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PandaCore
Germany553 Posts
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Maxyim
430 Posts
http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=5382&la=1&tag=betatester 2.6 Beta Tester’s Confidentiality Obligations + Show Spoiler + “Confidential Information” shall mean (a) any and all information relating to or contained in the Products, Software, Documentation, or other materials supplied to Beta Tester by Company in connection with the Beta Testing, including, without limitation, information relating to the performance, conditions, capabilities, and contents of the Products and Software, methods of reporting and conducting, modification schedule, modification process and its progress in the Beta Testing, AND RECIPIENT’S FEEDBACK, OPINIONS, SUGGESTIONS, AND COMMENTS (POSITIVE AND/OR NEGATIVE) REGARDING THE PRODUCT AND THE SOFTWARE, (b) the existence and the terms of this Agreement, (c) the Square Enix ID and password used by Beta Tester, or by any other Beta Tester, (d) THE IDENTITY OF BETA TESTER AND THE FACT THAT BETA TESTER IS PARTICIPATING IN THE BETA TEST, and (e) any and all information relating to the future or proposed products, services, or business operations of Company. Confidential Information includes, without limitation, all such information disclosed to Beta Tester prior to the execution of this Agreement. Beta Tester acknowledges and agrees that the Confidential Information constitutes valuable trade secrets of Company and (subject to the other terms of this Section 2.6) agrees to keep Confidential all Confidential Information, and only use Confidential Information in connection with Beta Tester’s participation in the Beta Test. Beta Tester shall not disclose, publish, distribute, transmit, post, or otherwise make available, directly or indirectly, any Confidential Information to Others. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU MAY NOT POST OR PUBLISH IN ANY WAY YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THE BETA TEST OR YOUR OPINION OF THE NON-RETAIL VERSION OF FINAL FANTASY XIV ONLINE. However, at some point during the Beta Test, Company may officially announce on the official Beta Test website or via email that certain specified materials may be uploaded and published. However, Beta Tester may disclose the Confidential Information in accordance with a judicial or governmental order; provided, however, that Beta Tester shall give Company a written notice prior to disclosure within a reasonable time and shall cooperate with Company in any efforts to obtain a protective order or its equivalent and shall comply with the same. Confidential Information will not, however, include any information that Recipient can prove by documentation (a) was publicly known and made generally available in the public domain prior to the time of disclosure to Beta Tester by Company, (b) became publicly known and made generally available after disclosure to Beta Tester by Company through no action or inaction of Beta Tester, or (c) was in the possession of Beta Tester, without confidentiality restrictions, at the time of disclosure by Company, as shown by Beta Tester’s files and records. BETA TESTER HEREBY ACKNOWLEDGES AND AGREES THAT, EVEN AFTER THE COMMERCIAL VERSION OF THE PRODUCT HAS BEEN RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC, BETA TESTER’S CONFIDENTIALITY OBLIGATIONS SHALL CONTINUE, EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE EXPRESSLY SET FORTH HEREIN. Beta Tester shall compensate Company for expenses incurred and any damages sustained by the Company as a result of breach of this Section 2.6 by the Beta Tester or by an individual receiving Confidential Information from Beta Tester in violation of this Section 2.6. No, I am not the internet gestapo; I seek to do all of you a favor. Do you really want to get on the wrong legal side of a multinational entity with an unlimited legal budget and a desperate need to redeem themselves with this project? | ||
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On April 07 2013 02:16 Maxyim wrote: Please stop violating the NDA in this thread. All of you are committing breach of contract. http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=5382&la=1&tag=betatester 2.6 Beta Tester’s Confidentiality Obligations + Show Spoiler + “Confidential Information” shall mean (a) any and all information relating to or contained in the Products, Software, Documentation, or other materials supplied to Beta Tester by Company in connection with the Beta Testing, including, without limitation, information relating to the performance, conditions, capabilities, and contents of the Products and Software, methods of reporting and conducting, modification schedule, modification process and its progress in the Beta Testing, AND RECIPIENT’S FEEDBACK, OPINIONS, SUGGESTIONS, AND COMMENTS (POSITIVE AND/OR NEGATIVE) REGARDING THE PRODUCT AND THE SOFTWARE, (b) the existence and the terms of this Agreement, (c) the Square Enix ID and password used by Beta Tester, or by any other Beta Tester, (d) THE IDENTITY OF BETA TESTER AND THE FACT THAT BETA TESTER IS PARTICIPATING IN THE BETA TEST, and (e) any and all information relating to the future or proposed products, services, or business operations of Company. Confidential Information includes, without limitation, all such information disclosed to Beta Tester prior to the execution of this Agreement. Beta Tester acknowledges and agrees that the Confidential Information constitutes valuable trade secrets of Company and (subject to the other terms of this Section 2.6) agrees to keep Confidential all Confidential Information, and only use Confidential Information in connection with Beta Tester’s participation in the Beta Test. Beta Tester shall not disclose, publish, distribute, transmit, post, or otherwise make available, directly or indirectly, any Confidential Information to Others. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU MAY NOT POST OR PUBLISH IN ANY WAY YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THE BETA TEST OR YOUR OPINION OF THE NON-RETAIL VERSION OF FINAL FANTASY XIV ONLINE. However, at some point during the Beta Test, Company may officially announce on the official Beta Test website or via email that certain specified materials may be uploaded and published. However, Beta Tester may disclose the Confidential Information in accordance with a judicial or governmental order; provided, however, that Beta Tester shall give Company a written notice prior to disclosure within a reasonable time and shall cooperate with Company in any efforts to obtain a protective order or its equivalent and shall comply with the same. Confidential Information will not, however, include any information that Recipient can prove by documentation (a) was publicly known and made generally available in the public domain prior to the time of disclosure to Beta Tester by Company, (b) became publicly known and made generally available after disclosure to Beta Tester by Company through no action or inaction of Beta Tester, or (c) was in the possession of Beta Tester, without confidentiality restrictions, at the time of disclosure by Company, as shown by Beta Tester’s files and records. BETA TESTER HEREBY ACKNOWLEDGES AND AGREES THAT, EVEN AFTER THE COMMERCIAL VERSION OF THE PRODUCT HAS BEEN RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC, BETA TESTER’S CONFIDENTIALITY OBLIGATIONS SHALL CONTINUE, EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE EXPRESSLY SET FORTH HEREIN. Beta Tester shall compensate Company for expenses incurred and any damages sustained by the Company as a result of breach of this Section 2.6 by the Beta Tester or by an individual receiving Confidential Information from Beta Tester in violation of this Section 2.6. No, I am not the internet gestapo; I seek to do all of you a favor. Do you really want to get on the wrong legal side of a multinational entity with an unlimited legal budget and a desperate need to redeem themselves with this project? Are you serious? The only thing they're going to do is revoke your beta invite. That's it. Are you going around and posting this in every thread that discusses the game? Do you do this for every game? Don't be the internet police, it looks terrible. If these people wish to share information about the game then let them do it. It makes no sense that any normal person would actually want people to stop discussing a completely remade game to see if it's worthwhile this time around or not. | ||
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PandaCore
Germany553 Posts
On April 07 2013 02:16 Maxyim wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Please stop violating the NDA in this thread. All of you discussing aspects of gameplay, etc are committing breach of contract. http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=5382&la=1&tag=betatester 2.6 Beta Tester’s Confidentiality Obligations + Show Spoiler + “Confidential Information” shall mean (a) any and all information relating to or contained in the Products, Software, Documentation, or other materials supplied to Beta Tester by Company in connection with the Beta Testing, including, without limitation, information relating to the performance, conditions, capabilities, and contents of the Products and Software, methods of reporting and conducting, modification schedule, modification process and its progress in the Beta Testing, AND RECIPIENT’S FEEDBACK, OPINIONS, SUGGESTIONS, AND COMMENTS (POSITIVE AND/OR NEGATIVE) REGARDING THE PRODUCT AND THE SOFTWARE, (b) the existence and the terms of this Agreement, (c) the Square Enix ID and password used by Beta Tester, or by any other Beta Tester, (d) THE IDENTITY OF BETA TESTER AND THE FACT THAT BETA TESTER IS PARTICIPATING IN THE BETA TEST, and (e) any and all information relating to the future or proposed products, services, or business operations of Company. Confidential Information includes, without limitation, all such information disclosed to Beta Tester prior to the execution of this Agreement. Beta Tester acknowledges and agrees that the Confidential Information constitutes valuable trade secrets of Company and (subject to the other terms of this Section 2.6) agrees to keep Confidential all Confidential Information, and only use Confidential Information in connection with Beta Tester’s participation in the Beta Test. Beta Tester shall not disclose, publish, distribute, transmit, post, or otherwise make available, directly or indirectly, any Confidential Information to Others. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU MAY NOT POST OR PUBLISH IN ANY WAY YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THE BETA TEST OR YOUR OPINION OF THE NON-RETAIL VERSION OF FINAL FANTASY XIV ONLINE. However, at some point during the Beta Test, Company may officially announce on the official Beta Test website or via email that certain specified materials may be uploaded and published. However, Beta Tester may disclose the Confidential Information in accordance with a judicial or governmental order; provided, however, that Beta Tester shall give Company a written notice prior to disclosure within a reasonable time and shall cooperate with Company in any efforts to obtain a protective order or its equivalent and shall comply with the same. Confidential Information will not, however, include any information that Recipient can prove by documentation (a) was publicly known and made generally available in the public domain prior to the time of disclosure to Beta Tester by Company, (b) became publicly known and made generally available after disclosure to Beta Tester by Company through no action or inaction of Beta Tester, or (c) was in the possession of Beta Tester, without confidentiality restrictions, at the time of disclosure by Company, as shown by Beta Tester’s files and records. BETA TESTER HEREBY ACKNOWLEDGES AND AGREES THAT, EVEN AFTER THE COMMERCIAL VERSION OF THE PRODUCT HAS BEEN RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC, BETA TESTER’S CONFIDENTIALITY OBLIGATIONS SHALL CONTINUE, EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE EXPRESSLY SET FORTH HEREIN. Beta Tester shall compensate Company for expenses incurred and any damages sustained by the Company as a result of breach of this Section 2.6 by the Beta Tester or by an individual receiving Confidential Information from Beta Tester in violation of this Section 2.6. No, I am not the internet gestapo; I seek to do all of you a favor. Do you really want to get on the wrong legal side of a multinational entity with an unlimited legal budget and a desperate need to redeem themselves with this project? There hasn't been anything revealed so far that you can't already see in the videos on Page 2 or even read on the public square enix forums. But since you technically aren't even allowed to post a simple opinion, I still edited my post. So I guess you have to wait until the NDA gets lifted for more information. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On April 07 2013 02:25 Infernal_dream wrote: Are you serious? The only thing they're going to do is revoke your beta invite. That's it. Are you going around and posting this in every thread that discusses the game? Do you do this for every game? Don't be the internet police, it looks terrible. If these people wish to share information about the game then let them do it. It makes no sense that any normal person would actually want people to stop discussing a completely remade game to see if it's worthwhile this time around or not. I agree that "get on the wrong legal side of a multinational entity" is gross exaggeration, but I do hope that TL is not used as a medium for such "leaks". | ||
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Maxyim
430 Posts
On April 07 2013 02:25 Infernal_dream wrote: Are you serious? The only thing they're going to do is revoke your beta invite. That's it. Are you going around and posting this in every thread that discusses the game? Do you do this for every game? Don't be the internet police, it looks terrible. If these people wish to share information about the game then let them do it. It makes no sense that any normal person would actually want people to stop discussing a completely remade game to see if it's worthwhile this time around or not. This is very simple, really. Breaking an NDA is not ethical. Ethical - do you know what that means? What is your justification for saying that "if people want to break an NDA, let them do it"? I think that you are the one who is looking terrible, my friend. | ||
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Zidane
United States1689 Posts
On April 07 2013 04:16 Maxyim wrote: This is very simple, really. Breaking an NDA is not ethical. Ethical - do you know what that means? What is your justification for saying that "if people want to break an NDA, let them do it"? I think that you are the one who is looking terrible, my friend. nah i'm pretty sure it's you. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On April 07 2013 04:39 AnomalySC2 wrote: So, fun or not? It looks refreshing in a non-refreshing way, if that makes any sense at all (probably not). I give it a thumbs up. It's very westernized, and a lot more fun than the first release. And breaking an NDA is hardly unethical. Doing something a major corporation doesn't want you to do is really not grounds for an ethics debate. If anything, noncompliance with the NDA will just generate more interest in the game. | ||
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Lycaeus
United States1420 Posts
You could really feel how much the previous betas failure affected the current state of the game. They've steered clear of all elements that is too risky or too far out there and went with the traditional standard MMO approach based in the Final Fantasy world. I can understand this approach and it does give them lee way to build in the direction they want with a strong start. | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On April 07 2013 07:38 Lycaeus wrote: Let's just say that if you compare the current beta with the old one, it's like night and day. Everything that was criticized and shunned was purged rather harshly. Now, in the current build nothing is revolutionary, and all the elements are actually just based off of current MMO's. You could really feel how much the previous betas failure affected the current state of the game. They've steered clear of all elements that is too risky or too far out there and went with the traditional standard MMO approach based in the Final Fantasy world. I can understand this approach and it does give them lee way to build in the direction they want with a strong start. When I saw the goblin models from FFXI, I laughed and immediately sent pics to my friends. I think that sums the whole thing up nicely: They kept what worked, and purged (nice word choice) what didn't. I'm really excited to play again. And I really hope it's as successful as FFXI has been. | ||
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On April 07 2013 04:16 Maxyim wrote: This is very simple, really. Breaking an NDA is not ethical. Ethical - do you know what that means? What is your justification for saying that "if people want to break an NDA, let them do it"? I think that you are the one who is looking terrible, my friend. Do you know what ethics are? Just because a compnay tells you something is wrong doesn't make it unethical. It means the company doesn't want you to do that particular thing. That has nothing at all to do with ethics. Very simple, really. My justification? People want and will share the information. Be it on TL, Reddit, Youtube, word of mouth or whatever else. And you know what else? That's a good thing. Trust me, I'm not the one looking terrible. You're playing white knight for no reason. The same NDA is used for every other game in closed betas, does that ever stop people? Nope. I streamed quite a bit of TERA under NDA and not a damn thing happened other than some friends saw it and ended up buying the game. Continue to seek to prosecute these people if you wish but others will be glad of the information that comes their way. | ||
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cozzE
Australia357 Posts
On April 07 2013 04:16 Maxyim wrote: This is very simple, really. Breaking an NDA is not ethical. Ethical - do you know what that means? What is your justification for saying that "if people want to break an NDA, let them do it"? I think that you are the one who is looking terrible, my friend. I'm still struggling to see why you're stating the plain obvious, better yet, questioning forum-goers' ethical and moral standpoint? It's plain stupidity. How does someone become 'unethical' if they release information? If people want to transgress let them do so. Your posts are actually quite disturbing, they remind me of Jehova's witnesses trying to warn me of an oncoming apocalypse.. | ||
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Pufftrees
2449 Posts
And as far as NDA. It's in place (IN MY OPINION) to stop someone from posting a large online review or creating an article about their beta product while it's still very incomplete. It's not to stop some enthusiasts on a gaming forum for discussing their initial thoughts. | ||
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PandaCore
Germany553 Posts
Can't really wait to play the next beta phase, that should say enough | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
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Comogury
United States412 Posts
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
- Limiting the number of quests you can complete in a given day. I am a weekend warrior these days so that does not work for me. - Lack of AH / Making item trading a tedious chore. - Terrible, Terrible Lag! - Storyline I couldn't care less about - Awful PC controls and interface (Although I side-stepped this by using a PS3 controller instead) If these 5 issues have been fixed, to me it will be worth checking this game out again... | ||
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Comogury
United States412 Posts
On April 13 2013 02:49 TheFish7 wrote: Damn I wish I knew there was a Beta weekend! I have been looking for a good MMO since I quit WoW like 3 years ago. I've been met with only disappointment, SWToR, Pandaria, and FF14 were all disappointing. I played FF11 so I was excited when FF14 came out. My list of grievances with Vanilla FF14: - Limiting the number of quests you can complete in a given day. I am a weekend warrior these days so that does not work for me. - Lack of AH / Making item trading a tedious chore. - Terrible, Terrible Lag! - Storyline I couldn't care less about - Awful PC controls and interface (Although I side-stepped this by using a PS3 controller instead) If these 5 issues have been fixed, to me it will be worth checking this game out again... It's closed beta right now. I think open beta will start in a month or two because right now it's in phase 2 of 4. Open beta will start during phase 3 (as well as the ps3 beta). The wikipedia article actually has a lot of good information on it about everything gameplay wise. The problems you mention seem to not be much of a factor in ARR. The interface seems pretty typical of open world MMORPGs, and probably not the kind that was in vanilla. You just click on stuff and hit buttons. The UI also changes on PC depending on whether you want to play on controller or keyboard. My only problem with the combat is that regular attacks are pretty much useless because they are really slow and MP/TP regenerates fairly quickly. Still looks pretty similar to the alpha videos: On February 11 2013 16:41 Eishi_Ki wrote: So it appears that since ARR has been in Alpha, some videos have come to light and have been posted on youtube, take a look The interface looks MASSIVELY improved as well as the leveling system etc, need to keep a close eye on this ARR PS3/controller interface. Old, but it pretty much looks like this still. My friends who played the vanilla beta said that getting regular equipment for one's level was pretty hard. It's not the case with ARR because you can actually buy equipment from vendors. Also, quests give equipment as rewards. As for crafting, I'm not really sure how to even do crafting. I admit that I haven't explored the beta as in depth as I probably should, but there really hasn't been a reason to do any crafting anyway. For quests, I don't know if there's a limit or not since it's just the beta, but I blew by the whole beta storyline in about 6-7 hours last week, which was something like 30+ quests. It's also almost impossible to grind monsters anyway because the exp you get is pretty much nothing. It seems like the only way to level up is through quests, guildleves, and FATEs (which if you played GW2, it's fairly similar to the dynamic event system from what I can tell). However, you may be referring to guildleves, which are restricted daily. I think you get like 6 tries every day or something like that. Overall, from what I've heard about vanilla compared to my experiences in ARR, ARR seems to be much better and more optimized for PC. It's also a really pretty game. | ||
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