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nbaker
United States1342 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On June 27 2013 04:00 nbaker wrote: Are you wearing grass crest on your back? I personally think it's worth it, but I guess you could save the weight and put it into armor? At the moment, I don't even have any shield equipped, I haven't gone down to fetch the grass crest one yet (though yeah, I plan to wear it on my back). | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On June 27 2013 03:58 Tobberoth wrote: Must say, so far my no shield no lock playthrough is going great. I find most of the bosses far easier now (indeed, just running around in front of quelaag and waiting for her lava spit was very effective). I'm playing as a thief and I'm not capping my leveling at all, so I already have 40 dex (I've put more or less nothing in vitality and endurance, seems it doesn't actually matter much, you still won't get oneshotted by attacks which aren't very easy to dodge anyway). With my +7 Iaito, that's quite a lot of damage indeed. This is the part where it gets hard though, without the shield I find it hard to cross the bridges in sens fortress with the lightning snakes throwing shit at me. I'm considering maybe allowing myself to use a shield just to get past them, but I'll try a few times before I resort to that. Any advice on what armor to go for? Now that I have 40 dex, I can let myself put some in endurance and I already have the ring of favor. The thief set is cool enough, but I want to decide on what armor to stick with before I start upgrading. You can always just block with the weapon itself (2h). You'll take a lot more damage but it shouldn't stagger you as badly as getting hit directly so you can get across smoothly. Right? Or by "no shield" do you mean no blocking either haha. I'm personally a huge fan of pieces of the Crimson gear on pretty much any character. It's a really solid set with great physical resists and pretty good magic/status resists as well. If you want to stay light, it's nice. One of those few things in DkS I've always found surprisingly overtuned for how well "balanced" the rest of the game is (i.e. in so many cases there's no "best X", best weapon, best sword, best etc etc etc.). It's usually head and shoulders above anything else one's wearing as they naturally progress through the game and find it in Blighttown. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On June 26 2013 16:04 Tobberoth wrote: How much do you guys use lock-on? Since I started playing the game on 360 (currently playing on PC), I've always used lock-on religiously... as in every single fight in the game, always. I heard some people say that the key to playing better (at least in PvP) was to learn when to use lock-on and when to not use it... but I always used it. I started a new character yesterday to try a shield-less playthrough to get better at dodging, and decided to make it lock-less as well (just to see if I could do it, and also because it discourages use of the shield), and it turns out you actually get used to it quite quickly, and in some situations it's actually superior. I'm starting to wonder if maybe I should have used lock-on far less from the start. For a backstab build ( I use Ciaran dagger with the x1.5 multiplier ) not locking on help a lot to get quick backstab. That's also one of the main reason people like to not lock on in PvP | ||
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Cynry
810 Posts
As for sens fortress shieldless, I guess the most annoying thunder lizard is the last one. If I recall correctly, I waited for an attack to hit the wall before going in, then get close to the blades, but with enough space to roll to them without falling, use that to roll through a second attack, and then sprint through the blades. Not sure though, it's been a while, but that was the idea. Don't listen to the guy 2 posts above and never ever block with your weapon. Come on ! :-D | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On June 27 2013 04:22 Cynry wrote: Playing lock less has another advantage for PvP. You can start the attack animation one way and give the blow another one. It's easy to get used to and quite powerfull with long range/large swings weapons. Also works with the roll attack. As for sens fortress shieldless, I guess the most annoying thunder lizard is the last one. If I recall correctly, I waited for an attack to hit the wall before going in, then get close to the blades, but with enough space to roll to them without falling, use that to roll through a second attack, and then sprint through the blades. Not sure though, it's been a while, but that was the idea. Don't listen to the guy 2 posts above and never ever block with your weapon. Come on ! :-D Trust me, every time I accidentally block with my weapon (or have to), I cry a little bit too. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12088 Posts
On June 27 2013 03:58 Tobberoth wrote: Must say, so far my no shield no lock playthrough is going great. I find most of the bosses far easier now (indeed, just running around in front of quelaag and waiting for her lava spit was very effective). I'm playing as a thief and I'm not capping my leveling at all, so I already have 40 dex (I've put more or less nothing in vitality and endurance, seems it doesn't actually matter much, you still won't get oneshotted by attacks which aren't very easy to dodge anyway). With my +7 Iaito, that's quite a lot of damage indeed. This is the part where it gets hard though, without the shield I find it hard to cross the bridges in sens fortress with the lightning snakes throwing shit at me. I'm considering maybe allowing myself to use a shield just to get past them, but I'll try a few times before I resort to that. Any advice on what armor to go for? Now that I have 40 dex, I can let myself put some in endurance and I already have the ring of favor. The thief set is cool enough, but I want to decide on what armor to stick with before I start upgrading. They should not really be problematic. You can usually dodge the lightning thingy with a forward roll at the correct time. Also, even that is not really necessary. The first one you can reach with good timing by letting its hit go into the giant blade things. The ones on the top of the stairs (stone one and the one close to the end) don't even hit you if you just run directly at them. The last one is even easier, you can just ignore it completely. Just walk forward, don't get distracted, wait for half a second for the blades, and you are through without a problem. A shield is not really pivotal for any of those. Regarding your armor, just take the heaviest armor to just stay below your threshhold which i assume is 25%. I'd honestly just stay with whatever you are currently wearing and max life first, if you are not blocking you don't need that much stamina anyways. Early armor upgrades are pretty much free anyways, and your priority for both chunks and large shards before you can buy them should be on your weapon anyways. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
Probably going to look through the statistics and see which light armor part is best for each spot, but safe to say, the crimson set in general seems very solid. Dreading Smough and Ornstein... but at least I should have no problem damagewise. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12088 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On June 27 2013 05:21 Simberto wrote: The problem with crimson is that it is twinkling, not normal. Which both means that it is harder to upgrade, and has less upgrades in total. That's true, but it seems like the fully upgraded set outperforms pretty much every other "light" fully upgraded light armor in the game (It looks like gwyns set is slightly better, but also much heavier). | ||
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Cynry
810 Posts
Although with your choice of weapon and build order, the latter could go quite well.. | ||
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dashiz
Costa Rica193 Posts
I have tried both and feel more in control of my actions and presicion using my mouse | ||
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Simberto
Germany12088 Posts
On June 27 2013 05:33 Cynry wrote: I cannot wait for your report on the 2 archers and the comical duet ^^ Although with your choice of weapon and build order, the latter could go quite well.. I hate those two archers so much. Even with a shield. The most annoying part of the game, and one of the few places where i don't feel like i have done something stupid when dying. I think in each of my last few playthroughs i have died more often to those guys then to any boss in the game. I guess i am very slowly learning how to deal with them, but it is still pretty annoying. O&S are a lot less hard then they are made out to be once you understand how they work. I guess without a shield the whole thing could be a bit more annoying, though. | ||
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Cynry
810 Posts
On June 27 2013 06:05 Simberto wrote: I hate those two archers so much. Even with a shield. The most annoying part of the game, and one of the few places where i don't feel like i have done something stupid when dying. I think in each of my last few playthroughs i have died more often to those guys then to any boss in the game. I guess i am very slowly learning how to deal with them, but it is still pretty annoying. O&S are a lot less hard then they are made out to be once you understand how they work. I guess without a shield the whole thing could be a bit more annoying, though. O&S are alright without a shield if, as you said, you know how to take them. I think the main issue I had with my shieldless melee was using a greatsword. I think Todderoth went for a katana, so roll and quick attacks should do the trick quite well, but having to wave slowly while avoiding hits was a pain in the butt... Agreed on the archers. Those bastards... I remember clearly once trying to make the guy fall by just blocking him, and all he did was shooting arrows straight at my face. Gah... @dashiz: I think you are a minority indeed. Had my first playthrough on xbox and I never could get used to those controls when I switched to PC. Is there a fix for the clunkyness of mouse for looking around or you got used to it ? | ||
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
On June 27 2013 06:05 Simberto wrote: I hate those two archers so much. Even with a shield. The most annoying part of the game, and one of the few places where i don't feel like i have done something stupid when dying. I think in each of my last few playthroughs i have died more often to those guys then to any boss in the game. I guess i am very slowly learning how to deal with them, but it is still pretty annoying. O&S are a lot less hard then they are made out to be once you understand how they work. I guess without a shield the whole thing could be a bit more annoying, though. With ninja flip ring just dodging every attack in O&S is easier than trying to fight them with a shield imo. And yeah the archers suck so hard, the worst part is when you reach the ledge and you have to turn to one of them ;___; *about PC controls, the best for me is a ps3 controller. Just because you can sit back and relax with it ( can't do this with clunky keyboards). Control wise though, using solely keyboard there's next to no difference between controller/keyboard imo. Played 100 hours with keyboard only and it works perfectly. | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
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Simberto
Germany12088 Posts
I do enough damage to stagger him when he does the explosion, but that is about the only positive thing here for me so far. Though i guess the rest of the additional bosses won't be easier, come to think of it. I am half tempted to just go and kill Gwyn. | ||
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
On June 27 2013 11:50 Simberto wrote: Knight Artorios is pretty hard in a SL 1 run. Any tips here? He just takes such a small amount of damage from everything i can do due to elemental resistances. I guess i just have to not make any mistakes for a pretty long period of time, but it is hard. So many different attacks, and you just have to be so very careful all the time, and then you barely get a hit in for 50 damage... I do enough damage to stagger him when he does the explosion, but that is about the only positive thing here for me so far. Though i guess the rest of the additional bosses won't be easier, come to think of it. I am half tempted to just go and kill Gwyn. Every attack of his can be dodged ( well except for the explosion), so once you get the timing down this becomes one of the easier fights in the game. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On June 27 2013 07:52 Duka08 wrote: Once you figure out the archers it's not bad. Rush up the ramps and turn right to face the one on the right side. Run to the little 45ish degree corner at your 11:00 and roll under an arrow if the nearest archer fires. Once you get close enough to this corner / the right-hand archer, the left archer can't hit you any more. Then you just need to lure the close archer toward you, and most of the time he'll slip and fall on the corner. Either way, the hard part (both archers) is negated once you're close to where the right-side archer stands, because the left one can't hit you any more. Yeah, I've personally "oneshotted" the archers every time since my first run (where I got shot down). My tactic is to more or less sprint the whole beam (from midpoint) to the right archer. I feel like maybe I'm just lucky each time since the left archer has never even touched me. It will definitely be harder without a shield though since my tactic has always been to stand in the 45 degree corner and block until the knight falls down. | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
Or you could just poison him with poison arrows  . | ||
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