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On October 13 2012 15:00 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
If you're going to give Kolb the excuse of looking like shit because of his o-line, then Cutler and Vick deserve that excuse too. Can't have it both ways. All three QB's are contending with absolute shit protecting them, and all three have dreadful LT's.
I wasn't. Kevin Kolb has performed better than both of them, and you can't use "Well Vick and Cutler have bad Olines" as an excuse when Kolb's is probably worse. I know it seems absurd but he is really playing significantly better than them.
I should put Bradford in the potential to be better list, as well as RG3, and Luck... probably Ponder too. But those guys in that list are guys that I would, without question, take over Kolb today. Statistically they may be playing equally, or even worse, but in my opinion, based on their play on the field (from what I've seen, since I can't watch all the games, obviously), they're better than Kolb. I'll tell you what Kolb has that none of them has: Larry Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald is a bad QB's best friend, because if you chuck it in his direction, you've got a high percentage chance of him coming down with it. The guy is a freak. Furthermore, he opens things up for the other guys on the field. Andre Roberts probably doesn't have 4 TD's without Fitz drawing double coverage.
I guess if I were to rank them on what they've done this season, Kolb would probably rate higher, so my ranking system didn't actually address what we were discussing. I think Flacco sucks too, btw. I pull no punches on how badly I think he's overrated crap.
You're right, if I were drafting a team I'd totally pick all these guys over Kolb -- and even Ponder and RG3 have outperformed him on the season.
But if you're judging by any reasonable statistical metric, Kolb is a middle of the pack QB for this season, so far. It's how I'm explaining the Cardinals as being in a better situation than people thought they'd be -- Kolb isn't that bad, so far, this year. For instance, Drew Brees is much worse this year than he usually is, and it's one of the reasons why the Saints are struggling compared to the past. Kolb's playing a little better, and the defense is better, so the team went from a mediocre 7-9/8-8 team to one with a good shot at a winning record.
Here's the list of current starters who I think Kolb has outperformed this year:
Weeden
Sanchez
Cassel
Tannehill
Gabbert
Wilson
Hasselbeck
Freeman
Luck
Vick
Cutler
Newton
Bradford
Fitzpatrick
Stafford
You could also make a case for Romo, whose stats are terrible, but a lot of his ints were literally his receivers fucking up and not quite on him, so he's a bit of a special case. Kevin Kolb is in about the same boat as Carson Palmer this year, maybe a little better.
For my money, he's at worst the 16th worst starting QB, performance wise, this year. Maybe a little higher than that. If I were making a team for years to come I'd definitely move a lot of these Rookies and guys who have shown more in the past (Cutler/Vick/Newton), but that's not really relevant if their play this year remains consistent.
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Need help!
Pick 1:
Steven Jackson @ Miami
Torrey Smith vs. Dallas
Denarius Moore @ Atlanta
Jeremy Kerley vs. Indianapolis
Miami is coming off as one of the best run stuffers in the league so I'm hesitant to use a Jackson who hasn't been doing much. Dallas has been really good vs. WRs and Torrey Smith was unable to capitalize vs. KC. Moore has a decent matchup vs. Atlanta, and Kerley has a good matchup vs. the Colts but he has Sanchez throwing to him. I'm stuck.
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On October 14 2012 06:19 Souma wrote:
Need help!
Pick 1:
Steven Jackson @ Miami
Torrey Smith vs. Dallas
Denarius Moore @ Atlanta
Jeremy Kerley vs. Indianapolis
Miami is coming off as one of the best run stuffers in the league so I'm hesitant to use a Jackson who hasn't been doing much. Dallas has been really good vs. WRs and Torrey Smith was unable to capitalize vs. KC. Moore has a decent matchup vs. Atlanta, and Kerley has a good matchup vs. the Colts but he has Sanchez throwing to him. I'm stuck.
Don't start a RB vs Miami ever this season. I personally would play Jeremy Kerley vs Indy but Torrey Smith vs Dallas is also enticing.
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So I have been running circles in my mind on what I should do here:
Michael Turner Vs Oak
DeMarco Murray Vs Balti
Vincent Jackson Vs KC
DeSean Jackson Vs Det
Need 1 RB, 1 WR, and 1 Flex. Aka I need to sit one out of the above 4.
I currently have Murray on the bench. On the other hand both Jacksons have been boom or bust. But then again Murray just hasn't seen the results he saw last year. Additionally, while Baltimore hasn't been great against the run (as far as FF is considered), I just have a feeling KC's massive ground and pound wont happen again against the Cowboys. Turner has been the pleasant surprise so far and the most consistent out of this group.
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Site V Jackson, imo. The 'girls have said they were going to simplify things for Mr. Homo, so I think that'll entail running the ball more against a bad run defense. That very obviously means more of Mr. Murray, which should lead to points for you. They'd certainly be smart to come out, pound the ball, and set the other team up with the PA. If they hit them with some PA, they'll be open for everything eventually. And if the 'Girls passing game picks up in the 2nd/3rd Q, you can expect some of those nasty draws that Romo runs to come out. He's seriously the best in the league at selling the draw; I remember one game where, I swear, they ran it three plays in a row for 7+ yards every time. It was nuts.
If Turner has been consistent, you obviously should run with him.
Detroit, I think (I'm not going to look it up either), has got to be bottom of the barrel in most stats. KC, on the other hand, actually has a good pass D. They're giving up TD's though, so it's kind of a toss up. You can more or less guarantee that V Jackson does not get many yards, but he could very well get 2 TD's. If DeSean Jackson has been as good or better all year, I think you run with him. Being that I'm retired, I'm not going to research this for you, but that's what my logic would be. If D Jackson is playing well, play him against Detroit, since he's more likely to get a lot of yards. If D Jackson is not playing well, take the shot on the TD's for V Jackson, since KC (while giving up about 200 yards a game, which I think is like 6th or so in the league right now) is giving up tons of passing TD's to most teams. I don't think that V Jackson has been all that hot in TB this year though... I certainly haven't heard his name spring up a lot, probably because Tampa is bad though.
TL;DR: If D Jackson is playing well, getting a lot of yards, play him this week. If D Jackson is not getting a lot of yards week to week, and V Jackson is getting a lot of looks week to week, play V Jackson for the TD potential. Point being that one of these two is who you'll sit, imo.
Hope that helps a little... the research isn't there, but hopefully the logic on picking makes sense. It's how I used to make calls, and I was a very successful player.
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On October 14 2012 00:58 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 15:00 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
If you're going to give Kolb the excuse of looking like shit because of his o-line, then Cutler and Vick deserve that excuse too. Can't have it both ways. All three QB's are contending with absolute shit protecting them, and all three have dreadful LT's. I wasn't. Kevin Kolb has performed better than both of them, and you can't use "Well Vick and Cutler have bad Olines" as an excuse when Kolb's is probably worse. I know it seems absurd but he is really playing significantly better than them. Show nested quote +I should put Bradford in the potential to be better list, as well as RG3, and Luck... probably Ponder too. But those guys in that list are guys that I would, without question, take over Kolb today. Statistically they may be playing equally, or even worse, but in my opinion, based on their play on the field (from what I've seen, since I can't watch all the games, obviously), they're better than Kolb. I'll tell you what Kolb has that none of them has: Larry Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald is a bad QB's best friend, because if you chuck it in his direction, you've got a high percentage chance of him coming down with it. The guy is a freak. Furthermore, he opens things up for the other guys on the field. Andre Roberts probably doesn't have 4 TD's without Fitz drawing double coverage.
I guess if I were to rank them on what they've done this season, Kolb would probably rate higher, so my ranking system didn't actually address what we were discussing. I think Flacco sucks too, btw. I pull no punches on how badly I think he's overrated crap. You're right, if I were drafting a team I'd totally pick all these guys over Kolb -- and even Ponder and RG3 have outperformed him on the season. But if you're judging by any reasonable statistical metric, Kolb is a middle of the pack QB for this season, so far. It's how I'm explaining the Cardinals as being in a better situation than people thought they'd be -- Kolb isn't that bad, so far, this year. For instance, Drew Brees is much worse this year than he usually is, and it's one of the reasons why the Saints are struggling compared to the past. Kolb's playing a little better, and the defense is better, so the team went from a mediocre 7-9/8-8 team to one with a good shot at a winning record. Here's the list of current starters who I think Kolb has outperformed this year: Weeden Sanchez Cassel Tannehill Gabbert Wilson Hasselbeck Freeman Luck Vick Cutler Newton Bradford Fitzpatrick Stafford You could also make a case for Romo, whose stats are terrible, but a lot of his ints were literally his receivers fucking up and not quite on him, so he's a bit of a special case. Kevin Kolb is in about the same boat as Carson Palmer this year, maybe a little better. For my money, he's at worst the 16th worst starting QB, performance wise, this year. Maybe a little higher than that. If I were making a team for years to come I'd definitely move a lot of these Rookies and guys who have shown more in the past (Cutler/Vick/Newton), but that's not really relevant if their play this year remains consistent.
Take away that Packers game, and Cutler has been playing pretty well. He had a down game against St. L too, but that was partially because the run game was working.
I think it's a bad idea to judge a QB's worth on their statistics. It doesn't even tell half the story of what their play has been like. In reality, I don't think I've watched enough of Kolb this year to judge his play. Based on previous play, he still sucks.
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I am having hard time deciding between playing Romo or Flacco this week. Romo has been terrible, but Dallas has been good and Flacco was horrible last week. The safe bet is Flacco, but I think Romo has way more upside. hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Should I start Alex Smith or RG3 this week? I'm hesitant to start RG3 so soon after his concussion.
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later games >>>> early games today. Too bad.
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Cowboys and Ravens? Lions and Eagles? What a great way to start off a Sunday morning. So pumped!
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On October 15 2012 01:59 Fumanchu wrote:
Cowboys and Ravens? Lions and Eagles? What a great way to start off a Sunday morning. So pumped!
I'm expecting the Ravens to blow out the cowboys. Lions and eagles might be entertaining about who tries to throw it harder.
But really, no comparison to 49ers-giants (ok might just as well be a blowout), patriots offense vs seahwks defense, 2 suddenly hot young quarterbacks facing each other and my favorite team (cardinals) playing.
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On October 15 2012 02:11 Mafe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 01:59 Fumanchu wrote:
Cowboys and Ravens? Lions and Eagles? What a great way to start off a Sunday morning. So pumped! I'm expecting the Ravens to blow out the cowboys. Lions and eagles might be entertaining about who tries to throw it harder. But really, no comparison to 49ers-giants (ok might just as well be a blowout), patriots offense vs seahwks defense, 2 suddenly hot young quarterbacks facing each other and my favorite team (cardinals) playing.
49ers-Giants should be an awesome game. I think patriots will just destroy seahawks though. I'm still not sold on ponder though. Crazy! You're favorite team is Cardinals? My favorite team is the Bills. Prepare to get destroyed.
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On October 14 2012 16:47 BloodNinja wrote:
So I have been running circles in my mind on what I should do here:
Michael Turner Vs Oak
DeMarco Murray Vs Balti
Vincent Jackson Vs KC
DeSean Jackson Vs Det
Need 1 RB, 1 WR, and 1 Flex. Aka I need to sit one out of the above 4.
I currently have Murray on the bench. On the other hand both Jacksons have been boom or bust. But then again Murray just hasn't seen the results he saw last year. Additionally, while Baltimore hasn't been great against the run (as far as FF is considered), I just have a feeling KC's massive ground and pound wont happen again against the Cowboys. Turner has been the pleasant surprise so far and the most consistent out of this group.
Hope you started Murray.
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On October 14 2012 18:21 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 00:58 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 13 2012 15:00 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
If you're going to give Kolb the excuse of looking like shit because of his o-line, then Cutler and Vick deserve that excuse too. Can't have it both ways. All three QB's are contending with absolute shit protecting them, and all three have dreadful LT's. I wasn't. Kevin Kolb has performed better than both of them, and you can't use "Well Vick and Cutler have bad Olines" as an excuse when Kolb's is probably worse. I know it seems absurd but he is really playing significantly better than them. I should put Bradford in the potential to be better list, as well as RG3, and Luck... probably Ponder too. But those guys in that list are guys that I would, without question, take over Kolb today. Statistically they may be playing equally, or even worse, but in my opinion, based on their play on the field (from what I've seen, since I can't watch all the games, obviously), they're better than Kolb. I'll tell you what Kolb has that none of them has: Larry Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald is a bad QB's best friend, because if you chuck it in his direction, you've got a high percentage chance of him coming down with it. The guy is a freak. Furthermore, he opens things up for the other guys on the field. Andre Roberts probably doesn't have 4 TD's without Fitz drawing double coverage.
I guess if I were to rank them on what they've done this season, Kolb would probably rate higher, so my ranking system didn't actually address what we were discussing. I think Flacco sucks too, btw. I pull no punches on how badly I think he's overrated crap. You're right, if I were drafting a team I'd totally pick all these guys over Kolb -- and even Ponder and RG3 have outperformed him on the season. But if you're judging by any reasonable statistical metric, Kolb is a middle of the pack QB for this season, so far. It's how I'm explaining the Cardinals as being in a better situation than people thought they'd be -- Kolb isn't that bad, so far, this year. For instance, Drew Brees is much worse this year than he usually is, and it's one of the reasons why the Saints are struggling compared to the past. Kolb's playing a little better, and the defense is better, so the team went from a mediocre 7-9/8-8 team to one with a good shot at a winning record. Here's the list of current starters who I think Kolb has outperformed this year: Weeden Sanchez Cassel Tannehill Gabbert Wilson Hasselbeck Freeman Luck Vick Cutler Newton Bradford Fitzpatrick Stafford You could also make a case for Romo, whose stats are terrible, but a lot of his ints were literally his receivers fucking up and not quite on him, so he's a bit of a special case. Kevin Kolb is in about the same boat as Carson Palmer this year, maybe a little better. For my money, he's at worst the 16th worst starting QB, performance wise, this year. Maybe a little higher than that. If I were making a team for years to come I'd definitely move a lot of these Rookies and guys who have shown more in the past (Cutler/Vick/Newton), but that's not really relevant if their play this year remains consistent. Take away that Packers game, and Cutler has been playing pretty well. He had a down game against St. L too, but that was partially because the run game was working. I think it's a bad idea to judge a QB's worth on their statistics. It doesn't even tell half the story of what their play has been like. In reality, I don't think I've watched enough of Kolb this year to judge his play. Based on previous play, he still sucks.
Then it's clear why you're biased against him and the Cardinals if you don't actually watch them and have trouble wondering why they're doing well. The stats aren't lying, he's playing well, especially for a guy with his o-line.
Take out Kolb's worst game and he's still better than Cutler this year. Pointless thing to say.
And the thing is, he played mediocre to good last year when he wasn't hurt, too. He's never really been outright bad, he just had to play hurt, against the harder part of the card's schedule before Skelton came in and hawked some wins thanks to the defense stepping up. It's not a new thing for him to be an around average QB. That's all he's ever been, not much worse, not much better, but certainly not bottom 5 in the league.
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Penalty early in the play and it's a free play feel free to foul! #Ravens.
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On October 15 2012 02:48 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 16:47 BloodNinja wrote:
So I have been running circles in my mind on what I should do here:
Michael Turner Vs Oak
DeMarco Murray Vs Balti
Vincent Jackson Vs KC
DeSean Jackson Vs Det
Need 1 RB, 1 WR, and 1 Flex. Aka I need to sit one out of the above 4.
I currently have Murray on the bench. On the other hand both Jacksons have been boom or bust. But then again Murray just hasn't seen the results he saw last year. Additionally, while Baltimore hasn't been great against the run (as far as FF is considered), I just have a feeling KC's massive ground and pound wont happen again against the Cowboys. Turner has been the pleasant surprise so far and the most consistent out of this group. Hope you started Murray.
That I did. STL talked me into the thought that had been rolling through my head.
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Atlanta is struggling again this week against a demonstrably inferior opponent. Atlanta is definitely overhyped, but they should not be losing to Oakland at home.
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Dallas finds more ways to shoot itself in the foot....
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Wow Raiders and Falcon is a fail compilation lol, so many interceptions so far
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