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mTwRINE
Profile Joined February 2006
Germany318 Posts
August 20 2013 20:44 GMT
#1621
Sig with 70 star WR just now.
Maesy
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1444 Posts
August 20 2013 20:45 GMT
#1622
On August 21 2013 05:44 mTwRINE wrote:
Sig with 70 star WR just now.


Was siiick.
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Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
August 20 2013 23:10 GMT
#1623
That 70 run was sick =O
KingDime
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada750 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 14:53:34
August 21 2013 00:56 GMT
#1624
So I started up a list on current TL runners that aren't listed. Im sure i've missed people so toss me a PM and i'll edit this post.

Dime
http://www.twitch.tv/kingdime
(Doom 1 + 2 + Plutonia)

Ougaa
http://www.twitch.tv/ougaa
(Super Meat Boy + Hotline Miami)

Scintillia
http://www.twitch.tv/scintilliasd
(Okami)

Plexa
http://www.twitch.tv/tl_plexa
Golden Sun 1+2

Khyron
http://www.toaster.tv/khyron
Golden Sun + Dark Dawn

Xiphias
http://www.twitch.tv/kanban85
Braid

Games listed are what the runner currently runs on stream to my knowledge. If I listed all my games for example it would be like 6 or 7. Gets a little messy.
Doom Guy
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
August 21 2013 04:34 GMT
#1625
Scint was talking in irc like he was done with Okami now that SGDQ was over. I'm not sure if he's still going to be playing that or picking up a new game etc. He did mention looking for a new game to pick up, so idk.
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
August 21 2013 04:55 GMT
#1626
I run Golden Sun Dark Dawn and starting to pick up Golden Sun 2 because Plexa begged me into it, but cant stream due to laptop being a glorified toaster.
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
August 21 2013 10:34 GMT
#1627
Just watched Sigs 70 star run. That run is siiiiick.
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
August 21 2013 15:40 GMT
#1628
Now go watch the VC 120 star he did the other day with inverted colors lol
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
August 21 2013 15:49 GMT
#1629
That sounds like a headfuck i have to see.
Useless wet fish.
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
August 21 2013 16:23 GMT
#1630
On August 22 2013 00:49 Capped wrote:
That sounds like a headfuck i have to see.

Its actually pretty funny to watch. Linkey thing for the run
unsaintly
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany687 Posts
August 21 2013 17:37 GMT
#1631
I'm not as impressed with Sigs 70 and 120 run. He played a lot better in his N64 records. Sig is just so much better that he takes back/improves his records on VC with runs that could be labeled sloppy for Sig standards (which are pretty freaking high).

I think if he wanted to he could just grind out VC for a while and set records that will be untouchable for years
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
August 21 2013 18:12 GMT
#1632
The thing is and hes said it I dunno how many times that he HATES VC. The only reason it seems like hes doing them is because that people seem to think these randoms that get VC WRs with times way faster than his N64 times make them better than him. As a result hes just sitting the "idiots" down so to speak. It feels like hes just doing them to remind people that even when hes playing like shit hes still worlds better than all of us at the game
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
August 21 2013 23:48 GMT
#1633
Yeah Sig seems to talk the most while taking a VC record just to restate repeatedly how much he hates VC and how the VC records are dumb.
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
August 22 2013 00:14 GMT
#1634
BasedUrnGod is Siglemic right?
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
darklordjac
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2231 Posts
August 22 2013 00:25 GMT
#1635
On August 22 2013 09:14 RagequitBM wrote:
BasedUrnGod is Siglemic right?


Yep yep
Erraa93
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia891 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 10:12:20
August 22 2013 10:08 GMT
#1636
Cosmo with the WR pace so far in OoT IQue%

Edit: Nailed it. 19:15.69

approx 5 seconds faster than prev WR.
bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
August 22 2013 14:38 GMT
#1637
Hi guys, I’ve relapsed playing too much computer to do something ~productive~, a speedrun of one of my favourite old games Black and White by Lionhead Studios. Peter Molenyeux and his crew, come from Bullfrog (hello Populous and Dungeon Keeper), who went on to make B&W 2 and Fable etc.

Basically you’re a god (interacting via your dismembered floating hand), you have a (not-so-)giant creature, and you go about feeding, building, and impressing villages, plus defeating other gods by converting their villages. Notoriously difficult when released as no one knew how to play, the vast majority of people never completed half of the game.

Not until you try and speedrun it, in which case it gets majorly broken. Thing is, I’ve done a good amount of work, optimization and planning for this run, but I’ve run out of steam (and time, have a job and gotta prep for Uni instead or practicing practicing to optimize my movements for a dozen-year-old computer game no one will remember or understand) so I’ve got a crisis. I want to do this game and run justice, but I don’t think I can manage it myself. I’ve never been involved with actually running games, although I’ve enjoyed many a run on SDA (Deus Ex1 being my favourite), so I don’t know how to start a thread and get the word around if anyone wants to collaborate. Plus I don’t really know how to set up recording, or how I’d upload it, how their “no cheating guarantee” refereeing system works etc. Newbie here.

So, I’d be open to collaboration, but I really doubt I’ll find anyone else remotely passionate about this game anymore.

About the run. + Show Spoiler [You probably won’t understand any of t…] +
Here are the pretty big game-changers and discoveries, some well-known, some I’ve made.
1. This isn’t going to be a ‘Good God’ run ): By far the fastest way to capture a village is to kill all the inhabitants, which resets the belief requirements (you have to impress them a certain amount to capture), then repopulating slightly and impressing easily.
2. Most land’s victory conditions can be short-circuited by just destroying the opponent’s temple. Every time their temple is damaged, it heals itself by taking HP from village buildings and eventually villager’s lives. Highly evil, yet highly efficient way to kill everyone. Usually you win by converting all the villages, but if the village is completely desolate of life...
3. You can only do actions within a certain radius of your domain, your radius of influence, this prevents you from say, stealing all your opponent’s food, since you can’t reach them. The only way to extend influence is impressing your villages, capturing other villages, or planting size-5 town-centre scaffolds. Usually you can only dip outside your influence for a short time, not long enough to plant scaffolds far, so you’d have to leapfrog.
4. You can slow down time, pick up something, pause, move somewhere without influence, quickly unpause, and drop what you were holding. This is used to break the game. While you could drop flaming rocks on their temple, it gets better.
5. My biggest discovery was that you can arbitrarily proxy town centres anywhere. If you pause glitched a size-5 building scaffold to an area you have no influence (i.e. right outside their temple) it wouldn’t build. But if you glitch a size-4 field scaffold, then glitch another one onto it (warning, math!) 4+1=5 it will build! This way you can mercilessly pound away at their temple and kill them as fast as is possible.
6. In certain circumstances killing the temple won’t work, and you have to have influence near the village to kill/repopulate. Now use proxy TCs and lots of lightning (exception is Land 3, where by throwing around a specific NPC you can have a local region of influence).
7. I use unpatched version as it lets me economize (exploit) wood and food miracle seeds. I also steal food and wood when possible, and particularly steal Kazahar’s scaffolds.


To give you an indication of how abusive and quick this skips through the lands, you can complete a land before even constructing your temple, and I harvest one-shot miracle seeds from the first land which I carry through all the way to the last (5th). My creature sadly never learns anything as there’s too little time, I win before he’s even big enough to pick up a miracle seed (~4 hours currently).

Things that need doing: Finding skips for tutorial sequences, quest descriptions and cutscenes. I never actually considered eating Sable so I’ll try that. Currently I skip most things like Kazahar’s tutorials, since I steal his (food, wood and) scaffolds, so I win the land faster than he has time to explain things. Plus if you do it right you never have to build a workshop in the entire game, as you get them (stack to 5) from (both of) Kazahars and carry them through.
Ways to speed up the 3 fights (Guide, Sleg Land 4, Final). I could possibly cast lightning on their creature while managing to not hit mine, tricky though. I was considering working out my creature with stones, but its tricky to micro.
Way to make an artefact. With one artefact you can win the game, but you need enough idle worshippers and 3 nights, neither of which I ever have. I get particularly stuck for Lands 4 and 5. Land 4, I can’t afford to kill all the Japanese then repopulate since my main town is so devoid of villagers too. Land 5 having an artefact would greatly help capture the Tibetan village, since I have no time to train my creature how to do so, but no time for artefacts either...
I’m currently in the process of timing things out and seeing how few miracle seeds I can survive off of. Plus the question of completely neglect village vs. Build it a bit so their idleness can make artefacts.


So I’ll be very glad for any positive response.
BW4LYF . . . . . . PM me, I LOVE PMs. . . . . . Long live "NaDa's Body" . . . . . . Fantasy | Bisu/Best | Jaedong . . . . .
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
August 22 2013 14:53 GMT
#1638
Black and White is awesome and pause glitching seems completelly broken for that game. Should be a cool run if you manage to finish it. I would guess the creatures aren't really important for a speedrun?
bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
August 22 2013 16:08 GMT
#1639
They lose you time. It would go much quicker without any creature story or fights, but it’d also lose all plot. I mean, if you train them right they can help capturing villages, but it’s quicker to just make and abuse an artefact. It takes 17minutes minimum to teach the creature miracle flock (the 1v1 skirmish’s Norse village has 2 seeds, load, use, reload), and that’s without him learning to use it to impress. Plus, spells learnt in skirmish can’t be used in campaign until you show him it again, and I haven’t been able to find any flock seeds. There are dispensers you get as quest rewards, but those are only triggered after capturing the extra village etc. I mean it’d be possible to go through and by trial and lots of luck, find a spot that systematically has fireflies making good seeds, but it’s very unlikely. Actually, if I went through the code of the level it might give a few hints as to where some goodies are hidden.

Tricks and Glitches I plan on using:
Pause glitch to drop things where I’m not allowed
Proxying Town Centres via pause glitch
Feeding wood, then stealing lots of scaffolds from Kazahar (never have to build my own)
Quick tapping resource miracles to use one seed for loads of casts
Quick tapping to economize lightning miracles, 1 to kill a whole village [:
Using the throwable villager in Land3 instead of proxying (the other lands you can content yourself with killing the temple, but since two of the villages in L3 aren’t owned by Lethys killing his temple doesn’t kill them, so you have to do them manually)
Good route planning, optimization, bookmark cycling etc.


So yeah I wish I could use the creature, kinda like a “no hands” run where you train the creature, then he goes and converts everything. Problem being, half the time you don’t have access to him, and whenever you’re in enemy territory they never stop trying to kill him asap. You could prevent this by sniping their town centres (dropping a flaming rock, since they can’t get mana if their town’s under attack) but that needs fireballs, and I don’t have a reliable fast source of fireballs until L5.
I’d also like to do a run where it’s a bit more fair to the game, and less wanton carnage, a “Be Good” run. But that’d basically consist of making a couple artefacts and spamming them to victory, it’d take a bit longer and be less action-packed.
BW4LYF . . . . . . PM me, I LOVE PMs. . . . . . Long live "NaDa's Body" . . . . . . Fantasy | Bisu/Best | Jaedong . . . . .
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
August 22 2013 17:30 GMT
#1640
Why does Sig use that BasedUrnGod twitch acct?
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