EPTOnce you get the call to save them you are on a timer. If you dick around and just explore both will fail. But story continues even in that case.
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
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OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
On October 21 2014 17:30 FFW_Rude wrote: So... I bought this game since i found it at 13$ and i have to say to the people that said : "Combat system is worse than fallout tactics". Well... you never played fallout tactics did you ? I played Fallout Tactics and I liked it. More than the fail that was Fallout 3. Still believe the combat from FT is a bit better than Wasteland 2 - it offers more "points" to target into enemies, stealth and better way of preparing ambushes. Of course that's taken you're not talking about real time, then it was awful :D As for your question: + Show Spoiler + I heard it IS possible to save them both - it requires running from one place to the other, like getting to the radio tower but instead of installing the part going straight to the other place. BUT the game doesn't recognize it, so it's obviously a bit of fail from developers  | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 21 2014 18:38 OsaX Nymloth wrote: I played Fallout Tactics and I liked it. More than the fail that was Fallout 3. Still believe the combat from FT is a bit better than Wasteland 2 - it offers more "points" to target into enemies, stealth and better way of preparing ambushes. Of course that's taken you're not talking about real time, then it was awful :D As for your question: + Show Spoiler + I heard it IS possible to save them both - it requires running from one place to the other, like getting to the radio tower but instead of installing the part going straight to the other place. BUT the game doesn't recognize it, so it's obviously a bit of fail from developers I don't get why people thinks Fallout 3 is a fail. It was a really good game. Story was ok, experience and exploration was really good. The only thing i don't like in F3 is the level cap (which is not a problem on PC since you can get the cap out or mod the game) and of course the silly inventory that came from the consoles. Yeah of course it's simplified from FT but fallout tactics was a bit "too much" since after a few hours you are using the same pattern, the same strategy, spots etc... Oh and the ambush system was a bitch to get working. But at the time it was a really nice system and we weren't that critical of video games and accepted flaws or design. That's something people don't do now (me included) and that's a shame. + Show Spoiler + For me the other town was dead when i enter the thing where you have to open doors. I didn't install the radio transmitter at that time. | ||
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On October 21 2014 18:30 -Archangel- wrote: + Show Spoiler + Once you get the call to save them you are on a timer. If you dick around and just explore both will fail. But story continues even in that case. + Show Spoiler + It's not a timer. Whenever you reach a certain point in one areas questline, the other area progresses. If you leave the area, the other area instantly reaches the final fail state. You can take as much time as you like to get to either place If they patch in a working stealth system and add more weapon type variety instead of a strict tier system with 2 choices per tier, Wasteland 2 will reach a state where I consider it good. Until then it's decent but mostly "meh". | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 21 2014 19:04 Morfildur wrote: + Show Spoiler + It's not a timer. Whenever you reach a certain point in one areas questline, the other area progresses. If you leave the area, the other area instantly reaches the final fail state. You can take as much time as you like to get to either place That's good to know. I don't like rushing RPGs | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
On October 21 2014 19:03 FFW_Rude wrote: I don't get why people thinks Fallout 3 is a fail. It was a really good game. Story was ok, experience and exploration was really good. The only thing i don't like in F3 is the level cap (which is not a problem on PC since you can get the cap out or mod the game) and of course the silly inventory that came from the consoles. Because it is. A a just postapocalyptic cRPG it's just mediocre at best with awful engine and mechanics, stupid design decisions and boring tunnels that are "the world". As a Fallout... it's just fail on almost every possible field. Personally when I played first 15-20 minutes I was really liking the change to first perspective, but then the game went downhill. Cars exploding like nuclear missiles? Mini-nuke launcher?! Mutants that become orcs and ghouls that become zombies? Little amount of interesting quests, boring NPC, boring world. Bitchsoft just didn't feel what makes a Fallout a true Fallout experience. Wasteland 2 is way better example of how to make it right. Hell, even New Vegas was a lot better in that regards. So yeah, F3 sucks. And I hope Bitchsoft doesn't make F4. But sure, feel free to call me a "concrete" for liking the true Fallouts 1 & 2 and even thinking Fallout Tactics is more Fallout-ish than Fallout 3  | ||
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 21 2014 19:20 OsaX Nymloth wrote: Because it is. A a just postapocalyptic cRPG it's just mediocre at best with awful engine and mechanics, stupid design decisions and boring tunnels that are "the world". As a Fallout... it's just fail on almost every possible field. Personally when I played first 15-20 minutes I was really liking the change to first perspective, but then the game went downhill. Cars exploding like nuclear missiles? Mini-nuke launcher?! Mutants that become orcs and ghouls that become zombies? Little amount of interesting quests, boring NPC, boring world. Bitchsoft just didn't feel what makes a Fallout a true Fallout experience. Wasteland 2 is way better example of how to make it right. Hell, even New Vegas was a lot better in that regards. So yeah, F3 sucks. And I hope Bitchsoft doesn't make F4. But sure, feel free to call me a "concrete" for liking the true Fallouts 1 & 2 and even thinking Fallout Tactics is more Fallout-ish than Fallout 3 List me a FPS/RPG in a post apocalyptic world that is better (of course you're limited at that period of time and before...). - The engine is really good. What's wrong with it ? - Mechanics are... FPS mecahnics. - I don't get what's the stupid design decisions. - There's no tunnels but a lot of different buildings. - Cars blows like a rocket launcher. No nuclear missile. - Mini-nuke launcher there is like 30nukes in the game. And you can.. not use them ? (did you use all the weapons in W2 ?) - Mutants does not look like orcs and .. This is a fallout 2 mutant + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://images.wikia.com/fallout/images/archive/9/9b/20101229231614!Harry.jpg) This is a fallout 3 mutant. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091213125107/stickfoproductions/images/7/72/Super_Mutant_Master.gif) Looks similar to me. - Quests were kind of good to me. A lot of them were what you would expect of a post apo world. Also still far from good like Fallout was but hey. Video games are not the same as 10 years ago. Also a lot of people wouldn't play a Baldur's gate today because it's too long, too much text, too much difficulty etc... - Boring NPC. Well.. okay, i second this. You just see head moving and there's no real NPC that you would remember as charismatic in F3. - Boring World ? For me it's exactly like a post apocalyptic world. It's full of empty, desertic world. Hellgate London was like this too for example. (i lack another FPS/RPG post apocalyptic reference). Borderlands isn't included cause it's stupid (like funny stupid not serious). So ok i'm with you like Wastland2 is more "Fallout3" than what the real Fallout3 is but i don't think wastland2 will sell as much as fallout3 did. Because it's ... well it's old, with old mechanics and whatnot. I prefer Wasteland2 to Fallout3 (and.. it's not really the same kind of game) but Fallout3 isn't shit. And don't martyr like "the true fallout etc..." it makes you sound .. bad. And i'm sure you are a reasonable person  I can't say on new vegas. It feal more westerny than post apocalyptic to me and i didn't play it much so i don't really have on opinion on this game. | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
2. Divinity: Original Sin 3. The Wolf Among Us 4. Wolfenstein: The New Order 5. South Park: The Stick of Truth I'm currently playing Legens of Grimrock 2. I've only just started but I have a feeling that it might make it onto the list as well. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 21 2014 19:36 DrainX wrote: This is currently my game of the year, closely followed by Divinity: Original Sin. The combat might not be as good as in Original Sin, but the writing, factions, pop culture references, Easter eggs, characters, setting and atmosphere in Wasteland 2 were all perfect and exactly what I had been missing in the RPG genre for the last ten+ years. I think my top 5 so far this year looks something like this:
2. Divinity: Original Sin 3. The Wolf Among Us 4. Wolfenstein: New Order 5. South Park: The Stick of Truth I'm currently playing Legens of Grimrock 2. I've only just started but I have a feeling that it might make it onto the list as well. Is Divinity the same kind of game ? I thought it was a hack'n slash | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
On October 21 2014 19:38 FFW_Rude wrote: Is Divinity the same kind of game ? I thought it was a hack'n slash Divinity: Original Sin is a turn based, group based RPG just like Wasteland 2. I think the combat is better in Original Sin, mostly thanks to its dynamic magic system. I don't feel like they have put as much work into their game world though. Original Sin also feels a bit more light hearted and less serious than Wasteland 2. While Wasteland 2 always remains a bit tongue-in-cheek in its description of the world, Original Sin goes all out fantasy parody. They are both great games but for different reasons. | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
On October 21 2014 19:27 SatedSC2 wrote: Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas are basically Elder Scrolls games with a post-apocalyptic skin. As such, anyone who dislikes Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas but likes the Elder Scrolls games are probably lying to themselves at least a little bit. So I take it you don't like the Elder Scrolls games either..? Here's your problem: it's Oblivion with guns. Do you expect that when you're launching a Fallout game? Not at all. These were different games, but somehow Bethesda made them into one and am I supposed to be fine with it? I don't think so. Also: Morrowind was okay-ish and best of the series, Oblivion was awfully boring and Skyrim was only nice because of setting. Yeah, hate me | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
On October 21 2014 19:33 FFW_Rude wrote: List me a FPS/RPG in a post apocalyptic world that is better (of course you're limited at that period of time and before...). - The engine is really good. What's wrong with it ? - Mechanics are... FPS mecahnics. - I don't get what's the stupid design decisions. - There's no tunnels but a lot of different buildings. - Cars blows like a rocket launcher. No nuclear missile. - Mini-nuke launcher there is like 30nukes in the game. And you can.. not use them ? (did you use all the weapons in W2 ?) - Mutants does not look like orcs and .. This is a fallout 2 mutant + Show Spoiler + This is a fallout 3 mutant. + Show Spoiler + Looks similar to me. - Quests were kind of good to me. A lot of them were what you would expect of a post apo world. Also still far from good like Fallout was but hey. Video games are not the same as 10 years ago. Also a lot of people wouldn't play a Baldur's gate today because it's too long, too much text, too much difficulty etc... - Boring NPC. Well.. okay, i second this. You just see head moving and there's no real NPC that you would remember as charismatic in F3. - Boring World ? For me it's exactly like a post apocalyptic world. It's full of empty, desertic world. Hellgate London was like this too for example. (i lack another FPS/RPG post apocalyptic reference). Borderlands isn't included cause it's stupid (like funny stupid not serious). So ok i'm with you like Wastland2 is more "Fallout3" than what the real Fallout3 is but i don't think wastland2 will sell as much as fallout3 did. Because it's ... well it's old, with old mechanics and whatnot. I prefer Wasteland2 to Fallout3 (and.. it's not really the same kind of game) but Fallout3 isn't shit. And don't martyr like "the true fallout etc..." it makes you sound .. bad. And i'm sure you are a reasonable person I can't say on new vegas. It feal more westerny than post apocalyptic to me and i didn't play it much so i don't really have on opinion on this game. There were none. But that doesn't mean I should be forever in gratitude that Bethesda made a game in that universe - because they just don't get it. They treated that like another TES and that's now how this works I'm afraid. - the engine isn't good. No one will tell you it's good. Even reading reviews of New Vegas you could see a lot of time reviewers writing stuff like "solid game even with the engine not helping the developers" and so forth. One small example: every damn cave needs to have a wooden gate of some sort. Small thing, sure, but it's one of the little things that are screaming at you when you play. - mechanics are fps mechanics. Well, part of the problem. For example, why they dumbed down skills like lockpicking? I need to have 50 to pick that lock and I can't even try - in F1, F2 and even Wasteland 2 I can try to pick a lock when I have low chance of making it successful. In the best, I will open that lock. I may not. Or I may even destroy it, deeming the loot unlootable Here as long as you meet the stupid "50 or not at all" line you'll succeed, always. They also made few other weird choises, in New Vegas they mixed all the guns in one category which is just plain stupid and dumbing down if you ask meAnd so on and so on. I was really let down by that game. For example: meele > all. I could just walk around smashing randomly stuff with any meele weapon and I would do shitton of crits and more dmg than I could using guns. Good laugh. No, the mutants in F3 are really like orcs. You don't have a feeling these are artificially created superhumans, they're just a horde of brainless green dudes. Same goes now for ghouls, who were mostly intelligent "creatures" not just fast zombies running among the ruins. Did they even played the original games when making that design decision? I don't really give a damn about "games are shorter nowadays 'cause people don't want to play long games". People are playing long games - Wasteland 2 is not short game by any means, same goes for Legend of Grimrock and even the TES series. So it's not about game being short because otherwise no one will play it - it's short because "decisions". The world for me was boring. The Washington didn't feel interesting, just... as any random place with no memorable locations. Like, seriously, all I remember from F3 is those awful metro tunnels. Ugh. At first glance when you go to the surface you are like "woooow! I will explore all of that!" and then you realize you're walking in the tunnels, world is not really open. Hey, do we really think that the best games are those which sells the best? Then Call of Duty is suddenly best game series ever As for the "true" Fallout experience, well - it's just me, of course. I have my strong opinion and they are probably not popular among most of the gamer population. I wrote a lenghty review of the game and gave it 6/10 I believe - yes, I work as game journalist. People are enjoying F3? Okay, fine. It sold more? Sure, fine. But for me it's not really a good Fallout game and I see W2 as more fallout-ish than F3. Well, that was long. Sorry for any typos and so. Maybe we should post this in different thread tho? Now we (well, my fault, but I will take ya with me!) created a bit of off-topic here :D | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
We won't agree since we have different views on it. Feel free to PM if you want to continue but we will flood the thread if we continue. Sorry about that guys. | ||
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JazVM
Germany1196 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On October 21 2014 19:04 Morfildur wrote: + Show Spoiler + It's not a timer. Whenever you reach a certain point in one areas questline, the other area progresses. If you leave the area, the other area instantly reaches the final fail state. You can take as much time as you like to get to either place If they patch in a working stealth system and add more weapon type variety instead of a strict tier system with 2 choices per tier, Wasteland 2 will reach a state where I consider it good. Until then it's decent but mostly "meh". + Show Spoiler + It is on a timer if you don't go to the quest area. It counts spent water to move around and after a certain time both places fail | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
I also don't like TES games much. I only enjoyed playing Morrowind a few years after it released but never finished it. Oblivion I played for few hours only and Skyrim I played for about 15-20h and afterwards uninstalled it and regretted ever playing it (I played it for so long because I was naive and told myself it would get better soon and after novelty wore off and just walking around and looking at nice scenery was not enough I quit it). | ||
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DnameIN
Poland146 Posts
Though I have to be carefull. W2 already bumped my hopes for Tidef of Numeria above roof, and I am already planning to jump into Fallout 1/2 after. Damn it, I have no time for that;) | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
This is no DAO to DA2 story as there is no publisher behind InXile making them create a more simplified game in less time with less features. So we can expect InXile to make a better game in all aspects, not to mention a PST successor is in its base a very story heavy game with lots of focus on your character, companions and personal story. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
FO3 7/10 IMO, it's just a mediocre game. | ||
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