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On January 25 2014 00:59 Avean wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 12:47 Sufficiency wrote:On January 24 2014 10:08 Holy_AT wrote:On January 24 2014 09:35 Unleashing wrote:On January 24 2014 08:45 Holy_AT wrote:
It is not mediocre, it is the best MMO that will be available. pfthahahaha, are you actually serious? On January 24 2014 08:45 Holy_AT wrote:
It has top graphics for an mmo, an immersive world and is going to have a good story. It most definitely doesn't have top graphics. And they could definitely put some more work into models and equipment. Good story? All i have to do is say: Tribunal and any story there was is gone. The tribunal is enough to clear any threat molag bal might be. On January 24 2014 08:45 Holy_AT wrote:
But it will be the best in graphics and even lore and immersion wise.
TESO? Best in lore? pfthahaha, yeah after murdering and butchering the TES lore, i'm sure it will have good lore, oh wait, it doesn't. Instead we get bland races and mary sue leaders for them (Altmer leader). There's a very good reason why TESO is non-canon. Well everyone is entitled to his opinion, but I dont know what MMOs are having better graphics than ESO ?
Maybe mention 3 or five out of the multitude of mmos. And of course they made adaptations to the story, if you don't like adaptations you really must hate prequels, sequels and re-imaginations. They even did changes in the TES series themselves and contradictions... I cant think of any mmo that is more immersive at the current time, spoken texts, well thought out areas quests and reappearing characters. For me, I just like it. I mean taste is in the eye of the beholder but some things like TES having top graphics compared to other mmos is just a fact. You may dislike the art style itself, but you cant dispute the other fact. You are joking. The only thing all recent MMOs have done well on is graphics. It's really easy to get good graphics, you can just throw money at it and the graphics will go up. You can't just throw money at gameplay and expect it to go up. What? ESO has one of the most exciting combat systems to date. It has realtime combat with blocking and attacks from the mouse just like a singleplayer game. Also abilities are just support, the balance is more towards actual player skill than levels and abilities chosen.
No it's not. It's more like Guild Wars 2 than Skyrim. The auto-targeting is just hidden to a greater extent. Please don't make posts stating things that you haven't confirmed yourself.
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On January 25 2014 05:12 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 01:36 Miragee wrote:On January 24 2014 10:40 Disengaged wrote:
Graphics don't mean much if the gameplay isn't there.
Gameplay > graphics, everytime. This! But for the sake of it: A lot of new coming asian MMO's look way better than TESO does. You want three examples? ArcheAge, Black Desert, Bless. when does archeage actually come out in europe. still waiting for that one
There's a closed "family&friends" beta going on atm, so probably not too long until CBT. About 80% translated atm, at least that what is Trion posted.
But don't get your hopes too high. It has mediocre graphics, terrible gameplay and animations. Source: myself.
Russian CBT started a while ago and I tried it. You know those f2p games that doesn't even worth time downloading and installing, let alone playing them? Yep, that's the one of those.
Don't know how devs managed to make it with CE3, but the only good looking thing in game is water (max settings ofc).
Then again, I simply can't play target based mmorpgs anymore after Tera and BnS. So maybe someone who don't mind that and also like some mix of theme park + sandbox mmo. Maaaaybe they would like AA, but I don't think it will be very successful on the west either (it already failed very hard in Korea).
On January 25 2014 01:55 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 10:30 Unleashing wrote:On January 24 2014 10:08 Holy_AT wrote:
Well everyone is entitled to his opinion, but I dont know what MMOs are having better graphics than ESO ?
Maybe mention 3 or five out of the multitude of mmos. Yeah, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Too bad you didn't write as though you were just talking about your opinion, you were writing as though you were just stating facts. Also you said and i quote "it will be the best in graphics" even though an MMO like TERA easily has better graphics, especially since in TERA the armor doesn't look as though it is painted onto the character. On January 24 2014 10:08 Holy_AT wrote:
And of course they made adaptations to the story, if you don't like adaptations you really must hate prequels, sequels and re-imaginations. They even did changes in the TES series themselves and contradictions... Adaptions? It's no longer TES, that's why it's non-canon. They have changed so much they could just as well have created their own universe, it's a poorly done TES paint-job. Again, races lose the things that make them unique, races that hate eachother are suddenly friends just because, the big evil that's threatening everyone could be stopped by the dunmer alone and they would be home for tea as well. Not to mention anytime anything was even a little bit too complicated they ruled it out as a transcription error. The endless jungles of cyrodill? Transcription errors, the amazing cities of summerset isle? Transcription errors. I could go dig up lists of things they have done to butcher the lore, they haven't just made small changes, they have completely ruined big parts of the lore, that's why even bethesda is now taking a stance that this game isn't canon, because it's so fucking dumb. Oh and let's not get started on how none of the factions make any sense. Or how Elder scrolls are now fucking CTF objects, the whole thing the series is meant to be built on, scrolls of unfathomable influence on reality itself, are fucking capture the fucking flag objects. On January 24 2014 10:08 Holy_AT wrote:
For me, I just like it.
I mean taste is in the eye of the beholder but some things like TES having top graphics compared to other mmos is just a fact. You may dislike the art style itself, but you cant dispute the other fact. And you're allowed to like it, but you tried listing all its qualities as though they were facts. And yes i can, it looks incredibly bland to me. The items often fit incredibly awkwardly onto the characters and the clothing looks as though it was painted onto the character. It might come as a shocker, but for an MMO your character is really fucking important, having the characters looking bad is a huge step down. jesus fuck calm down we get you don't like the game, why do you feel obligated to preach this to people who have genuine interest in it ? If I tell you not to watch that movie you are so waiting for will that stop you ? I will still play that game even if I come from the camp of my favorite game being sold to another developer and getting destroyed with a couple of shitty releases - I have Neverwinter Nights in mind.
No one said which game anyone should play. But if the guy keep posting that TESO have top graphics compared to other mmos... You can be sure that other people will not agree and point it out, as well as the other flaws.
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On January 25 2014 01:55 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 10:30 Unleashing wrote:On January 24 2014 10:08 Holy_AT wrote:
Well everyone is entitled to his opinion, but I dont know what MMOs are having better graphics than ESO ?
Maybe mention 3 or five out of the multitude of mmos. Yeah, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Too bad you didn't write as though you were just talking about your opinion, you were writing as though you were just stating facts. Also you said and i quote "it will be the best in graphics" even though an MMO like TERA easily has better graphics, especially since in TERA the armor doesn't look as though it is painted onto the character. On January 24 2014 10:08 Holy_AT wrote:
And of course they made adaptations to the story, if you don't like adaptations you really must hate prequels, sequels and re-imaginations. They even did changes in the TES series themselves and contradictions... Adaptions? It's no longer TES, that's why it's non-canon. They have changed so much they could just as well have created their own universe, it's a poorly done TES paint-job. Again, races lose the things that make them unique, races that hate eachother are suddenly friends just because, the big evil that's threatening everyone could be stopped by the dunmer alone and they would be home for tea as well. Not to mention anytime anything was even a little bit too complicated they ruled it out as a transcription error. The endless jungles of cyrodill? Transcription errors, the amazing cities of summerset isle? Transcription errors. I could go dig up lists of things they have done to butcher the lore, they haven't just made small changes, they have completely ruined big parts of the lore, that's why even bethesda is now taking a stance that this game isn't canon, because it's so fucking dumb. Oh and let's not get started on how none of the factions make any sense. Or how Elder scrolls are now fucking CTF objects, the whole thing the series is meant to be built on, scrolls of unfathomable influence on reality itself, are fucking capture the fucking flag objects. On January 24 2014 10:08 Holy_AT wrote:
For me, I just like it.
I mean taste is in the eye of the beholder but some things like TES having top graphics compared to other mmos is just a fact. You may dislike the art style itself, but you cant dispute the other fact. And you're allowed to like it, but you tried listing all its qualities as though they were facts. And yes i can, it looks incredibly bland to me. The items often fit incredibly awkwardly onto the characters and the clothing looks as though it was painted onto the character. It might come as a shocker, but for an MMO your character is really fucking important, having the characters looking bad is a huge step down. jesus fuck calm down we get you don't like the game, why do you feel obligated to preach this to people who have genuine interest in it ? If I tell you not to watch that movie you are so waiting for will that stop you ? I will still play that game even if I come from the camp of my favorite game being sold to another developer and getting destroyed with a couple of shitty releases - I have Neverwinter Nights in mind.
I am completely calm, buddy.
I don't at all feel obligated, i had the time and saw a post i heavily disagreed with, ontop of him claiming something that's just not true. Why would i not post?
I'm not even telling people that they shouldn't like the game or that they're having a wrong kind of fun.
I'm telling people why i disagree with them and why i'm so heavily disappointed by how they ruined one of my favourite fictional universes.
If someone says that they really enjoy ESO and love playing it, i have no problem what so ever with that, they can enjoy it. Games are about fun right? Nowhere in any of my posts did i say anything else.
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On January 25 2014 05:17 willoc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 00:59 Avean wrote:On January 24 2014 12:47 Sufficiency wrote:On January 24 2014 10:08 Holy_AT wrote:On January 24 2014 09:35 Unleashing wrote:On January 24 2014 08:45 Holy_AT wrote:
It is not mediocre, it is the best MMO that will be available. pfthahahaha, are you actually serious? On January 24 2014 08:45 Holy_AT wrote:
It has top graphics for an mmo, an immersive world and is going to have a good story. It most definitely doesn't have top graphics. And they could definitely put some more work into models and equipment. Good story? All i have to do is say: Tribunal and any story there was is gone. The tribunal is enough to clear any threat molag bal might be. On January 24 2014 08:45 Holy_AT wrote:
But it will be the best in graphics and even lore and immersion wise.
TESO? Best in lore? pfthahaha, yeah after murdering and butchering the TES lore, i'm sure it will have good lore, oh wait, it doesn't. Instead we get bland races and mary sue leaders for them (Altmer leader). There's a very good reason why TESO is non-canon. Well everyone is entitled to his opinion, but I dont know what MMOs are having better graphics than ESO ?
Maybe mention 3 or five out of the multitude of mmos. And of course they made adaptations to the story, if you don't like adaptations you really must hate prequels, sequels and re-imaginations. They even did changes in the TES series themselves and contradictions... I cant think of any mmo that is more immersive at the current time, spoken texts, well thought out areas quests and reappearing characters. For me, I just like it. I mean taste is in the eye of the beholder but some things like TES having top graphics compared to other mmos is just a fact. You may dislike the art style itself, but you cant dispute the other fact. You are joking. The only thing all recent MMOs have done well on is graphics. It's really easy to get good graphics, you can just throw money at it and the graphics will go up. You can't just throw money at gameplay and expect it to go up. What? ESO has one of the most exciting combat systems to date. It has realtime combat with blocking and attacks from the mouse just like a singleplayer game. Also abilities are just support, the balance is more towards actual player skill than levels and abilities chosen. No it's not. It's more like Guild Wars 2 than Skyrim. The auto-targeting is just hidden to a greater extent. Please don't make posts stating things that you haven't confirmed yourself.
Wrong wrong, Guild Wars 2 is just ability based and dont have attacks on your mouse, and the attacks there are more animation driven than movement driven like in ESO. On top of that you have strength attacks that you can time like in Skyrim making dodging more valuable in ESO than in Guild Wars 2 where it basicly is just a gimmick. You cant compare ESO to Guild Wars 2, its way different.
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Anyone competent at dodging in guild wars 2 will outplay anyone who thinks it is a gimmick by about a 100:1 ratio, just sayin'. Im sure its much the same for TESO.
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On January 25 2014 01:19 Nos- wrote:
I find it a little disingenuous to say that TESO has one of the most exciting combat systems when games like TERA and Blade And Soul both exist. The combat in this feel incredibly clunky and slow/unresponsive. Having "real time combat" doesn't automatically make it good, the system itself comes with a multitude of challenges the devs have to overcome. Combat was never a huge selling point of TES games and TESO certainly isn't changing my mind about that.
All MMOs have real time combat, but as for non targeted combat, it usually makes games worse. TERA is obviously far better in the combat department than ESO, but it's still super shallow compared to the combat systems in WoW and Rift, and it's not like it's less repetitive just because you have to aim with your mouse. It's pretty funny how most people hate TES combat, it's definitely one of the aspects of the games most hated upon. Here comes ESO, which is the same combat but far slower and far more unresponsive (a bit similar to fighting the hated flying pieces of shit in Morrowind), and suddenly some people find it "super exciting".
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On January 25 2014 07:53 TJ31 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 05:12 Skilledblob wrote:On January 25 2014 01:36 Miragee wrote:On January 24 2014 10:40 Disengaged wrote:
Graphics don't mean much if the gameplay isn't there.
Gameplay > graphics, everytime. This! But for the sake of it: A lot of new coming asian MMO's look way better than TESO does. You want three examples? ArcheAge, Black Desert, Bless. when does archeage actually come out in europe. still waiting for that one There's a closed "family&friends" beta going on atm, so probably not too long until CBT. About 80% translated atm, at least that what is Trion posted. But don't get your hopes too high. It has mediocre graphics, terrible gameplay and animations. Source: myself. Russian CBT started a while ago and I tried it. You know those f2p games that doesn't even worth time downloading and installing, let alone playing them? Yep, that's the one of those. Don't know how devs managed to make it with CE3, but the only good looking thing in game is water (max settings ofc). Then again, I simply can't play target based mmorpgs anymore after Tera and BnS. So maybe someone who don't mind that and also like some mix of theme park + sandbox mmo. Maaaaybe they would like AA, but I don't think it will be very successful on the west either (it already failed very hard in Korea).
It didn't actual fail that hard in korea but XLGames did a lot of things wrong. But they ruined it now with 1.0 removing every freedom in the game and turning it into a usual asian grinder theme park with very few sandboy elements that don't mean anything anymore...
So yeah, don't get your hopes high. The game already lacked a lot of things but instead of adding them they took away everything that was amazing.
I don't understand the thing about the graphics though. I think it looks simply amazing in all areas. Not that it matters a single bit if the gameplay turns out shit but it looks better than GW2, TESO, Terra etc. Though I have only seen it through videos so the quality of graphics might be not so great? Because the area design is.
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I intend to try this since I am currently in a mood to try a new mmo. I do find it extremely concerned that it is still in closed beta if it is due to be released in about 10 weeks. We have seen time and time again that mmo games that are not extensivly tested and shown off early tend to be very buggy and often unfinished.
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On January 26 2014 01:08 hzflank wrote:
I intend to try this since I am currently in a mood to try a new mmo. I do find it extremely concerned that it is still in closed beta if it is due to be released in about 10 weeks. We have seen time and time again that mmo games that are not extensivly tested and shown off early tend to be very buggy and often unfinished.
Open beta isnt that common for MMO's and especially for sub based onces.
Its the NDA at 10 weeks to launch that I would be worried about. They show a lack of confidence in public opinion.
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On January 25 2014 20:02 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 01:19 Nos- wrote:
I find it a little disingenuous to say that TESO has one of the most exciting combat systems when games like TERA and Blade And Soul both exist. The combat in this feel incredibly clunky and slow/unresponsive. Having "real time combat" doesn't automatically make it good, the system itself comes with a multitude of challenges the devs have to overcome. Combat was never a huge selling point of TES games and TESO certainly isn't changing my mind about that. All MMOs have real time combat, but as for non targeted combat, it usually makes games worse. TERA is obviously far better in the combat department than ESO, but it's still super shallow compared to the combat systems in WoW and Rift, and it's not like it's less repetitive just because you have to aim with your mouse. It's pretty funny how most people hate TES combat, it's definitely one of the aspects of the games most hated upon. Here comes ESO, which is the same combat but far slower and far more unresponsive (a bit similar to fighting the hated flying pieces of shit in Morrowind), and suddenly some people find it "super exciting".
No. Most MMO calculates hit or miss based on different type of statistics. In games like ESO you have to hit the person.
Tera and Blade And Soul have the same option to run and attack but in ESO the gameplay is more realistic. Its much slower and you have strong attacks that you can land, so dodging and blocking is actually useful in this game.
People like different things, but i am more fan of realistic type of approach to combat. ESO is not perfect, in my world i would want 100% realtime kinda like Chivalry in a huge MMO, but ESO makes me excited about the PvP.
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Unless real time suddenly means something different, that is not what real time means.
Real time means real time as opposed to turn based, which all MMOs have. At least that is the only definition of real time combat i have ever heard of. How the MMO calculates stuff is utterly irrelevant for this, as long as all combattants can act at the same time, and timing of things is relevant as opposed to just choosing the right actions you have real time combat.
What you are talking about is how targetting works, which is surely important and interesting, but also has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with real time.
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On January 26 2014 05:50 Avean wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 20:02 Tobberoth wrote:On January 25 2014 01:19 Nos- wrote:
I find it a little disingenuous to say that TESO has one of the most exciting combat systems when games like TERA and Blade And Soul both exist. The combat in this feel incredibly clunky and slow/unresponsive. Having "real time combat" doesn't automatically make it good, the system itself comes with a multitude of challenges the devs have to overcome. Combat was never a huge selling point of TES games and TESO certainly isn't changing my mind about that. All MMOs have real time combat, but as for non targeted combat, it usually makes games worse. TERA is obviously far better in the combat department than ESO, but it's still super shallow compared to the combat systems in WoW and Rift, and it's not like it's less repetitive just because you have to aim with your mouse. It's pretty funny how most people hate TES combat, it's definitely one of the aspects of the games most hated upon. Here comes ESO, which is the same combat but far slower and far more unresponsive (a bit similar to fighting the hated flying pieces of shit in Morrowind), and suddenly some people find it "super exciting". No. Most MMO calculates hit or miss based on different type of statistics. In games like ESO you have to hit the person. Tera and Blade And Soul have the same option to run and attack but in ESO the gameplay is more realistic. Its much slower and you have strong attacks that you can land, so dodging and blocking is actually useful in this game. People like different things, but i am more fan of realistic type of approach to combat. ESO is not perfect, in my world i would want 100% realtime kinda like Chivalry in a huge MMO, but ESO makes me excited about the PvP.
I have only 1 word to say against the combat system you want in ESO.
Lag
Its bad enough in games like WoW where people arnt in melee range even tho they appear to be on your screen and now you wanne add aiming into it?
gl making that work.
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On January 25 2014 19:53 Avean wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 05:17 willoc wrote:On January 25 2014 00:59 Avean wrote:On January 24 2014 12:47 Sufficiency wrote:On January 24 2014 10:08 Holy_AT wrote:On January 24 2014 09:35 Unleashing wrote:On January 24 2014 08:45 Holy_AT wrote:
It is not mediocre, it is the best MMO that will be available. pfthahahaha, are you actually serious? On January 24 2014 08:45 Holy_AT wrote:
It has top graphics for an mmo, an immersive world and is going to have a good story. It most definitely doesn't have top graphics. And they could definitely put some more work into models and equipment. Good story? All i have to do is say: Tribunal and any story there was is gone. The tribunal is enough to clear any threat molag bal might be. On January 24 2014 08:45 Holy_AT wrote:
But it will be the best in graphics and even lore and immersion wise.
TESO? Best in lore? pfthahaha, yeah after murdering and butchering the TES lore, i'm sure it will have good lore, oh wait, it doesn't. Instead we get bland races and mary sue leaders for them (Altmer leader). There's a very good reason why TESO is non-canon. Well everyone is entitled to his opinion, but I dont know what MMOs are having better graphics than ESO ?
Maybe mention 3 or five out of the multitude of mmos. And of course they made adaptations to the story, if you don't like adaptations you really must hate prequels, sequels and re-imaginations. They even did changes in the TES series themselves and contradictions... I cant think of any mmo that is more immersive at the current time, spoken texts, well thought out areas quests and reappearing characters. For me, I just like it. I mean taste is in the eye of the beholder but some things like TES having top graphics compared to other mmos is just a fact. You may dislike the art style itself, but you cant dispute the other fact. You are joking. The only thing all recent MMOs have done well on is graphics. It's really easy to get good graphics, you can just throw money at it and the graphics will go up. You can't just throw money at gameplay and expect it to go up. What? ESO has one of the most exciting combat systems to date. It has realtime combat with blocking and attacks from the mouse just like a singleplayer game. Also abilities are just support, the balance is more towards actual player skill than levels and abilities chosen. No it's not. It's more like Guild Wars 2 than Skyrim. The auto-targeting is just hidden to a greater extent. Please don't make posts stating things that you haven't confirmed yourself. Wrong wrong, Guild Wars 2 is just ability based and dont have attacks on your mouse, and the attacks there are more animation driven than movement driven like in ESO. On top of that you have strength attacks that you can time like in Skyrim making dodging more valuable in ESO than in Guild Wars 2 where it basicly is just a gimmick. You cant compare ESO to Guild Wars 2, its way different.
Good points. I will retract it being like guild wars 2. But it is not like Skyrim either (which I was disappointed to learn - but you gotta deal with mass player lag so what can you do).
I'll talk about ESO combat a bit: There isn't much to aiming. Spells, for example, don't cast unless it acquire an auto-target in a cone around your cursor (so basically you can just keep spamming it until it acquires something and casts). Think console shooters that have auto-targeting for how it acquires targets. You then stay locked onto that target unless the target strays far enough from your 'cursor cone'. So basically, it isn't very aim-intensive. I like the time-based attacks and all but we will see how it works out with lag (not worked out yet btw). I'm still rather interested in the game and will keep taking a look at the pvp but please don't think its an MMOFPS or anything.
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Anyone excited for this game will be HUGELY disappointed.
I tried the last beta test and my god was it awful.
The game feels neither like an Elder Scrolls game, or an MMORPG. It feels more like a tech demo for an engine. It is hollow, lifeless and all around mediocre. Clearly built from the ground up with console in mind, yet even for a console MMO it is utterly bad.
If you want an MMORPG wait for EQ Next / WildStar / Archeage etc.
If you want a first person RPG stick with Skyrim or wait for Kingdom Come: Deliverance.
This game is not fun.
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On January 26 2014 23:07 jexxto wrote:Kingdom Come: Deliverance.
Thanks for the head-up. Looked over the kickstarter campaign and it looks promising. I give it a few days of thought but it seems back-worthy.
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That kingdom deliverance guy says his game is for people who like series like game of thrones yet one of the game's motos is "Dungeons and no Dragons", lol.
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On January 27 2014 03:51 Steveling wrote:
That kingdom deliverance guy says his game is for people who like series like game of thrones yet one of the game's motos is "Dungeons and no Dragons", lol.
he is refering to the politics stuff and so far the dragons were not important in GoT either 
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On January 27 2014 03:51 Steveling wrote:
That kingdom deliverance guy says his game is for people who like series like game of thrones yet one of the game's motos is "Dungeons and no Dragons", lol.
Well to be fair on that point, over 6 books of ASOIAF, dragons themselves barely did anything until the 5th book. It's mostly been Game of Thrones, no dragons so far 
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Off-topic: There are 5 books of ASOIAF released so far, the 6th one being written.
The dragons did do stuff, but obviously not anything worthy of their full potential.
On-topic: I've been carefully reading this thread and paying attention to the progress of ESO, and so far, disappointment seems to be the biggest sentiment out there. I've watched broadcasts on Twitch too, and the game looks pretty bland. I doubt I'll be touching it.
Most likely, ESO will have a decent start and will run out of steam quickly, leading to a F2P switch after the first year. That's how I'm calling it anyway.
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Ah you're right, the 3rd one I got there was split in 2 parts for some reason.
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