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Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
June 12 2013 06:13 GMT
#221
Don't really think graphics are that much of an issue. When has a TES game looked particularly good? It'll come down to if they can actually make the game good without depending on the community to make a million great mods for it.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4751 Posts
June 12 2013 07:24 GMT
#222
On May 29 2013 05:59 eviltomahawk wrote:
Oh, interesting that they managed to get the first-person combat animations finished. The first-person combat that was shown in the leaked video a month back wasn't very impressive at all, but probably because it was obvious that there were a lot of placeholders involved.

Tbh, I'm not sure if Skyrim's first-person combat is a good thing to emulate. Even though I found the combat is better than that of Morrowind or Oblivion, there are some better implementations of first-person melee combat in other games outside of the Elder Scrolls franchise.

And I'm also worried about how the art direction in certain regions of ESO may affect those of future real Elder Scrolls games. On one hand, they could always retcon whatever was made in ESO, but on the other hand, the discrepancy will always be bothersome, especially since there are some lore enthusiasts who are unhappy that Bethesda retconned Cyrodil from being a jungle that was described in some early lore books to being a standard European fantasy forest setting in Oblivion.


Yeah, i recall that. When i was preperaing to play Oblivion i was sure it would by jungle, or at lest mediterrain. I was quite surprised by generic European landscape. I dont like backtracing on once introduced lore/outlock. So i am kinda worried about ESO. For example it always make me sad when i read WFB army books and their stories change between editions.
Pathetic Greta hater.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
June 12 2013 07:32 GMT
#223
On June 12 2013 15:13 Infernal_dream wrote:
Don't really think graphics are that much of an issue. When has a TES game looked particularly good? It'll come down to if they can actually make the game good without depending on the community to make a million great mods for it.

I remember oblivion being hell on computer systems when it came out, and it looked pretty good to me. Not that I disagree though, graphics really doesn't mean much past a certain point.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
June 19 2013 15:34 GMT
#224
It seems PC/XB1/PS4 gonna have separate servers... that's just lame.

Why can't companies figure out what FFXI figured out 10 years ago?
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
June 19 2013 16:00 GMT
#225
On June 20 2013 00:34 ragz_gt wrote:
It seems PC/XB1/PS4 gonna have separate servers... that's just lame.

Why can't companies figure out what FFXI figured out 10 years ago?


did u play FFXI?

when playstation users were admitted on to the same servers it ruined a lot of the game for a lot of the people who played before.

You were stuck in groups 99% of the time with people who didnt even have a keyboard setup, and in a game where grouping and communicating actually mattered... PS players were a nightmare with their 2 words per minute typing...

I like that they do this, especially since we dont even know how TES will be controlled yet... like in a FPS if you mixed PC users with console users.. it would be a laughable experience for the PC users, you have infinitely more aim control with a mouse than with a console controller.

idk im excited to actually try/play this game... havent enjoyed a MMO since TBC, but i really love playing MMO's
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
June 19 2013 16:02 GMT
#226
On June 12 2013 15:13 Infernal_dream wrote:
Don't really think graphics are that much of an issue. When has a TES game looked particularly good? It'll come down to if they can actually make the game good without depending on the community to make a million great mods for it.


? IV and V looked fucking great. III looked like it was made in the 80's, but hey, it's still one of the best RPG's of all time.
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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
June 19 2013 18:03 GMT
#227
On June 20 2013 01:00 MaestroSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 00:34 ragz_gt wrote:
It seems PC/XB1/PS4 gonna have separate servers... that's just lame.

Why can't companies figure out what FFXI figured out 10 years ago?


did u play FFXI?

when playstation users were admitted on to the same servers it ruined a lot of the game for a lot of the people who played before.

You were stuck in groups 99% of the time with people who didnt even have a keyboard setup, and in a game where grouping and communicating actually mattered... PS players were a nightmare with their 2 words per minute typing...

I like that they do this, especially since we dont even know how TES will be controlled yet... like in a FPS if you mixed PC users with console users.. it would be a laughable experience for the PC users, you have infinitely more aim control with a mouse than with a console controller.

idk im excited to actually try/play this game... havent enjoyed a MMO since TBC, but i really love playing MMO's


Did you play FFXI? How could you possibly stuck with people who can't type, when it require a ton of communication just to get a group? Or were you one of those people who just blindly invite everyone who seeking party?
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 18:19:18
June 19 2013 18:15 GMT
#228
On June 20 2013 01:02 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 15:13 Infernal_dream wrote:
Don't really think graphics are that much of an issue. When has a TES game looked particularly good? It'll come down to if they can actually make the game good without depending on the community to make a million great mods for it.


? IV and V looked fucking great. III looked like it was made in the 80's, but hey, it's still one of the best RPG's of all time.


Morrowind had breathtaking visuals on release, it was one of its major selling points and a big part of what made it into one of the most successful RPG titles.

The only comparable game on the market around that time was Neverwinter Nights (which looked quite a bit worse, and felt a lot clunkier and limited), and Gothic 2 (which looked pretty good, maybe slightly better, but it also came out a year or two later iirc).

Every TES game since Daggerfall has looked really good on release and scored a LOT of review points on visuals and technology alone, even though they all had questionable (to say the least) game design.

Other than that, I agree with what the guy said. The modding community bailed out the last 3 TES titles and refined the content and mechanics up to what should have been the standard out of the box.
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
June 19 2013 23:09 GMT
#229
On June 20 2013 03:03 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 01:00 MaestroSC wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:34 ragz_gt wrote:
It seems PC/XB1/PS4 gonna have separate servers... that's just lame.

Why can't companies figure out what FFXI figured out 10 years ago?


did u play FFXI?

when playstation users were admitted on to the same servers it ruined a lot of the game for a lot of the people who played before.

You were stuck in groups 99% of the time with people who didnt even have a keyboard setup, and in a game where grouping and communicating actually mattered... PS players were a nightmare with their 2 words per minute typing...

I like that they do this, especially since we dont even know how TES will be controlled yet... like in a FPS if you mixed PC users with console users.. it would be a laughable experience for the PC users, you have infinitely more aim control with a mouse than with a console controller.

idk im excited to actually try/play this game... havent enjoyed a MMO since TBC, but i really love playing MMO's


Did you play FFXI? How could you possibly stuck with people who can't type, when it require a ton of communication just to get a group? Or were you one of those people who just blindly invite everyone who seeking party?



cause u could type out one macro and save it to Look for Group, but it was after you invited them to group that u figured out they were PS users, then u would have to drop them and search again.

When the game released on PS it was like this for everybody.. getting stuck in groups with PS users was a nightmare.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 19 2013 23:28 GMT
#230
On June 20 2013 03:15 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 01:02 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On June 12 2013 15:13 Infernal_dream wrote:
Don't really think graphics are that much of an issue. When has a TES game looked particularly good? It'll come down to if they can actually make the game good without depending on the community to make a million great mods for it.


? IV and V looked fucking great. III looked like it was made in the 80's, but hey, it's still one of the best RPG's of all time.


Morrowind had breathtaking visuals on release, it was one of its major selling points and a big part of what made it into one of the most successful RPG titles.

The only comparable game on the market around that time was Neverwinter Nights (which looked quite a bit worse, and felt a lot clunkier and limited), and Gothic 2 (which looked pretty good, maybe slightly better, but it also came out a year or two later iirc).

Every TES game since Daggerfall has looked really good on release and scored a LOT of review points on visuals and technology alone, even though they all had questionable (to say the least) game design.

Other than that, I agree with what the guy said. The modding community bailed out the last 3 TES titles and refined the content and mechanics up to what should have been the standard out of the box.


Hm I enjoyed oblivion/skyrim without using mods. I played the games and never used mods and found it a ton of fun. I didn't like morrowind though due to the shitty combat.

I will be honest for this MMO I thought it was going to be a typical MMO, but from what I have seen it actually looks like it will be good. I like how they are using elder scrolls combat, aka oblivion/skyrim with first person. I think that is awesome, you can manually block, dodge, etc. Of course haven't seen a ton of footage, but this gave me a little bit of hope for this game.

I wish at E3 they actually showcased their demo rather then just talking with a tiny bit of new footage though :/.
When I think of something else, something will go here
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 00:19:27
June 20 2013 00:18 GMT
#231
what are you talking about, morrowind and oblivion looked really good on release.

I specifically remember that i could not BELIEVE morrowind was a real game. It had those amazing graphics and you could do whatever the hell you wanted in a really big world! And then it had all those skills and weapons and you could use everything and it got stronger by using it.


Skyrim looked a bit dated on release thanks to the console generation being on its last breath i guess, but they released HD textures.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 01:30:05
June 20 2013 01:20 GMT
#232
On June 20 2013 08:09 MaestroSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 03:03 ragz_gt wrote:
On June 20 2013 01:00 MaestroSC wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:34 ragz_gt wrote:
It seems PC/XB1/PS4 gonna have separate servers... that's just lame.

Why can't companies figure out what FFXI figured out 10 years ago?


did u play FFXI?

when playstation users were admitted on to the same servers it ruined a lot of the game for a lot of the people who played before.

You were stuck in groups 99% of the time with people who didnt even have a keyboard setup, and in a game where grouping and communicating actually mattered... PS players were a nightmare with their 2 words per minute typing...

I like that they do this, especially since we dont even know how TES will be controlled yet... like in a FPS if you mixed PC users with console users.. it would be a laughable experience for the PC users, you have infinitely more aim control with a mouse than with a console controller.

idk im excited to actually try/play this game... havent enjoyed a MMO since TBC, but i really love playing MMO's


Did you play FFXI? How could you possibly stuck with people who can't type, when it require a ton of communication just to get a group? Or were you one of those people who just blindly invite everyone who seeking party?



cause u could type out one macro and save it to Look for Group, but it was after you invited them to group that u figured out they were PS users, then u would have to drop them and search again.

When the game released on PS it was like this for everybody.. getting stuck in groups with PS users was a nightmare.


I've played from PC NA release and never had any problem. I always had a conversation with whoever I want to party, what sub, skill, location etc if not partying with people I know. I played with plenty of people on PS2 but all of them had a keyboard.

And that was 10 years ago. I don't see how that stops people from playing cross platform now.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
June 20 2013 02:21 GMT
#233
On June 20 2013 10:20 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 08:09 MaestroSC wrote:
On June 20 2013 03:03 ragz_gt wrote:
On June 20 2013 01:00 MaestroSC wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:34 ragz_gt wrote:
It seems PC/XB1/PS4 gonna have separate servers... that's just lame.

Why can't companies figure out what FFXI figured out 10 years ago?


did u play FFXI?

when playstation users were admitted on to the same servers it ruined a lot of the game for a lot of the people who played before.

You were stuck in groups 99% of the time with people who didnt even have a keyboard setup, and in a game where grouping and communicating actually mattered... PS players were a nightmare with their 2 words per minute typing...

I like that they do this, especially since we dont even know how TES will be controlled yet... like in a FPS if you mixed PC users with console users.. it would be a laughable experience for the PC users, you have infinitely more aim control with a mouse than with a console controller.

idk im excited to actually try/play this game... havent enjoyed a MMO since TBC, but i really love playing MMO's


Did you play FFXI? How could you possibly stuck with people who can't type, when it require a ton of communication just to get a group? Or were you one of those people who just blindly invite everyone who seeking party?



cause u could type out one macro and save it to Look for Group, but it was after you invited them to group that u figured out they were PS users, then u would have to drop them and search again.

When the game released on PS it was like this for everybody.. getting stuck in groups with PS users was a nightmare.


I've played from PC NA release and never had any problem. I always had a conversation with whoever I want to party, what sub, skill, location etc if not partying with people I know. I played with plenty of people on PS2 but all of them had a keyboard.

And that was 10 years ago. I don't see how that stops people from playing cross platform now.



well i still dont have a keyboard for either of my consoles.

and also when i played FFXI it was... 6+ years ago lol.

but also ill point back to my point about aiming/control mouse vs controller
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
June 20 2013 11:25 GMT
#234
On June 20 2013 11:21 MaestroSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 10:20 ragz_gt wrote:
On June 20 2013 08:09 MaestroSC wrote:
On June 20 2013 03:03 ragz_gt wrote:
On June 20 2013 01:00 MaestroSC wrote:
On June 20 2013 00:34 ragz_gt wrote:
It seems PC/XB1/PS4 gonna have separate servers... that's just lame.

Why can't companies figure out what FFXI figured out 10 years ago?


did u play FFXI?

when playstation users were admitted on to the same servers it ruined a lot of the game for a lot of the people who played before.

You were stuck in groups 99% of the time with people who didnt even have a keyboard setup, and in a game where grouping and communicating actually mattered... PS players were a nightmare with their 2 words per minute typing...

I like that they do this, especially since we dont even know how TES will be controlled yet... like in a FPS if you mixed PC users with console users.. it would be a laughable experience for the PC users, you have infinitely more aim control with a mouse than with a console controller.

idk im excited to actually try/play this game... havent enjoyed a MMO since TBC, but i really love playing MMO's


Did you play FFXI? How could you possibly stuck with people who can't type, when it require a ton of communication just to get a group? Or were you one of those people who just blindly invite everyone who seeking party?



cause u could type out one macro and save it to Look for Group, but it was after you invited them to group that u figured out they were PS users, then u would have to drop them and search again.

When the game released on PS it was like this for everybody.. getting stuck in groups with PS users was a nightmare.


I've played from PC NA release and never had any problem. I always had a conversation with whoever I want to party, what sub, skill, location etc if not partying with people I know. I played with plenty of people on PS2 but all of them had a keyboard.

And that was 10 years ago. I don't see how that stops people from playing cross platform now.



well i still dont have a keyboard for either of my consoles.

and also when i played FFXI it was... 6+ years ago lol.

but also ill point back to my point about aiming/control mouse vs controller


Except that a good % of PC players will be using controllers.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4751 Posts
June 20 2013 11:38 GMT
#235
Why would i use inferior controller?
Pathetic Greta hater.
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
June 20 2013 11:48 GMT
#236
Hmm, I'm not excited at all. I don't think I'm even going to try this. It seems a bit bland.
MyNameIsAlex
Profile Joined March 2011
Greece827 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 12:10:42
June 20 2013 12:09 GMT
#237
On June 20 2013 01:02 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 15:13 Infernal_dream wrote:
Don't really think graphics are that much of an issue. When has a TES game looked particularly good? It'll come down to if they can actually make the game good without depending on the community to make a million great mods for it.


? IV and V looked fucking great. III looked like it was made in the 80's, but hey, it's still one of the best RPG's of all time.


excuse me what? When Morrowind got released it had super graphics for the time, let alone the huge for the standards back then open world. Go back and look the old reviews. IV and V were very good too.
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
June 20 2013 12:22 GMT
#238
I for one don't have time to play all these mediocre MMO's that are 10 years behind the times. They should have just implemented multiplayer in Skyrim even if as a DLC, but hey I guess they couldn't charge monthly fees from that...
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
June 20 2013 12:39 GMT
#239
On June 20 2013 21:22 Vaelone wrote:
I for one don't have time to play all these mediocre MMO's that are 10 years behind the times. They should have just implemented multiplayer in Skyrim even if as a DLC, but hey I guess they couldn't charge monthly fees from that...



Funny that you say that, with WoW still n°1 :D
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Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
June 20 2013 12:41 GMT
#240
My real interest in this game is leveling up TES style. No pre determined class, just leveling skills. So sick of MMO's and the character creation... No one has had the balls to try something else.
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
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