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Nachtwind
Germany1130 Posts
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On April 26 2013 21:36 Emix_Squall wrote: Ohhh sry, you don't need it to play but you can't get live updates (which are planned), you can't go multi online (which is core in several games), you can't share (which is THE main Selling Point they have for PS4). So sorry I'll rephrase, you'll have a PS4 and use it like a PS2 ... awesome but I can sell you a PS2 for less than 50$ with 30 games if you want ... You realize there's a huge category of games that don't even have multiplayer right? Hell, I'm playing Hots campaign on a smurf account so I don't get messaged all the time. You can play multiplayer on 360, you can get updates on 360, you can share achievements on facebook with 360. NOTHING you just listed requires a next gen console. A next gen console features more powerful hardware to run more graphically advanced games, to run more expansive environments, to simulate more characters with better decision-making and more detail. The ability to wave around your epeen has nothing to do with next gen gaming. On April 26 2013 21:36 Emix_Squall wrote: EDIT: you shouldn't disprove things when you obviously know nothing on the topic (and relie on google search ...) Some people like verifying their information with actual sources. Some people rather just make shit up. Guess which you are and which I am. :| | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Not every country in the world has constant access to the internet and not every person in those countries has it either. I mean, over here its because of the download cap and how expensive it is, which is the same in many other 1st world countries too. Its absolute bollocks that if you want to play a single player game, you have to let it slowly eat your download cap too (albeit very slowly) some people over here even have a time limit on their internet (X hours every week) so thats harsher still. Absolute bollocks for a console to be DRM constant imho. What happens to the poor kids who's parents cant afford internet but manage to get them a console for xmas ? Screws over a lot of people in a lot of places really, doesnt really effect me as i wont be getting one either way though, i bought a PS3 once, ive barely touched it in 3 years | ||
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ViZe
United States1513 Posts
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Emix_Squall
France705 Posts
On April 26 2013 21:48 Martijn wrote: You realize there's a huge category of games that don't even have multiplayer right? Hell, I'm playing Hots campaign on a smurf account so I don't get messaged all the time. You can play multiplayer on 360, you can get updates on 360, you can share achievements on facebook with 360. NOTHING you just listed requires a next gen console. A next gen console features more powerful hardware to run more graphically advanced games, to run more expansive environments, to simulate more characters with better decision-making and more detail. The ability to wave around your epeen has nothing to do with next gen gaming. Some people like verifying their information with actual sources. Some people rather just make shit up. Guess which you are and which I am. :| AHAHAH cute, but i don't need to guess, It's my job to know .... If your idea of a next gen console is limited to better graphics this kind of closes the debate. You just don't know shit about consoles  And plz learn to read: - I wrote "live updates" not "updates" ... there's a pretty big difference - CoD doesn't sell 20M copies every new game mainly because of it's online multiplayer mode ... ohh wait ... it does - Share achievment? I thought it was obvious enough achievments aren't the thing to share anymore, people share gameplay footage (example: ever heard of that thing we call Twitch TV and watch SC2 on?) - Sure a better hardware gives better capacities for graphics, characs etc but it's NOT MANDATORY AT ALL ... Ask Nintendo about that ... They proved it with the Wii (and totally failed at doing it again with the Wii U) Bottomline, "eyes open" and "using your brain" should help you, don't throw that away for the sake of winning a forum argument. EDIT: and BTW when looking for specific information don't just Google thing ... Google the profesional platforms related to that industry than search within those platforms for the relevant information. Just a little basic advice. | ||
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Trumpet
United States1935 Posts
On April 26 2013 22:34 Emix_Squall wrote: AHAHAH cute, but i don't need to guess, It's my job to know .... If your idea of a next gen console is limited to better graphics this kind of closes the debate. You just don't know shit about consoles And plz learn to read: - I wrote "live updates" not "updates" ... there's a pretty big difference - CoD doesn't sell 20M copies every new game mainly because of it's online multiplayer mode ... ohh wait ... it does - Share achievment? I thought it was obvious enough achievments aren't the thing to share anymore, people share gameplay footage (example: ever heard of that thing we call Twitch TV and watch SC2 on?) - Sure a better hardware gives better capacities for graphics, characs etc but it's NOT MANDATORY AT ALL ... Ask Nintendo about that ... They proved it with the Wii (and totally failed at doing it again with the Wii U) Bottomline, "eyes open" and "using your brain" should help you, don't throw that away for the sake of winning a forum argument. EDIT: and BTW when looking for specific information don't just Google thing ... Google the profesional platforms related to that industry than search within those platforms for the relevant information. Just a little basic advice. ...what are you even going on about? You claimed that ps4 would require always online. Someone shows that it won't. He doesn't have to "know shit about consoles," you're still wrong lol | ||
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Keefmaster
Iceland12 Posts
i almost skipped out on starcraft 2 because of it but ended up buying it and dont regret it the thing is i simply can not think of a single, tiny PRO to having my console system require always-online. the CON´s however i can count plenty of those. just like my experience with assasins creed, i played the first one over at a friends house and thought it was good but a bit repetitive and it just needed a bit more "stuff" or "filling". when i heard about nr.2 i got excited, then i heard it would have a always online DRM that ubisoft called "uncrackable" and because of that my interest in the game vanished. i knew it would be unplayable for me because i had unstable internet. when the game released i heard so many people complain that the server was down so they could not play the single player game. about 2-3 months after release the game had been cracked and seeded to thepiratebay. the makers of the torrent were not happy about ubisofts DRM and had included a tiny runnable program that performed a DDOS attack on the ubisoft servers...............this kinda crap always hurts the loyal consumers while the pirates just lol. | ||
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SocialStigma
Australia29 Posts
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On April 26 2013 22:34 Emix_Squall wrote: AHAHAH cute, but i don't need to guess, It's my job to know .... If your idea of a next gen console is limited to better graphics this kind of closes the debate. You just don't know shit about consoles And plz learn to read: - I wrote "live updates" not "updates" ... there's a pretty big difference - CoD doesn't sell 20M copies every new game mainly because of it's online multiplayer mode ... ohh wait ... it does - Share achievment? I thought it was obvious enough achievments aren't the thing to share anymore, people share gameplay footage (example: ever heard of that thing we call Twitch TV and watch SC2 on?) - Sure a better hardware gives better capacities for graphics, characs etc but it's NOT MANDATORY AT ALL ... Ask Nintendo about that ... They proved it with the Wii (and totally failed at doing it again with the Wii U) Bottomline, "eyes open" and "using your brain" should help you, don't throw that away for the sake of winning a forum argument. EDIT: and BTW when looking for specific information don't just Google thing ... Google the profesional platforms related to that industry than search within those platforms for the relevant information. Just a little basic advice. - Live updates isn't even the right terminology -_- - I never said multiplayer games weren't successful, I said there's singleplayer games that are successful. You are completely missing the point! How are you not grasping that what you're saying has no relevance at all? - Jesus, I know a hell of a lot more about streaming than you, thank you. - Every generation of console has provided better graphics, richer experiences and more expansive games. Why do you think the snes replaced the nes? Because it had better facebook integration? Until the last generation of consoles we barely even had limited online play, yet somehow this is why we see different generations of consoles? The Wii had by far the worst online experience of all 3 consoles, so why in the world would you bring that up as an example? What, you think I can't find a neogaf thread about the PS4 not requiring always online? If you don't think Kotaku is credible, find me a more credible sources that proves you're right. You're still wrong. | ||
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Emix_Squall
France705 Posts
On April 26 2013 23:35 Martijn wrote: - Live updates isn't even the right terminology -_- Plz educate me on the right terminology for ingame content being updated while you are playing On April 26 2013 23:35 Martijn wrote:- I never said multiplayer games weren't successful, I said there's singleplayer games that are successful. You are completely missing the point! How are you not grasping that what you're saying has no relevance at all? Alright I kind of got off topic here, point granted On April 26 2013 23:35 Martijn wrote: - Jesus, I know a hell of a lot more about streaming than you, thank you. Oo .... Seriously? No argument? No explanation? Just "I know more than you" ... are we back in kindergarden? On April 26 2013 23:35 Martijn wrote: - Every generation of console has provided better graphics, richer experiences and more expansive games. Why do you think the snes replaced the nes? Because it had better facebook integration? Until the last generation of consoles we barely even had limited online play, yet somehow this is why we see different generations of consoles? The Wii had by far the worst online experience of all 3 consoles, so why in the world would you bring that up as an example? You totally missed the point here. The Wii proved that it was possible to move to the next generation of console without a significant leap forward in terms of graphics and specs; which you seem to think is the only reason behind a new generation of consoles. This year's generation is much more driven by connectivity than by graphic updates (not saying graphics updates aren't part of it -I precise this coz you tend to missread stuff- they definitely are part of it too). On April 26 2013 23:35 Martijn wrote:If you don't think Kotaku is credible, find me a more credible sources that proves you're right. The moment when you loose every single ounce of credibility. Kotaku is a very interesting media but it is also known to be the land of rumors. FYI Rumors aren't fact (you tend to mix up those 2 concepts too). User was warned for this post | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
Damn son, this actually looks neat as fuck. | ||
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alukarD
Mexico396 Posts
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
Article claims the new xbox won't require always online. Quotes internal email as source. Of course great news. Still no clarity on second hand games, but if this is true I think it's one less concern for many of us to deal with. | ||
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lambchops
United States63 Posts
Always connected requirement != Can't play games if not connected Has anyone wondered if, maybe it's more for maybe, a cloud backup service? I mean let's be practical, requiring internet ot play single player games would be ridiculous, but what if they're moving towards backing up your file in their cloud in case your hard drive fails? I think it'd be nifty, wouldn't want to spend 50 hours on a game to have my hard drive crash and have that be game over. | ||
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Iyerbeth
England2410 Posts
On May 08 2013 00:54 lambchops wrote: Always connected requirement != Can't play games if not connected That's actually exactly what it means. Always on doesn't mean there are features like non-local multiplayer and cloud storage, it means you are not allowed or able to use the thing if you're not online. SC2, for instance, isn't always on because you can play offline, even though you mostly need to use the Internet to play it properly. The discussion was an always on machine, particularly with regard to it being used as a means of DRM on games. At any rate, glad to hear the rumors might be false. | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On May 08 2013 00:41 Martijn wrote: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/microsoft-next-xbox-will-work-even-when-your-internet-doesnt/ Article claims the new xbox won't require always online. Quotes internal email as source. Of course great news. Still no clarity on second hand games, but if this is true I think it's one less concern for many of us to deal with. They wont be able to block used games for the simple reason that the PS4 doesn't and they cant afford to give market share by doing something that limits popularity of their console. Also always online is probably something that isn't a good idea for at least another 5 years so probably for the next (and likely final or at least penultimate) console generation when being always online wont be a major limiter anymore. | ||
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Velouria
United States78 Posts
On April 26 2013 22:17 ViZe wrote: Honestly I really enjoy playing games on consoles, it's just that I feel console games have been really weak in the past few years. I dont care! Uncharted 2, has been my favorite game from the first day I got it. A lot of the great games to come out have started from consoles, LIMBO, and Journey. | ||
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