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On March 17 2012 02:01 -Archangel- wrote:
Actually in BG1&2 you can also buy out your transgressions. You can donate money to churches and get your reputation up. Good Characters left your party if your reputation got too low. Evil characters left if you got it too high (mostly through quests as you wouldn't need to pay the church if you didn't do evil stuff).

Actually the best part of all of this is that party members would kill each other eventually if they were too different (or try to kill you :D)

What DAO did was not use a modified BG system but a modified Kotor system. Kotor done is well, you collected reputation with each party member seperately and if they were different then you (light vs dark) you could turn them to your side. If I remember correctly this was not possible in BG games (changing alignment of party members).
But DAO should have copied Kotor even more and left out giving gifts.

On March 17 2012 02:01 -Archangel- wrote:
Actually in BG1&2 you can also buy out your transgressions. You can donate money to churches and get your reputation up. Good Characters left your party if your reputation got too low. Evil characters left if you got it too high (mostly through quests as you wouldn't need to pay the church if you didn't do evil stuff).

Actually the best part of all of this is that party members would kill each other eventually if they were too different (or try to kill you :D)

What DAO did was not use a modified BG system but a modified Kotor system. Kotor done is well, you collected reputation with each party member seperately and if they were different then you (light vs dark) you could turn them to your side. If I remember correctly this was not possible in BG games (changing alignment of party members).
But DAO should have copied Kotor even more and left out giving gifts.

On March 17 2012 02:01 -Archangel- wrote:
Actually in BG1&2 you can also buy out your transgressions. You can donate money to churches and get your reputation up. Good Characters left your party if your reputation got too low. Evil characters left if you got it too high (mostly through quests as you wouldn't need to pay the church if you didn't do evil stuff).

Actually the best part of all of this is that party members would kill each other eventually if they were too different (or try to kill you :D)

What DAO did was not use a modified BG system but a modified Kotor system. Kotor done is well, you collected reputation with each party member seperately and if they were different then you (light vs dark) you could turn them to your side. If I remember correctly this was not possible in BG games (changing alignment of party members).
But DAO should have copied Kotor even more and left out giving gifts.

On March 16 2012 23:56 plated.rawr wrote:

Considering you can import your character from BG1 to BG2, and it makes sense storywise, I'd say they're in very rapid succession, chronologically.

On March 17 2012 03:17 Merany wrote:
I'm I just mistaken? Can you really role play through the game with an evil party (and not miss 75% of the content)?

(yeah, starting to plan my first playthrough 3-4 months in advance!!!! )

On March 17 2012 02:21 solidbebe wrote:


I was okay with the special gifts though. It was kinda cool to find the special items for each character, like morrigan's mother's grimoire. If it should up your reputation, meh dunno. Maybe a little bit, but not as much as it did that's for sure.

On March 17 2012 03:39 lol_Robot wrote:


I never played through BG1 as evil, although I do know there are evil NPCs you can add to your party, in fact there is an evil pair that you meet before you meet the neutral/good pair the story sends you towards.

I don't know about quests and such, but it should be possible. There are fewer class-related quests in BG1, and most quests off the main plot are alignment neutral.

On March 17 2012 03:48 -Archangel- wrote:
Lol, actually in BG2 she is awesome as she gets stoneskin while not being that weaker as a fighter. You give her one of the 19 str belts and early you can get a +3 quarterstaff and she rocks.

On March 17 2012 04:05 TheToast wrote:


Nice. I still haven't played BG2, I bought the complete version (both games and expansion) off Amazon for $10 about a year ago but haven't really had the time to sit down and play it

BG1 she is annoying though. Especially since I don't think you can drop her without losing Khalid, who is actually a really strong fighter and the first one you get. Problem is druids can only use simple weapons, so if you don't want her up front tanking damage (which is usually a bad place for your healer, especially a half elf one) the only ranged weapon she can use is a sling. The fighter dual class becomes pointless, since she can't use any advanced weapons...

Would have been much nicer to have a fighter/cleric or straight up cleric.

On March 17 2012 04:28 Lann555 wrote:


Big problem is that she has 2 proficiency stars in clubs which are by far the worst weapons in the game. In BG2 I always had her use scimitars which are much better.

Now I just use an editor to switch her weapon proficiency around when I replay BG1

On March 17 2012 03:43 TheToast wrote:


I remember reading somewhere that if you start the game as a LAN/multiplayer game, it lets you customize all the NPC players on your side and you can still play through by yourself. Which would be good, because half the NPCs are awful. Jahira, the half elf Druid/Fighter; seriously who the hell thought that one up? Few offensive spells, lower constitution, and barely any weapons she can use.

On March 17 2012 04:48 Kukaracha wrote:
The idea about Jaheira is that it's a character, not a "unit".

Jaheira is a fighter/druid because of her story. Minsc's low intelligence and wisdom scores also suck, but that's because he's a lunatic and he's dumb as hell (still love him though).

If you want efficiency, better stick to SC or the Tekken series.

On March 17 2012 05:17 TheToast wrote:


Well, in a game like BG you still have to design characters that are going to integrate well with the player's party. It's no different than IRL DnD (that seems like a paradox lol), you need to build a party that is... I guess "balanced" is the best word. 3 bards and a ranger aren't going to survive very long at low levels, no matter how good the players are. Unless you are starting with very high level players, you need to build a good party. Jahira just doesn't fulfill any of the roles you really need. She has healing, but not the rest of the support spells of a cleric. She's a fighter, but because of the dual class can't use any decent weapons. It's not impossible by any means to play with her in your party, just... annoying.

On March 17 2012 05:29 Stratos wrote:

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Never had any troubles getting through the game with Jaheira and on the contrary, creating the 'perfect' party usually resulted in a pretty boring experience. It's just a matter of perspective. I hope they don't turn the game to an easier and less 'annoying' experience. That's, just, like, my, opinion, as, well. No reason to go as far as to say the designer "has to" design the game according to your preference.

On March 16 2012 19:42 Kukaracha wrote:


While I do trust the BG community to be elitist enough to force the devs into sticking to the original, I have no trust at all in the FF community. Bunch of emo teenagers and otaku virgins. Please don't touch FF7, the FF public has changed too much since.