially pre cross server, getting super real about the match. The best times weren't necessarily the game itself, and i loved the pvp in vanilla lol. but the premades and fun i had with the old horde group on black dragon flight server, getting people to warlord n such, good fun.
I reached general before i stopped, the pvp was great but a different dynamic from arena fighting.
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On June 13 2013 05:48 Crownlol wrote:
Vanilla was not as good as it is through rose-tinted goggles. At least from a PvP standpoint, BC/Wrath were infinitely better. Some people preferred BC arena, but Wrath had much better class representation.
Death Knights broke the first 2 seasons of Wrath...and I agree from a balance perspective, but from a fun perspective: there was no comparison to the Tarren Mill/Crossroads battles that happened in Vanilla. That and the old AV with all the quests and extra NPCs gave it a much more epic feel. Plus, next to nobody knew what the fuck they were doing for the first year or so, even HWLs were bad compared to people who were "good at PvP" in BC.
Again, it was more "balanced" and "competitive" later, but more FUN earlier.
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On June 13 2013 01:16 Masq wrote:
Vanilla raiding was infinitely more fun than raiding in more recent expansions. While the content wasn't especially difficult, the fun and challenge was doing it with other people and figuring out most of the content yourself. Now with things like LFR and so much PTR testing, most of the encounters are solved with guides/videos before things even hit live servers.
We had Clockwork (now the famous Android dev) programming our RDX on the fly and live updating each of our clients with new timings/instructions. We also spent like 2 hours practicing rotations before 4HM. Not actually doing the 4HM fight, just practicing running around in the room before it and making sure people were rotating. >.>
Although we did cheat off Nihilum's KT video to learn it a lot faster.
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I registered on the server but I'd like to find some liquidians to play with. I am a complete noob to WoW so any tip is apreciated. My name ingame is Swayhill, PM me so we can play together.
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On June 13 2013 19:06 loginn wrote:
I registered on the server but I'd like to find some liquidians to play with. I am a complete noob to WoW so any tip is apreciated. My name ingame is Swayhill, PM me so we can play together.
1) Alliance or Horde?
2) If you're not doing this for nostalgia value, you're going to get frustrated and ragequit very soon.
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On June 13 2013 12:06 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 05:48 Crownlol wrote:
Vanilla was not as good as it is through rose-tinted goggles. At least from a PvP standpoint, BC/Wrath were infinitely better. Some people preferred BC arena, but Wrath had much better class representation. Death Knights broke the first 2 seasons of Wrath...and I agree from a balance perspective, but from a fun perspective: there was no comparison to the Tarren Mill/Crossroads battles that happened in Vanilla. That and the old AV with all the quests and extra NPCs gave it a much more epic feel. Plus, next to nobody knew what the fuck they were doing for the first year or so, even HWLs were bad compared to people who were "good at PvP" in BC. Again, it was more "balanced" and "competitive" later, but more FUN earlier.
HWLs were just people who had way too much time on their hands, I literally grinded up my way to up Commander 1 time and had to to step back and re-examine my life.
BGs just didn't play out right after the changes to it, especially AV. I can understand that 3 hour AVs aren't fun all the time, but to have both sides just ride past each other was umm no thanks.
Arenas was interesting namely because it was funny watching Blizzard go against the impossible. I was genuinely interested on how they were going to deal with the PvP versus PvE dilemma, the dumpster tier players complaining about EVERYTHING, and where they were going with each expansion.
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WSG was fun but much too turtle-y against evenly matched teams, plus gear played such a huge role. We used to run group WSG's in our Sapph gear just to piss off all the frost mages. Our MT was essentially unkillable by anyone in HWL gear.
I thought AB was the most balanced of any of the PvP options and I think it would've been Blizzard's best opportunity to make an ESPORT out of WoW. Lots of points of action but easy to jump around and you have objectives to look towards rather than just players dying - it's something for viewers to keep track of (like towers/bases in LoL/DotA/SC2.) You'd also be able to use a spectator camera to get neat panoramic views, plus the tension of multipronged/sneaky attacks.
Plus it was less gear dependent than anything else. When we rerolled, we would get destroyed in straight up fights against T3 teams but we could outmaneuver most of them and our teamwork was much better, so we pulled off some pretty hilarious upsets against DnT's and Dread's, in our lvl 53 blues. 
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Dude, 3 hour AVs were total epicness to me at least (from a hunter's perspective)
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