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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
Made a comment on a video and a guy is like "You haven't played Vanilla and yet you talk about it", that struck a nerve and so I replied with a giant wall of text with everything that I know and have experienced from Vanilla beta to WoD and also said that he must have a giant catalog of games that I have and have not played for a random person on the internet that he doesn't even know. The guy is simply like "Point taken." And now you know, and knowing is half the battle! | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10126 Posts
On April 28 2016 18:33 Redox wrote: This whole Twinstar thing looks pretty professional. How commercial are they? Just wondering if there is a good chance they will be shut down. Quite probably, chinese gold sellers are already there. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On April 28 2016 21:02 Incognoto wrote: Why would those servers remain up if the other servers got closed by Blizzard? Because they're not going to send a takedown letter unless they have enough to win a lawsuit, and that requires a lot of time and research, which they're not going to bother with until it gets too big. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On April 28 2016 21:02 Disengaged wrote: Heres a lesson for everyone, don't reply to youtube comments about this subject Made a comment on a video and a guy is like "You haven't played Vanilla and yet you talk about it", that struck a nerve and so I replied with a giant wall of text with everything that I know and have experienced from Vanilla beta to WoD and also said that he must have a giant catalog of games that I have and have not played for a random person on the internet that he doesn't even know. The guy is simply like "Point taken." And now you know, and knowing is half the battle! Why not share that post here? would help vent and also i'm curious | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21663 Posts
On April 28 2016 21:45 deth2munkies wrote: Because they're not going to send a takedown letter unless they have enough to win a lawsuit, and that requires a lot of time and research, which they're not going to bother with until it gets too big. What? A lot of research to do what? Someone is running a vanilla wow server, easy enough to see. Find the company that is hosting it, easy to do. Send Cease and Desist letter. Boom, done. Now Blizzard doesn't bother with it for Joey and his 5 friends but if a server gets big enough to show up on Blizzards radar then they will have it shut down. It doesn't take months of 'research' to somehow build a case that a private wow server is infringing on IP lol. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On April 28 2016 21:51 Gorsameth wrote: What? A lot of research to do what? Someone is running a vanilla wow server, easy enough to see. Find the company that is hosting it, easy to do. Send Cease and Desist letter. Boom, done. Now Blizzard doesn't bother with it for Joey and his 5 friends but if a server gets big enough to show up on Blizzards radar then they will have it shut down. It doesn't take months of 'research' to somehow build a case that a private wow server is infringing on IP lol. They have to get their hands on the code for the server, separate each infringing part, and find the actual people running it with a lot more evidence than just an IP address. If you'll recall, the one private server case that went the distance to appellate review was solely about the Warden software because that was the only actually protected piece of IP they could prove was infringed. Pure computer code itself is not protectable by copyright or patent on its own.* It's also worth it to note that in order to send a DMCA takedown notice, they have to know exactly which IP is being infringed and be able to articulate that and exactly where it is on the service provider's servers. Which can be more difficult than you might think with regards to stuff like private servers. Aside: + Show Spoiler + The reason why Youtube and Twitch stuff gets censored isn't because of DMCA takedown notices, it's because of individual content ID bots that are part of those sites' terms of service. It has nothing to do with the actual DMCA., *+ Show Spoiler + Code is pretty much never copyrightable, but some software patents have been issued for certain processes, and they're controversial as hell because they can be mightily abused and stunt the growth of the industry because suddenly no one can use an efficient way to sort things (for example). | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10126 Posts
And probably, also a lot of people who joined thanks to the streissand effect. | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
If I was blizzard, I would wait to close them until legion released or wait till it does releases and then advocate for their closure. Many vanilla server has always been closed down for ages, it wasn't until WoD put everyone on tilt that people started acting | ||
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whuderE
53 Posts
My first max level char was at 70 so I missed out on most of vanilla. One of my friends is younger and complains that you have to run everywhere, we tried to explain that's part of the fun but he didn't get it lol. Now if only I can talk him in to EQ1 | ||
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lestye
United States4163 Posts
On April 27 2016 22:44 Gorsameth wrote: I would have to disagree. We were all terrible back then and for the most part didn't know what we were doing. Drop a full end of vanilla server and you will have people clearing Zul'Gurub/AQ20 in blues, MC is a joke and BWL will be dead as soon as 3 tanks get an Onyxia cloak (think it was 3 for Ebonroc). AQ 40 will take a bit more time, mostly to farm nature resist for Huhuru, the Twins require some actually gear because of the fight length and I guess C'thun will still be hard. Naxx, the major roadblock will be gearing enough tanks for 4 horsemen, just like it was back in the day. This is very true. I think that the first group that cleared it on Nostralius without a single wipe. It was puggable in a few weeks of release. 4 horsemen wouldnt be as hard because u know about it while ur farming BWL. That and people not know about the safe spot now. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10126 Posts
On April 29 2016 11:57 whuderE wrote: Notsalrious has a new server called the rebirth. Haven't thought about playing WoW since wrath but my friends got me to play and I'm enjoying vanilla so far. My first max level char was at 70 so I missed out on most of vanilla. One of my friends is younger and complains that you have to run everywhere, we tried to explain that's part of the fun but he didn't get it lol. Now if only I can talk him in to EQ1 Tell him about waiting 30 minutes in a boat to reach destination. He will be thrilled from what you are telling xD. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
There are people (just like there are SC: BW players that won't settle for SC2 no matter what SC2 incorporates from BW) that wants to play the original WoW. It's going to be near impossible for them to accept anything other than Vanilla WoW. But I'd love to hear some ideas for a Pristine server more than "turn XP accelaration off, no flying mounts". | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21663 Posts
On April 29 2016 22:17 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: The fact that Blizzard are even discussing this idea of a so-called "Pristine Server" to me shows how immense the gap actually is between what Blizzard thinks people want and what people actually want. Blizzard is very much aware of what people want. They also know they will never give them that. So instead they think about something they can deliver and that people might settle for. | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
On April 29 2016 22:21 Gorsameth wrote: Blizzard is very much aware of what people want. They also know they will never give them that. So instead they think about something they can deliver and that people might settle for. Well the fact that blizzard actually believe their compromise is a reasonable request /alternative is quiet funny. Either they are treating their customers like idiots or they are so blind that they can not see how far their game has deviated from their original product that pristine realm would never work. The more work they put into pristine realm may cause delay on some content for new expansion which would piss the other people off. Considering how bad blizzards are at doing this already, I don't think pristine realm will ever happen. Best case is to take in Nos imo and add small fee. Less work for everyone and everyone benefit. May have to accept not being able to incorporate it into BNET2.0. Honestly don't see how this will hurt anyone in the end. | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
I'm sure at some point very early on someone said "let's have a different kind of server to satisfy a different kind of player" and it just never got implemented. And now with the popularity of vanilla WoW with the petition and everything, it's only natural for them to reassess the idea. I think they should take it a step further and talk about tweaking stats to make combat more difficult and consider adding things like exp loss for deaths, removing flight paths, removing paths where no mobs wander, etc. If you want your exp back, find a priest to res you. If you want to travel fast, find a warlock to summon you or a mage to port you. If you want to travel by foot safely, find a higher level to escort you. These things build community. I think it'd be hilarious if the WoW devs just said fuck it, we're gonna make a server rule set more difficult than you even imagined. You already played vanilla, probably multiple times now, so we're gonna give you hard mode WoW. Anyway, it's not like their response to the Nostalrius petition is pristine servers exactly. Pristine servers is an old idea that they're reassessing. And it's the community who wants the dev team to communicate even when they don't have any good solutions to offer, so it's unreasonable or unfair for the community to come down so harshly when the dev team agrees to let them in on their private meetings. I mean yeah, give them feedback, but don't hold bad ideas against them. Every successful enterprise was preceded by bad ideas and failures. | ||
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ref4
2933 Posts
On April 29 2016 23:01 SheaR619 wrote: Either they are treating their customers like idiots or they are so blind that they can not see how far their game has deviated from their original product that pristine realm would never work. With Blizzard it's the combination of those 2 plus an ego the size of the milky way. | ||
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lestye
United States4163 Posts
On April 29 2016 22:17 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: The fact that Blizzard are even discussing this idea of a so-called "Pristine Server" to me shows how immense the gap actually is between what Blizzard thinks people want and what people actually want. What's so bad about a Pristine server? That's something I would play on. I really don't get the hate on Pristine servers. I understand that the people who want legacy servers aren't going to settle for pristine servers (ultimately its not the game they want) , but pristine servers themselves sound awesome. | ||
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
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