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Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
September 26 2013 16:38 GMT
#141
On September 23 2013 22:39 TheMango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 14:05 Earll wrote:
so 1 question, the tweets on the top with donations, it seems like the players are spoiling what roles they are there/is there any way to avoid that? i mean 80% of the fun is having your own theories of who has what roles and if it keeps popping up who is what at the top of the screen who has what roles it ruins the fun B( or, rewatching this game now it seems like they were giving out false info? i dont know what to think anymore.

holy fuck if they had let suppy win there i would have raged. They had the plan of voting out suppy super early but then started FPSing as its called in poker (fancy play syndrome) and started accusing the 2 most townie people throughought the entire game who were not confirmed whereas all suppy had done was just sit there and be pretty quiet as they accused eachother. And it was super obvious it was suppy as he was just clinging to ribo being innocent as it was his only hope of winning, not because there was any good reason for it. started watching itr just a little bit last night and ended up watching the entire vod and now its 9 am


The donations were from viewers, and if any role claims were mentioned, they were just speculation and not spoilers.



Ah, just noted it said the name of a player infront of every donation, like Donation 5$ TrumpSC: I am mafiaaaa . that just means the donation goes to that player, or is done in that "players name" or something?
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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
September 26 2013 20:23 GMT
#142
http://imgur.com/k053obd

Saving this here so I can find it later... you are the man urgo. I swear every single one of your gifs is awesome.... and those propaganda pics were really awesome!
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
September 26 2013 23:40 GMT
#143
plebs don't know how great of a mod I am
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Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 00:28:29
September 26 2013 23:46 GMT
#144
So uhh question , is there any rules against playing specifically to counter roles, namely hypno? If on day 1 you just created a specific order where everyone says a a random villa role (maybe everyone says cop or half say cop half say medic) at the start of every day quickly and after eachother, it counteracts the hypno potentially outing a good town role, whereas a mafia still has to say he is mafia and obv nobody would fake claim mafia.

Edit: annoys me when they dont play like i think they should, watching 2nd game now where sheth claims vigi (fake or not I dont know yet.) And they are not sure what to do\whether sheth is real or not think he could be vigi. What they should say is Tell sheth Either he kills Jaison as vigi in the night, or he gets lynched next day.


Edit: going to assume the vigi can only kill 1 person in a game by how they are playing? :s (someone please confirm\deny)
Wat
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 00:36:41
September 27 2013 00:18 GMT
#145
Any other streams of this on days other than Mon/Weds?
Ente
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1795 Posts
October 02 2013 23:38 GMT
#146
check all the vods? :D dont think so (hope not.. else I would have to watch even more)
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TheMango
Profile Joined April 2007
United States1967 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-03 06:49:46
October 03 2013 06:49 GMT
#147
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UHF
Profile Joined April 2012
Australia58 Posts
October 03 2013 08:38 GMT
#148
I'd like to hear some thought behinds Storr's playstyle a little. I was getting a frustrated in chat (which was poor form), but I'm kind of struggling to understand. I'll put forward two instances that occurred, to show why I think the hyper aggressive style he is moving towards is no longer good for town.

1. Last weeks game 1
Within the first minute of day 1, Storr says "Daniel is Mafia. I want to lynch Daniel". Daniel gets formalled, a few people poke at him a bit and just before going to vote he reveals he is Cop, and ends up dying soon after. As it was only 1 minute into the game, the majority of the players hadn't even spoken. Later Storr claims he had no reason for formalling Daniel and wouldn't have voted, yet earlier he made it clear he wanted to lynch him. After rewatching the VOD, i do not blame Daniel for thinking he might be voted off, as it felt like he could have been.

2. This week game 1
Storr claims town on day 1. He goes hard on Cable, saying he wants to formal him (and lynch IIRC). Storr claims town on day 2. Storr keeps bringing up Cable, until he eventually gets formalled and voted out. Storr then claims Vigi, making the real Vigi reveal his role in a counter claim - Vigi ends up shooting him out of frustration for forcing him to reveal against his will. At the end of the game we learn the Cable was Cop.

In both games, players were directly asking why Storr was going hard after these players, and in both cases no reason was given. After each game (IIRC), players commented that they thought Storr had some sort of knowledge not available to vanilla town for him to push so hard on certain players.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, in both cases Storr was unintentionally misleading town, or at the very least unintentionally confusing them. I personally was extremely confused why Storr was making these plays and it felt very Mafia - but in a way too obvious way. Whilst he was trying to gain information or act in a way he thought was correct, it lead to important town roles both be revealed and killed. Furthermore it lead to town roles/players get frustrated with his play, and make plays that may not have been in towns interest. Now whether Storr thought these plays were the right ones to make, I felt like he was not considering what the entire town wanted to do. If someone asks you to back down and give some room to possibly question other players, isn't it pro-town play to do so - especially considering Storr had no solid evidence or reason to push so hard on these players?

Lastly, i think there is one other important factor that makes Storr's style very dangerous - the unwritten rule of not discussing your vote before you go to vote. A month or so ago, the person on the chopping block could get some sort of idea if they were going to get lynched. If you were a role, there was at least some some comfort in knowing 3 or 4 people weren't going to vote. However with the no vote discussing rule, town roles are obviously a lot more likely to reveal themselves in case they were voted off with information the town needs. This has been very evident in the last couple of weeks.

I understand the idea behind getting town moving along, and putting pressure on people, however I'm struggling to understand this hyper aggressive style Storr has taken up (he has always been aggressive, but lately it's over 9000).
Graphic designer & content creation | Always on the look-out for opportunities! | @NvUHF
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 03 2013 09:47 GMT
#149
That's what god invented policy lynches for.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
October 06 2013 00:55 GMT
#150
On October 03 2013 17:38 UHF wrote:
I'd like to hear some thought behinds Storr's playstyle a little. I was getting a frustrated in chat (which was poor form), but I'm kind of struggling to understand. I'll put forward two instances that occurred, to show why I think the hyper aggressive style he is moving towards is no longer good for town.

1. Last weeks game 1
Within the first minute of day 1, Storr says "Daniel is Mafia. I want to lynch Daniel". Daniel gets formalled, a few people poke at him a bit and just before going to vote he reveals he is Cop, and ends up dying soon after. As it was only 1 minute into the game, the majority of the players hadn't even spoken. Later Storr claims he had no reason for formalling Daniel and wouldn't have voted, yet earlier he made it clear he wanted to lynch him. After rewatching the VOD, i do not blame Daniel for thinking he might be voted off, as it felt like he could have been.

2. This week game 1
Storr claims town on day 1. He goes hard on Cable, saying he wants to formal him (and lynch IIRC). Storr claims town on day 2. Storr keeps bringing up Cable, until he eventually gets formalled and voted out. Storr then claims Vigi, making the real Vigi reveal his role in a counter claim - Vigi ends up shooting him out of frustration for forcing him to reveal against his will. At the end of the game we learn the Cable was Cop.

In both games, players were directly asking why Storr was going hard after these players, and in both cases no reason was given. After each game (IIRC), players commented that they thought Storr had some sort of knowledge not available to vanilla town for him to push so hard on certain players.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, in both cases Storr was unintentionally misleading town, or at the very least unintentionally confusing them. I personally was extremely confused why Storr was making these plays and it felt very Mafia - but in a way too obvious way. Whilst he was trying to gain information or act in a way he thought was correct, it lead to important town roles both be revealed and killed. Furthermore it lead to town roles/players get frustrated with his play, and make plays that may not have been in towns interest. Now whether Storr thought these plays were the right ones to make, I felt like he was not considering what the entire town wanted to do. If someone asks you to back down and give some room to possibly question other players, isn't it pro-town play to do so - especially considering Storr had no solid evidence or reason to push so hard on these players?

Lastly, i think there is one other important factor that makes Storr's style very dangerous - the unwritten rule of not discussing your vote before you go to vote. A month or so ago, the person on the chopping block could get some sort of idea if they were going to get lynched. If you were a role, there was at least some some comfort in knowing 3 or 4 people weren't going to vote. However with the no vote discussing rule, town roles are obviously a lot more likely to reveal themselves in case they were voted off with information the town needs. This has been very evident in the last couple of weeks.

I understand the idea behind getting town moving along, and putting pressure on people, however I'm struggling to understand this hyper aggressive style Storr has taken up (he has always been aggressive, but lately it's over 9000).

long post, so i'm not going to address it all.
Your point 1 is incorrect. Storr's reasoning for pushing on daniel early on day 1 was because Storr heard someone say that they were cop at the start of the round (it was phil, but storr didnt know that), and then Daniel kept trying to draw out who said that they were cop (because daniel was in fact cop). Storr interpreted this as mafia play, and thinking the hypno cop claim was genuine made an effort to stop the cop hypno claim from being outed (as not many people heard it).
UHF
Profile Joined April 2012
Australia58 Posts
October 06 2013 07:34 GMT
#151
On October 06 2013 09:55 Dgiese wrote:
long post, so i'm not going to address it all.
Your point 1 is incorrect. Storr's reasoning for pushing on daniel early on day 1 was because Storr heard someone say that they were cop at the start of the round (it was phil, but storr didnt know that), and then Daniel kept trying to draw out who said that they were cop (because daniel was in fact cop). Storr interpreted this as mafia play, and thinking the hypno cop claim was genuine made an effort to stop the cop hypno claim from being outed (as not many people heard it).



Daniel did make a remark about Phil, however when people questioned Storr why he was going on Daniel, Storr gave no concrete reason. Later on when they again questioned Storr, he gave false statements about Daniels action, and stated he has no reason for wanting to formal him.

So I would argue my point is correct, as he was unintentionally misleading or confusing town by withholding information that no one else seemed to have.
Graphic designer & content creation | Always on the look-out for opportunities! | @NvUHF
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9179 Posts
October 10 2013 03:59 GMT
#152
highlight of the day:

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Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
October 11 2013 20:35 GMT
#153
On September 27 2013 08:46 Earll wrote:
So uhh question , is there any rules against playing specifically to counter roles, namely hypno? If on day 1 you just created a specific order where everyone says a a random villa role (maybe everyone says cop or half say cop half say medic) at the start of every day quickly and after eachother, it counteracts the hypno potentially outing a good town role, whereas a mafia still has to say he is mafia and obv nobody would fake claim mafia.

Edit: annoys me when they dont play like i think they should, watching 2nd game now where sheth claims vigi (fake or not I dont know yet.) And they are not sure what to do\whether sheth is real or not think he could be vigi. What they should say is Tell sheth Either he kills Jaison as vigi in the night, or he gets lynched next day.


Edit: going to assume the vigi can only kill 1 person in a game by how they are playing? :s (someone please confirm\deny)

I suggested this once on stream, but I think the best way to handle hypno is to have everyone just be quiet for the first 30 seconds of day time. A hypno outing a mafia is really strong (it's a confirmed check because nobody else is going to say "I'm mafia"), and this guarantees that it does not go unnoticed.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13922 Posts
October 15 2013 19:55 GMT
#154
@UHF well over 9k

in short, shit happens. people can say for what ever reason why i did what i did. But the reality comes down to, i picked someone and i figured they are good to look at. pressure happens in some cases ill hit a role. in others ill hit a mafia. some i hit town. I feel votes are really important for town, especially on days when we have 2 lynches.

As for cable, yeah i pushed on him hard all game day 1. And in reality if he had been voted on as the first or second lynch the vote in almost all certainty would have failed. As the game dragged on, mafia latched onto him (kelly and loda). Town got tired, town wanted a second lynch and after 7+ lynches had been done it gets easier and easier for the lynch to go imo.

Do i regret pushing on Daniel or cable? no. Do i think they could have played differently perhaps.
I understand my play is blunt brash and w/e else you want to say, however please understand this is a game and not RL.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
UHF
Profile Joined April 2012
Australia58 Posts
October 16 2013 02:47 GMT
#155
On October 16 2013 04:55 StorrZerg wrote:
@UHF well over 9k

in short, shit happens. people can say for what ever reason why i did what i did. But the reality comes down to, i picked someone and i figured they are good to look at. pressure happens in some cases ill hit a role. in others ill hit a mafia. some i hit town. I feel votes are really important for town, especially on days when we have 2 lynches.

As for cable, yeah i pushed on him hard all game day 1. And in reality if he had been voted on as the first or second lynch the vote in almost all certainty would have failed. As the game dragged on, mafia latched onto him (kelly and loda). Town got tired, town wanted a second lynch and after 7+ lynches had been done it gets easier and easier for the lynch to go imo.

Do i regret pushing on Daniel or cable? no. Do i think they could have played differently perhaps.
I understand my play is blunt brash and w/e else you want to say, however please understand this is a game and not RL.


Oh no, don't take it personally. It's really nothing against you on a personal level, just your gameplay at times.

I feel like a lot of your actions are very non-obvious (whether or not intentional). I think it's great that you try and push town forward, but think the way you've been doing it lately gives mixed signals and a lot of the time it gets you killed, town killed, or leaves town confused.

Anyway I don't want to come off preachy, as I do find the games entertaining and have to come accept your latest style of playing I'll end by saying I would love it if you played a tiny bit more diplomatic and were a bit more transparent with your gameplay. I think you'd be an even greater service to your townsmen.
Graphic designer & content creation | Always on the look-out for opportunities! | @NvUHF
Murgel
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden175 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-23 03:16:47
October 23 2013 03:09 GMT
#156
On September 27 2013 09:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Any other streams of this on days other than Mon/Weds?


Found them! Live now. www.dailymafia.com
Kuchikikun
Profile Joined March 2013
Italy560 Posts
October 31 2013 06:05 GMT
#157
Mango's costume is hilarious!
tOOkOmA4U
Profile Joined November 2006
Germany253 Posts
October 31 2013 06:39 GMT
#158
damn the end of tonight's game was pretty harsh, i really hope kiwi is alright. i like how neal said he's gonna have to have a word about this with him, he always seems to drink way too much. be well kiwi, and maybe start drinking a bit less from now on (or just stop drinking for good, alcohol suxx anyways imo).
~Smoke Weed Every Day~
Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
November 10 2013 22:18 GMT
#159
Ok so can someone help me understand why its not best to just leave both cops alive when theres a cop claim and a counterclaim in a 1KP game, like last esports mafias second game? Erik and Phil both claimed cop on day 1, there were 3 mafia 1 sniper 1 vigi and sometowns, and town did not seem sure who was the mafia. They were debating killing both (1 with sniper and 1 with vote). To me it seems like the super obvious play is to let both leave, most likely mafia kills the real cop in the night, then you can get a 100% mafia lynch next day. If mafia lets both live, you just let them live again and again, for every day you get 1 more check as cop, the longer this goes on the higher the chance is for either of the cops to check, or "check" one of the other roles, and as soon as that happens you know who is the mafia and who is the real cop. ¨

Wat
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13922 Posts
March 13 2018 00:03 GMT
#160
Reunion game tonight
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
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