EPTNFL 2012 Season - Page 115
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thuracine
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semantics
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andrewlt
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QuanticHawk
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On October 19 2012 12:35 semantics wrote: Harbuagh is the camera mans best friend. His reactions and expressions are gif gold ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/u0GJE.gif) [/QUOTE]Yesssss On October 19 2012 12:33 DannyJ wrote: Haha damn it them refusing to take that safety cost me 5 points total in my FF match up. Damn you Harbaugh! My buddy got double boned. That cost him FF points and his spread bet  | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10342 Posts
I thought we were nuts for starting a rookie over a $10million dollar free agent (why'd you buy him, then? Most expensive backup ever?), but now I just think we're in denial over Russell Wilson's development. | ||
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Irave
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On October 19 2012 12:53 BloodNinja wrote: I dont think you lay this one on Wilson. He made some bad plays, but those two drops in the first half were absolute killers (and they were "easy" catches). You make those plays with that kind of momentum (like the Seahawks had) and you likely have 7+ points on the board already. A 4-3 team with two late game wins fueled by their rookie QB should change their QB because they lost to one of the best teams in the NFL tonight. Do you realize how absurdly stupid that sounds? On October 19 2012 15:24 andrewlt wrote: The punting team can't advance the ball on a muffed punt recovery. Declining the penalty is likely still the better call, though. Yes they can; it's a fumble. Let's suppose that they don't score on the fumble recovery though, that still leaves open the possibility of a score the next play (broken coverage, etc), leaving them within 2 points of victory. Now, let's suppose that happens and takes 15 seconds. There are now 28 seconds to kick an onside kick, recover at around Seattle's 40-45 yard, leaving them with about 30 yards to cover in up to three plays (if they can get out of bounds) and kick a game winner. Teams practice "fire drills," so to speak, in which they run the kicking team out and kick the ball with no timeouts and around 10 seconds on the clock (recall Denver doing this to some team in Shannahan's final season with Denver). However unlikely the scenario, Harbaugh apparently feared it. If they bobble the snap, Seattle likely does not return it for a TD, and is left with under 40 seconds to go 60 yards for a game tying TD. Then again, there's always the possibility that they return a fumbled snap for a TD and tie the game. Still, I'd rather take my chances here, where Seattle likely doesn't get a shot to knock the ball loose. SF suffered last season because of some bad ST plays. I think the fumbled snap on a QB kneel presents less of a chance for mistake. On October 20 2012 09:56 Irave wrote: You're overlooking that Seattle's receivers aren't very good. As well as there being about 5+ dropped passes. The #1 is a usually injured Rice. Wilson is the better choice, more mobile would be way more sacks with Flynn. The only thing we know about Flynn is he was capable of passing the ball around to an awesome GB offense. In a game that had no significance. List goes on, if Carroll thought Flynn would increase the odds of winning, he would start him. Not to mention that he lost what appeared to be his favorite target in the middle of the game. Baldwin hurt his ankle, and he was the only guy consistently getting open and catching the ball when it was thrown to him. Wilson wasn't great last night, but he wasn't awful. Two of the dropped passes put them way down field with scoring opportunities, and they were beautifully delivered passes. He did have the one really bad INT though. This kind of thing upsets me. Seriously, I didn't see much contact after 5 yards, and as far as I know, pretty much everything goes within those first five yards. I haven't looked at the rules to really know for certain, but that's how I've always heard it (unless the pass is in the air, then I think it's illegal, but again, haven't read through the rules). If the Patriots weren't crying about it, the Niners shouldn't be either. The Niners receivers are just soft as fuck, and can't break the jam. Moss was always soft as hell, so is Manningham, and everything points to Crabs being a big bitch too. The only guy that might not be a total panty-waste that catches for them is V Davis. To me, Seattle's CB's play the way that every CB should play the game. Note that I did not care who won that game, because, as a Bears fan, I love seeing Jimmy find success as a coach. I always thought he was underrated as a QB (bad OLine, no WR's, no real rushing attack, took all the blame for it), and treated poorly in Chicago. And his defense plays the game right, hard hitting, fast and clean. On the other hand, there's something that's just awesome about the Seahawks right now, similar to the way I feel about SF's D, I feel that way about Seattle. Seattle is a very similar team to what the Niners were about two years ago. Pulling Russel for a guy like Flynn would be a massive blunder, imo. They have a talented, young team, that needs to grow together. I don't think making a midseason switch to another, completely unproven player would benefit them in anyway. And that's not even considering that Matt Flynn had an entire offseason to impress the coaches, and couldn't do it. It's not as though they handed the job to Wilson. I really don't like when people get on these rants about guys "getting a shot," as though NFL coaches are these incredibly biased people that just give jobs to undeserving players. They have OTA's, training camp, and preseason to show something to the coaching staff, a total of about six weeks of work. Then they have all those practices all season to show the energy and drive to make it to the field, and they just don't do it. Chances in the NFL are earned, not given, and it seems that most people just want to give away chances to guys in the NFL, as though the guy ahead of them hadn't earned that position. Sticking with Russell is the smart choice here, imo, and it appears that Carroll agrees. And if my opinion is even remotely respected by anyone here, his should be respected a hundred fold, since this guy knows more about football and winning in football than anyone on this forum. | ||
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nemY
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On October 20 2012 10:09 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: A 4-3 team with two late game wins fueled by their rookie QB should change their QB because they lost to one of the best teams in the NFL tonight. Do you realize how absurdly stupid that sounds? You see all the hoopla about how the 49ers should change QBs even though they're 5-2? Granted the situations are different, but the guy has one dud and one mediocre game (which they still won) and people are complaining that they should have gotten Manning. This kind of thing upsets me. Seriously, I didn't see much contact after 5 yards, and as far as I know, pretty much everything goes within those first five yards. I haven't looked at the rules to really know for certain, but that's how I've always heard it (unless the pass is in the air, then I think it's illegal, but again, haven't read through the rules). If the Patriots weren't crying about it, the Niners shouldn't be either. The Niners receivers are just soft as fuck, and can't break the jam. Moss was always soft as hell, so is Manningham, and everything points to Crabs being a big bitch too. The only guy that might not be a total panty-waste that catches for them is V Davis. To me, Seattle's CB's play the way that every CB should play the game. I thought the announcers did a good job of showing Seattle's DBs mugging the 49ers WRs well past 5 yards, but meh whatever. The refs were obviously calling a physical game and Seattle's DBs took advantage of it. The Pats probably weren't crying because Brady threw for damn near 400 yards vs Seattle last week. Alex Smith is not Brady. Crabs has a reputation as a diva, but he's been making tough catches and racking up YAC this year. You just don't get YAC like he has this year in the 49ers offense without taking some hits so calling him a bitch is wrong. I didn't like the Manningham signing at the time (because I too, felt like he was soft), but he's actually turned out to be quite a surprise and has made some gritty catches. Moss is who he is at this point in the game. Davis is a physical specimen, but sometimes lets his emotions get the better of him and will occasionally drop one he should have caught. That said, athletically, he's the best TE in the game, and if he played in NE or NO his stats would be video gamish. edit: and yes Seattle will be dominant in years to come. If this game were in Seattle I have no doubts the 49ers would have lost. When they meet again it will probably be the toughest game physically, that the 49ers have played all year. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On October 20 2012 12:55 nemY wrote: You see all the hoopla about how the 49ers should change QBs even though they're 5-2? Granted the situations are different, but the guy has one dud and one mediocre game (which they still won) and people are complaining that they should have gotten Manning. I thought the announcers did a good job of showing Seattle's DBs mugging the 49ers WRs well past 5 yards, but meh whatever. The refs were obviously calling a physical game and Seattle's DBs took advantage of it. The Pats probably weren't crying because Brady threw for damn near 400 yards vs Seattle last week. Alex Smith is not Brady. Crabs has a reputation as a diva, but he's been making tough catches and racking up YAC this year. You just don't get YAC like he has this year in the 49ers offense without taking some hits so calling him a bitch is wrong. I didn't like the Manningham signing at the time (because I too, felt like he was soft), but he's actually turned out to be quite a surprise and has made some gritty catches. Moss is who he is at this point in the game. Davis is a physical specimen, but sometimes lets his emotions get the better of him and will occasionally drop one he should have caught. That said, athletically, he's the best TE in the game, and if he played in NE or NO his stats would be video gamish. edit: and yes Seattle will be dominant in years to come. If this game were in Seattle I have no doubts the 49ers would have lost. When they meet again it will probably be the toughest game physically, that the 49ers have played all year. Yeah, I didn't get to watch the game by myself, so that meant a lot of BS chatter that distracted me from the TV at times. I hate when people keep talking to me when I'm very obviously trying to pay attention to the game. Whatever. Regardless of a the degree of softness that the 49'ers WR corps has, they're not that tough, and they're not especially talented. If the 49'ers could have gotten Manning, they should have gotten Manning, he would have been a massive upgrade over Smith. He didn't want to go there, so they didn't. That doesn't mean their record would be any better if he did, but a 5-2 team with Manning has basically no questions as to how far they could go in the playoffs, whereas Smith will always be the limiting factor on this team. Manning's offense wouldn't really fit what the 49'ers try to do though, so there's another reason he isn't there. Off that topic, and onto drops... I just don't understand how professional players drop so many passes. I regularly drop a lot of passes, but I bought a pair of WR gloves (got them cheap, since I have small-ish hands and was able to stretch a youth XL out a bit) and I looked like a fucking all-star on the field the other day. The ball very seriously gets stuck to your hands. I was seriously snagging tosses out of the air with one hand without an issue (tosses, like pitching the ball, not like throwing down field, though I did have a one handed catch or two, thanks to the gloves). It's pretty crazy how much better those gloves make a person, just by putting them on. | ||
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thuracine
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On October 20 2012 14:42 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Yeah, I didn't get to watch the game by myself, so that meant a lot of BS chatter that distracted me from the TV at times. I hate when people keep talking to me when I'm very obviously trying to pay attention to the game. Whatever. Regardless of a the degree of softness that the 49'ers WR corps has, they're not that tough, and they're not especially talented. If the 49'ers could have gotten Manning, they should have gotten Manning, he would have been a massive upgrade over Smith. He didn't want to go there, so they didn't. That doesn't mean their record would be any better if he did, but a 5-2 team with Manning has basically no questions as to how far they could go in the playoffs, whereas Smith will always be the limiting factor on this team. Manning's offense wouldn't really fit what the 49'ers try to do though, so there's another reason he isn't there. Off that topic, and onto drops... I just don't understand how professional players drop so many passes. I regularly drop a lot of passes, but I bought a pair of WR gloves (got them cheap, since I have small-ish hands and was able to stretch a youth XL out a bit) and I looked like a fucking all-star on the field the other day. The ball very seriously gets stuck to your hands. I was seriously snagging tosses out of the air with one hand without an issue (tosses, like pitching the ball, not like throwing down field, though I did have a one handed catch or two, thanks to the gloves). It's pretty crazy how much better those gloves make a person, just by putting them on. I hate it when they drop a pass and are wearing the sticky gloves. I don't like the gloves because it takes away some of the talent to catching the ball. Drops on passes that they would usually catch 99 out of 100 are the worse. edit: http://www.totalprosports.com/2010/09/19/picture-of-the-day-just-how-sticky-are-wide-receivers-gloves/ | ||
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TwoToneTerran
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Ferrose
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On October 20 2012 09:16 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Outstanding defensive team Seattle is, and they're risking sinking a season because no one wants to hurt Russell Wilson's feelings. I told everyone that the NE game was a fluke for Wilson because NE's defense stinks, but nonono let's let him stumble against another division foe. The NFL shows that a great defense coupled with a average quarterback can still get you to the playoffs (Kerry Collins and the Titans), and a great defense with a decent quarterback can get you a trophy (Trent Dilfer and the Ravens). Even Rex Grossman got to a super bowl. I thought we were nuts for starting a rookie over a $10million dollar free agent (why'd you buy him, then? Most expensive backup ever?), but now I just think we're in denial over Russell Wilson's development. What NFL QB wouldn't look good against one of the worst pass defenses in the league, with Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Donald Driver, and Jermichael Finley (well I guess that was the season that he was injured) to throw to, you know, the one that announcers love to call "THE BEST RECEIVING CORPS IN THE NFL" while also calling Aaron Rodgers the best QB in the NFL in the same sentence? | ||
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TwoToneTerran
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That said, good luck recreating the Raven's defense from that year. | ||
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BloodNinja
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On October 20 2012 10:09 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: A 4-3 team with two late game wins fueled by their rookie QB should change their QB because they lost to one of the best teams in the NFL tonight. Do you realize how absurdly stupid that sounds? Not sure why you quoted me. That's what I was saying as well. Maybe you meant to quote the guy i was quoting. | ||
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nemY
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On October 20 2012 14:42 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Yeah, I didn't get to watch the game by myself, so that meant a lot of BS chatter that distracted me from the TV at times. I hate when people keep talking to me when I'm very obviously trying to pay attention to the game. Whatever. Regardless of a the degree of softness that the 49'ers WR corps has, they're not that tough, and they're not especially talented. If the 49'ers could have gotten Manning, they should have gotten Manning, he would have been a massive upgrade over Smith. He didn't want to go there, so they didn't. That doesn't mean their record would be any better if he did, but a 5-2 team with Manning has basically no questions as to how far they could go in the playoffs, whereas Smith will always be the limiting factor on this team. Manning's offense wouldn't really fit what the 49'ers try to do though, so there's another reason he isn't there. Off that topic, and onto drops... I just don't understand how professional players drop so many passes. I regularly drop a lot of passes, but I bought a pair of WR gloves (got them cheap, since I have small-ish hands and was able to stretch a youth XL out a bit) and I looked like a fucking all-star on the field the other day. The ball very seriously gets stuck to your hands. I was seriously snagging tosses out of the air with one hand without an issue (tosses, like pitching the ball, not like throwing down field, though I did have a one handed catch or two, thanks to the gloves). It's pretty crazy how much better those gloves make a person, just by putting them on. Their WR corps is better then it was last year, I know that, but no it's not elite by any means. Manningham was out of the game yesterday with an injury so I can't blame him for looking soft in that game. Harbaugh has a rep for whining a lot (cue the 40 whiner comments), but I tend to think that everything he says/does has an ulterior motive. He's cool and calculating like that. I can speculate to what his ulterior motive actually is (they have to play the Seahawks again in Seattle), but hell if I really know. Manning would have been an upgrade for the 49ers, but Manning and Harbaugh both hit me as Type-A Control Freaks who wouldn't really mesh well together. Also the amount of money Manning was asking for would have probably handicapped the 49ers salary cap for years to come. The biggest difference I've seen in the 49ers DEFENSE so far this year is that they're not getting the same type of pass rush on the QB as they did last year and they're not getting as many turnovers. Seriously look at their Turnover Margin in 2011. http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake/year/2011 Fucking elite. This year. Meh. http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake I don't think their turnover margin in 2011 is sustainable over the course of many seasons, but god damn that defense was beastly in 2011. You could literally count on the 49ers D getting an interception or fumble if the opposing team started driving on them. This year it's not the same. That's not to say that their D isn't good this year, it's just not the same as it was last year. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
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 Why not just give running backs sticky sleeves so they can't fumble? How lame.And I never bother to complain about dropped passes because that's what we were known for in the Hasselback era. I'm so conditioned to accept the incompetence of Seattle receivers that it's only noteworthy to me when a pass is actually completed. It's all just very annoying, already 0-3 in the division, basically need to break even at 3-3 and probably still need the best record in the West to get a playoff spot. I don't want to bank on a wild card spot, the NFC is too good this year. If only we were in the AFC... what the fuck is going on over there anyway lol | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On October 21 2012 00:04 BloodNinja wrote: Not sure why you quoted me. That's what I was saying as well. Maybe you meant to quote the guy i was quoting. I was just piling on, and was way too lazy to look for the original quote, since I didn't even see the post before your response to it. On October 21 2012 13:22 Souma wrote: Snap. Ravens lost Ray Lewis but activated Suggs. This may quite possibly be the moment where the Ravens D transitions from the old leader (Lewis) to the new (Suggs). http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000082508/article/terrell-suggs-expected-to-play-for-baltimore-ravens Suggs is not exactly new; he's in his tenth season this year. On October 20 2012 19:35 TwoToneTerran wrote: The best part of that post is where he calls Trent Dilfer a decent quarterback. Trent Dilfer wasn't even close to decent on that Raven's team. That said, good luck recreating the Raven's defense from that year. Yeah, Kerry Collins was a far better QB than Trent Dilfer ever could have dreamt of being. I laughed quietly to myself over that one. Kerry took a so-so Giants team to the Super Bowl the that the Ravens D dragged Dilfer's bum-ass to the same game. A lot of people seem to forget about that. Collins was good when he first came into the league too. Then someone smashed his face (as in shattered his jaw), and he was never the same. Somewhere in there, he developed and conquered a drinking problem too. What's funny is that Dilfer was known for his ball security, but actually had more turnovers than the guy he replaced that season. It just so happened that when they changed QB's, after a few consecutive losses, the D got their stuff together again and went back to dominating teams. He had 11 INT's, and 3 fumbles in 8 games (I think, I'm pulling this off the top of my head, could be 8 INT's and 3 fumbles), and the other QB had 8 total turnovers in the same amount of games... but Dilfer was a game manager that didn't turn the ball over? Whaaa? Dude sucked, and now he gets on ESPN and talks like he has a fucking clue about how to play QB at any level. I mean, honestly, he's one of the few pundits that I legitimately feel like I know more than... the guy is a complete dolt. On October 20 2012 19:19 Ferrose wrote: What NFL QB wouldn't look good against one of the worst pass defenses in the league, with Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Donald Driver, and Jermichael Finley (well I guess that was the season that he was injured) to throw to, you know, the one that announcers love to call "THE BEST RECEIVING CORPS IN THE NFL" while also calling Aaron Rodgers the best QB in the NFL in the same sentence? I've been saying the same thing for years, myself. The success of GB is based on the scheme and great wide outs. Don't get me wrong, Rodgers is fantastic, and it shows in that he's one of the most pressured QB's, but he finds ways to escape and get the ball out to his guys very quickly. He doesn't do things the way Ben does, standing around looking for the big play while tossing guys off of him. But still, his WR's know how to get open, and they do it quickly. They kill teams with short routes and YAC, and they've been doing it since 2006. Remember how good they started to look in that season? They finished 8-8 and Favre decided he'd stick around another year because of it? Then the next year the Giants beat them in the playoffs, on Favre's horribly thrown ball in OT? Yeah, it's the same scheme that had a seamless transition from Favre to Rodgers, and doesn't appear to lose a beat when Rodgers isn't in there. As good as Rodgers is (and he is very good, he can make a throw to any point on the field, very accurately, has a good arm for the deep ball, good zip on the shorter passes, can deliver with touch when needed, and can throw on the run.. can't ask for much more), it's the scheme that got him 45 TD's last year... imo anyway. I think he'd still be in pretty much everyone's top 5 if he were with another team though, because his ability is super high, and he sees the open guy very quickly. | ||
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