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Norway25712 Posts
On March 15 2012 15:25 Jinsho wrote:
This will be the better Fallout game.
It's not a FAllout game.
And the goal has been reached! Huzzah! Now we play the waiting game for abit more than a year. October 2013 it says on Kickstarter. CHipped in 115 to include shipping and the 100 dollar reward.
We're working on the official wiki, which doesn't have as much information as we'd like, but new skin and a huge clean-up is coming.
I don't work for InXile or anything like that, if I made it sound like that, I'm just admining the official wiki.
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So it's not a fallout game, cool. What is it? I've never played wasteland, never even heard of it before and I'm not going to pay for a future game just because it's in a post apocalyptic setting. Info please, what game is it similar to.
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On March 15 2012 19:36 Tobberoth wrote:
So it's not a fallout game, cool. What is it? I've never played wasteland, never even heard of it before and I'm not going to pay for a future game just because it's in a post apocalyptic setting. Info please, what game is it similar to.
Turn based combat rpg that inspired the fallout series.
Fallout 1 was supposed to be wasteland 2.
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funding is complete. after just two days they raised over $900000. If people were to keep up that funding rate they'd end up with a funding of about 15 million usd after the remaining 33 days x) that's of course not going to happen, but still, i'm interested how high this will continue to climb and how the creators are going to handle this amount of resources.
Sure, they said everything more will make the game bigger, but with the current situation, until they are funded, they'll have to spend years over years in development to convert all that money into game content Oo I guess it depends on how willing they are to hire additional people to keep the development time short enough, that maybe don't quite have the same idea of game development than they have. Interested to see how it'll turn out.
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On March 15 2012 19:41 Capped wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 19:36 Tobberoth wrote:
So it's not a fallout game, cool. What is it? I've never played wasteland, never even heard of it before and I'm not going to pay for a future game just because it's in a post apocalyptic setting. Info please, what game is it similar to. Turn based combat rpg that inspired the fallout series. Fallout 1 was supposed to be wasteland 2.
So... it's like fallout.
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I just watched that video in the OP and I gotta ask:
Doesn't Brain Fargo somewhat strongly resemble Kevin Spacey? Face form and voice are pretty similar, right?
Edit:
Also that video suddenly made me very interested in the game. May support this project, too.
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On March 15 2012 19:43 MisterD wrote:
funding is complete. after just two days they raised over $900000. If people were to keep up that funding rate they'd end up with a funding of about 15 million usd after the remaining 33 days x) that's of course not going to happen, but still, i'm interested how high this will continue to climb and how the creators are going to handle this amount of resources.
Sure, they said everything more will make the game bigger, but with the current situation, until they are funded, they'll have to spend years over years in development to convert all that money into game content Oo I guess it depends on how willing they are to hire additional people to keep the development time short enough, that maybe don't quite have the same idea of game development than they have. Interested to see how it'll turn out.
No it doesn't take longer. You just add voice acting and hire more developers and people to oversee them. You also get some more different computer for more quality testing and more QA people for less bugs on release.
They can also hire more forum admins to better monitor and compile people wishes for new game.
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On March 15 2012 20:20 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 19:43 MisterD wrote:
funding is complete. after just two days they raised over $900000. If people were to keep up that funding rate they'd end up with a funding of about 15 million usd after the remaining 33 days x) that's of course not going to happen, but still, i'm interested how high this will continue to climb and how the creators are going to handle this amount of resources.
Sure, they said everything more will make the game bigger, but with the current situation, until they are funded, they'll have to spend years over years in development to convert all that money into game content Oo I guess it depends on how willing they are to hire additional people to keep the development time short enough, that maybe don't quite have the same idea of game development than they have. Interested to see how it'll turn out. No it doesn't take longer. You just add voice acting and hire more developers and people to oversee them. You also get some more different computer for more quality testing and more QA people for less bugs on release. They can also hire more forum admins to better monitor and compile people wishes for new game.
but see, you can't just hire a ton of people for a project like this. Their single most important goal is to make a successor that makes the people happy because it is as cool as the old style games. If you just hire tons of people, development can easily get out of hand. You can't hire people of whom you don't know how they are for that. If you just hire some random developers, you might end up with new style features that your funders don't like and then you'll get tons of hate. Worst case, you hire enough devs so that the original devs can't develop anymore at all but just run around and brief the others, and suddenly the game is developed by all the wrong people. That *can* become a serious problem.
and if you don't find proper people to hire, and don't want to accidentally hire the wrong people, you'll have to stick to your developing on your own. Which means a) you sunk time into looking for people and b) you still need even longer because you promised to make more content but don't get more people. Maybe they could go a space pirates and zombies or witcher2 path and just release an initial version and a free of charge upgrade later down the line.
Anyhow, that's why i find this situation interesting. Seeing how the "old school pros" will handle this.  Expectations definitely are high.
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On March 15 2012 19:36 Tobberoth wrote:
So it's not a fallout game, cool. What is it? I've never played wasteland, never even heard of it before and I'm not going to pay for a future game just because it's in a post apocalyptic setting. Info please, what game is it similar to.
On March 15 2012 19:55 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 19:41 Capped wrote:On March 15 2012 19:36 Tobberoth wrote:
So it's not a fallout game, cool. What is it? I've never played wasteland, never even heard of it before and I'm not going to pay for a future game just because it's in a post apocalyptic setting. Info please, what game is it similar to. Turn based combat rpg that inspired the fallout series. Fallout 1 was supposed to be wasteland 2. So... it's like fallout.
Is there a single topic where you won't argue semantics? Annoying.
Here, do some reading. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasteland_(video_game)
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On March 15 2012 20:28 MisterD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 20:20 -Archangel- wrote:On March 15 2012 19:43 MisterD wrote:
funding is complete. after just two days they raised over $900000. If people were to keep up that funding rate they'd end up with a funding of about 15 million usd after the remaining 33 days x) that's of course not going to happen, but still, i'm interested how high this will continue to climb and how the creators are going to handle this amount of resources.
Sure, they said everything more will make the game bigger, but with the current situation, until they are funded, they'll have to spend years over years in development to convert all that money into game content Oo I guess it depends on how willing they are to hire additional people to keep the development time short enough, that maybe don't quite have the same idea of game development than they have. Interested to see how it'll turn out. No it doesn't take longer. You just add voice acting and hire more developers and people to oversee them. You also get some more different computer for more quality testing and more QA people for less bugs on release. They can also hire more forum admins to better monitor and compile people wishes for new game. but see, you can't just hire a ton of people for a project like this. Their single most important goal is to make a successor that makes the people happy because it is as cool as the old style games. If you just hire tons of people, development can easily get out of hand. You can't hire people of whom you don't know how they are for that. If you just hire some random developers, you might end up with new style features that your funders don't like and then you'll get tons of hate. Worst case, you hire enough devs so that the original devs can't develop anymore at all but just run around and brief the others, and suddenly the game is developed by all the wrong people. That *can* become a serious problem. and if you don't find proper people to hire, and don't want to accidentally hire the wrong people, you'll have to stick to your developing on your own. Which means a) you sunk time into looking for people and b) you still need even longer because you promised to make more content but don't get more people. Maybe they could go a space pirates and zombies or witcher2 path and just release an initial version and a free of charge upgrade later down the line. Anyhow, that's why i find this situation interesting. Seeing how the "old school pros" will handle this. Expectations definitely are high.
You have no idea how development works, do you?
Developers don't do what they want, they do what their managers want. It is no different then Bioware except here Fargo tells them to develop turn based open world gray decisions with consequences RPG and not a crappy FPS with decisions that mean nothing in the end. Fargo and his team define what they want and need and then developers do it. Only say developers have in this is agreeing on how long it takes and if those developers know how to do that or need additional education.
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This is great. I miss turn-based great-story oriented RPGs. I can't stand the RPG's made now-a-days for the most part.
Ya-ya, Breath of Fire / early FF's / Legend of Dragoon / Suidoken / etc. etc. They surely don't make em like they used to, that's for sure.
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On March 15 2012 20:35 Shockk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 19:36 Tobberoth wrote:
So it's not a fallout game, cool. What is it? I've never played wasteland, never even heard of it before and I'm not going to pay for a future game just because it's in a post apocalyptic setting. Info please, what game is it similar to. Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 19:55 Tobberoth wrote:On March 15 2012 19:41 Capped wrote:On March 15 2012 19:36 Tobberoth wrote:
So it's not a fallout game, cool. What is it? I've never played wasteland, never even heard of it before and I'm not going to pay for a future game just because it's in a post apocalyptic setting. Info please, what game is it similar to. Turn based combat rpg that inspired the fallout series. Fallout 1 was supposed to be wasteland 2. So... it's like fallout. Is there a single topic where you won't argue semantics? Annoying. Here, do some reading. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasteland_(video_game)
I've already read that, it doesn't tell me anything. What people who haven't played wasteland want to know is how similar we can expect wasteland 2 to be a new old fallout game. When people say "it's not a fallout game", that makes it seem like it will be different, so it would make sense to want to know how different, pledging money now is paying for something we know nothing about.
What a lot of people really want is a true fallout 3, wasteland 2 might be as close as well get... or it might not be, since I've never played wasteland I have no idea. Wasteland was an RPG in a post-apocalyptic world. Cool... was it isometric? Was the fighting system similar to Fallout 1?
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I'm so excited that Wasteland 2 is coming.
Let's try to summarize why is this game 95% going to be AWESOME.
1. Brian Fargo -cmon, the man is a Legend, he made SO much really cool games and he seems to really put a soul into wasteland 2, besides that he said that he have couple of notebooks filled with concepts for the game.
2. It's an old school top-down squad-based RPG. I think last of this games I've played was Jagged Alliance. There is just no modern games like that, but they are very enjoyable.
3. Fan-funding. IMO - the best part, this means that there will be little to none tweaks to make game more casual. It will be developed and released as-is. (no birds as weapons ftw)
4. Post-Nuke. Damn, i love post-nukes. Fallout NV and Borderlands is what we have right now (if you know any other tell me, i'll love to play). But actually RPG (and i don't mean just adding character points or perks to the game, i mean ROLE PLAY) is what makes post-nuke so great, the atmosphere, the characters a different life in different world.
5. Great team. So many names we know, so good reputation.
Chipped myself 115$.
If there is some game i would like to play is a game from Mr. Fargo.
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On March 15 2012 21:14 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 20:35 Shockk wrote:On March 15 2012 19:36 Tobberoth wrote:
So it's not a fallout game, cool. What is it? I've never played wasteland, never even heard of it before and I'm not going to pay for a future game just because it's in a post apocalyptic setting. Info please, what game is it similar to. On March 15 2012 19:55 Tobberoth wrote:On March 15 2012 19:41 Capped wrote:On March 15 2012 19:36 Tobberoth wrote:
So it's not a fallout game, cool. What is it? I've never played wasteland, never even heard of it before and I'm not going to pay for a future game just because it's in a post apocalyptic setting. Info please, what game is it similar to. Turn based combat rpg that inspired the fallout series. Fallout 1 was supposed to be wasteland 2. So... it's like fallout. Is there a single topic where you won't argue semantics? Annoying. Here, do some reading. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasteland_(video_game) I've already read that, it doesn't tell me anything. What people who haven't played wasteland want to know is how similar we can expect wasteland 2 to be a new old fallout game. When people say "it's not a fallout game", that makes it seem like it will be different, so it would make sense to want to know how different, pledging money now is paying for something we know nothing about. What a lot of people really want is a true fallout 3, wasteland 2 might be as close as well get... or it might not be, since I've never played wasteland I have no idea. Wasteland was an RPG in a post-apocalyptic world. Cool... was it isometric? Was the fighting system similar to Fallout 1?
http://www.abandonia.com/games/436/Wasteland
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On March 15 2012 20:47 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 20:28 MisterD wrote:On March 15 2012 20:20 -Archangel- wrote:On March 15 2012 19:43 MisterD wrote:
funding is complete. after just two days they raised over $900000. If people were to keep up that funding rate they'd end up with a funding of about 15 million usd after the remaining 33 days x) that's of course not going to happen, but still, i'm interested how high this will continue to climb and how the creators are going to handle this amount of resources.
Sure, they said everything more will make the game bigger, but with the current situation, until they are funded, they'll have to spend years over years in development to convert all that money into game content Oo I guess it depends on how willing they are to hire additional people to keep the development time short enough, that maybe don't quite have the same idea of game development than they have. Interested to see how it'll turn out. No it doesn't take longer. You just add voice acting and hire more developers and people to oversee them. You also get some more different computer for more quality testing and more QA people for less bugs on release. They can also hire more forum admins to better monitor and compile people wishes for new game. but see, you can't just hire a ton of people for a project like this. Their single most important goal is to make a successor that makes the people happy because it is as cool as the old style games. If you just hire tons of people, development can easily get out of hand. You can't hire people of whom you don't know how they are for that. If you just hire some random developers, you might end up with new style features that your funders don't like and then you'll get tons of hate. Worst case, you hire enough devs so that the original devs can't develop anymore at all but just run around and brief the others, and suddenly the game is developed by all the wrong people. That *can* become a serious problem. and if you don't find proper people to hire, and don't want to accidentally hire the wrong people, you'll have to stick to your developing on your own. Which means a) you sunk time into looking for people and b) you still need even longer because you promised to make more content but don't get more people. Maybe they could go a space pirates and zombies or witcher2 path and just release an initial version and a free of charge upgrade later down the line. Anyhow, that's why i find this situation interesting. Seeing how the "old school pros" will handle this. Expectations definitely are high. You have no idea how development works, do you? Developers don't do what they want, they do what their managers want. It is no different then Bioware except here Fargo tells them to develop turn based open world gray decisions with consequences RPG and not a crappy FPS with decisions that mean nothing in the end. Fargo and his team define what they want and need and then developers do it. Only say developers have in this is agreeing on how long it takes and if those developers know how to do that or need additional education.
right back at you  you can only control a developers output so much with specifications and guidelines. In the end, the developer will implement something in the way he interpreted what you told him. If you are working with someone who has a completely different mindset than you, you can tell him tons and tons of information about how you want it, he won't be able to implement it in your dream way. That's why, if you really want a top-of-the-ladder sound product, you have to find people with "compatible" mind sets.
/edit: read this  http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=318511
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What a lot of people really want is a true fallout 3, wasteland 2 might be as close as well get... or it might not be, since I've never played wasteland I have no idea. Wasteland was an RPG in a post-apocalyptic world. Cool... was it isometric? Was the fighting system similar to Fallout 1?
Bad troll, fyi.
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On March 15 2012 21:20 MisterD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 20:47 -Archangel- wrote:On March 15 2012 20:28 MisterD wrote:On March 15 2012 20:20 -Archangel- wrote:On March 15 2012 19:43 MisterD wrote:
funding is complete. after just two days they raised over $900000. If people were to keep up that funding rate they'd end up with a funding of about 15 million usd after the remaining 33 days x) that's of course not going to happen, but still, i'm interested how high this will continue to climb and how the creators are going to handle this amount of resources.
Sure, they said everything more will make the game bigger, but with the current situation, until they are funded, they'll have to spend years over years in development to convert all that money into game content Oo I guess it depends on how willing they are to hire additional people to keep the development time short enough, that maybe don't quite have the same idea of game development than they have. Interested to see how it'll turn out. No it doesn't take longer. You just add voice acting and hire more developers and people to oversee them. You also get some more different computer for more quality testing and more QA people for less bugs on release. They can also hire more forum admins to better monitor and compile people wishes for new game. but see, you can't just hire a ton of people for a project like this. Their single most important goal is to make a successor that makes the people happy because it is as cool as the old style games. If you just hire tons of people, development can easily get out of hand. You can't hire people of whom you don't know how they are for that. If you just hire some random developers, you might end up with new style features that your funders don't like and then you'll get tons of hate. Worst case, you hire enough devs so that the original devs can't develop anymore at all but just run around and brief the others, and suddenly the game is developed by all the wrong people. That *can* become a serious problem. and if you don't find proper people to hire, and don't want to accidentally hire the wrong people, you'll have to stick to your developing on your own. Which means a) you sunk time into looking for people and b) you still need even longer because you promised to make more content but don't get more people. Maybe they could go a space pirates and zombies or witcher2 path and just release an initial version and a free of charge upgrade later down the line. Anyhow, that's why i find this situation interesting. Seeing how the "old school pros" will handle this. Expectations definitely are high. You have no idea how development works, do you? Developers don't do what they want, they do what their managers want. It is no different then Bioware except here Fargo tells them to develop turn based open world gray decisions with consequences RPG and not a crappy FPS with decisions that mean nothing in the end. Fargo and his team define what they want and need and then developers do it. Only say developers have in this is agreeing on how long it takes and if those developers know how to do that or need additional education. right back at you you can only control a developers output so much with specifications and guidelines. In the end, the developer will implement something in the way he interpreted what you told him. If you are working with someone who has a completely different mindset than you, you can tell him tons and tons of information about how you want it, he won't be able to implement it in your dream way. That's why, if you really want a top-of-the-ladder sound product, you have to find people with "compatible" mind sets. /edit: read this http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=318511
If this happens then that is the problem of management (and by that I don't mean the suits that only care about numbers). Managers are here to make sure every person knows what he needs to do and when he needs to do it. If things are happening as you describe them it is not developers fault (well it can be but only in 5% of cases like when the developer is doing in on purpose or is just plain uncompetent but then this is the problem of people that hired this guy/girl).
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On March 15 2012 21:14 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 20:35 Shockk wrote:On March 15 2012 19:36 Tobberoth wrote:
So it's not a fallout game, cool. What is it? I've never played wasteland, never even heard of it before and I'm not going to pay for a future game just because it's in a post apocalyptic setting. Info please, what game is it similar to. On March 15 2012 19:55 Tobberoth wrote:On March 15 2012 19:41 Capped wrote:On March 15 2012 19:36 Tobberoth wrote:
So it's not a fallout game, cool. What is it? I've never played wasteland, never even heard of it before and I'm not going to pay for a future game just because it's in a post apocalyptic setting. Info please, what game is it similar to. Turn based combat rpg that inspired the fallout series. Fallout 1 was supposed to be wasteland 2. So... it's like fallout. Is there a single topic where you won't argue semantics? Annoying. Here, do some reading. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasteland_(video_game) I've already read that, it doesn't tell me anything. What people who haven't played wasteland want to know is how similar we can expect wasteland 2 to be a new old fallout game. When people say "it's not a fallout game", that makes it seem like it will be different, so it would make sense to want to know how different, pledging money now is paying for something we know nothing about. What a lot of people really want is a true fallout 3, wasteland 2 might be as close as well get... or it might not be, since I've never played wasteland I have no idea. Wasteland was an RPG in a post-apocalyptic world. Cool... was it isometric? Was the fighting system similar to Fallout 1?
It's called youtube and it has alot of gameplay on it from many different games.
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I love the idea of kickstart, I just hope that since the fans get input that the wrong input won't be given...
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Kickstarter projects give me hope for better games in the future. It just shows in how bad of a condition the current AAA games are compared to just a decade ago. People are actually willing to spend heaps of money just to have a decent game *MADE*.
Wasteland was what pretty much got me so interested in the idea of RPGs. I'm reallly looking forward to it.
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