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On April 22 2012 08:59 MaZza[KIS] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 08:48 Dr.Lettuce wrote:
My biggest reason for thinking Jones takes this is the change I've seen in Rashads attitude.
A month ago his confidence was in full swing. His energy was through the roof, this was personal and he was quoted as saying things like 'I don't just wanna win, I wanna hurt Jon'. Those sorts of comments are the mental strength that was driving him through this. You could see it in his entire mannerisms, he was full out going to win this.
Recently in the past few weeks, his interviews have toned down a bit. He's reverted to saying much more diplomatic stuff. His answers indirectly state the acceptance that losing is a possibility. He's talking about just enjoying it. Fair enough... many guys go down this route. Rashad used to. But this fight is personal, and we've seen a full swing reversal. I don't think Rashad is all there mentally.
He has changed from wanting to physically murder Jones, to a more... hm I'm not entirely sure how to describe it. His inner fire is no longer there. Sure he got in his face at the staredown but personally, I've always found the way people speak, the emotions, words and conviction say so much more than a mean mug at the weigh ins.
As much as I want Evans to close the distance... pft. He's not. He's not a versatile enough striker, he doesn't throw decent kicks with his left leg at all, just way too one dimensional. His victory over Phil Davis is hardly great, because phil davis isn't that great in all honesty, I don't have him as a future star.
I think Jones will pick him apart with his range, and in all honesty if Rashad ends up on his back, he's done. Poor guard (decent scramble to be fair), tiny limbs, vs fucking dhalism like limbs, and a ruthless top game. God I hope I eat my words though and he pummels Jones.
Did you see the weigh in's? After he finished his PC speech to Rogan he walked away from the mike, started chest beating and said something along the lines "it's my time I'm going to k*ll this motherf*cker"... even if those aren't the exact words I think that was the sentiment... I don't think Rashad is at all afraid of Jon Jones and if anyone's going to beat him in the near future, it'll be Rashad. Otherwise, Jon Jones will have to wait for the next wave of LHW's or some of the current LHW's will have to lift their game to the next level. How long this process takes will determine how long Jones will reign as top dog in the division.
Yes I saw the weigh in, but I didn't believe his little after pump. If you hate someone, and have a point to prove. You do not accept the possibility of losing. It speaks volumes to me. Every single rivalry I can think of, neither guy ever acknowledged the possibility of losing.
Jones has this division on lock for the foreseeable future.
Gustafson? No
Davis? No
Rashad? No
The past guys don't look like they'll be throwing anything new to the table either.
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On April 22 2012 09:36 _Darwin_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:35 Blondinbengt wrote:On April 22 2012 09:30 MaZza[KIS] wrote:On April 22 2012 09:28 Terminal wrote:
Throwing kicks with that messed up ankle... tough guy. You know how else he could show he's tough? Walk through some punches and try to get a decent shot in... and you know, finish the f*cking fight... or at least try to finish. Terrible fight. Terrible... no heart, just calculated strategic BS. This seems like a very odd statement coming from someone on a forum dedicated to a strategy game JUST WALK THROUGH THEM TANK LINES U PUSSY I WANNA SEE SOME FUNNELING THROUGH THE CHOKE INSTEAD OF THIS RUNAROUND BULLSHIT
I know, right?! This micro and tactics bullshit has gone on for too long, whatever happened to 1a2a3a?
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On April 22 2012 09:39 MaZza[KIS] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:35 Blondinbengt wrote:On April 22 2012 09:30 MaZza[KIS] wrote:On April 22 2012 09:28 Terminal wrote:
Throwing kicks with that messed up ankle... tough guy. You know how else he could show he's tough? Walk through some punches and try to get a decent shot in... and you know, finish the f*cking fight... or at least try to finish. Terrible fight. Terrible... no heart, just calculated strategic BS. This seems like a very odd statement coming from someone on a forum dedicated to a strategy game Think of it this way... who do you like more: 1. Players who have awesome Macro OR 2. Players who have awesome Micro 1. dry game and they win (usually) over a prolonged period of time by slowly building up an advantage or 2. exciting game always on a knife edge and the person (usually) wins by a single engagement that wins the game for them It's a question of whether you like seeing well executed strategy or an exciting on-the-edge micro intensive game. Why do you think Boxer is so popular? It's not his macro....
People enjoy different things.
I enjoy and respect intelligent fighters. You seem to enjoy the swing for the fence and hope type.
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On April 22 2012 09:39 Blondinbengt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:36 _Darwin_ wrote:On April 22 2012 09:35 Blondinbengt wrote:On April 22 2012 09:30 MaZza[KIS] wrote:On April 22 2012 09:28 Terminal wrote:
Throwing kicks with that messed up ankle... tough guy. You know how else he could show he's tough? Walk through some punches and try to get a decent shot in... and you know, finish the f*cking fight... or at least try to finish. Terrible fight. Terrible... no heart, just calculated strategic BS. This seems like a very odd statement coming from someone on a forum dedicated to a strategy game JUST WALK THROUGH THEM TANK LINES U PUSSY I WANNA SEE SOME FUNNELING THROUGH THE CHOKE INSTEAD OF THIS RUNAROUND BULLSHIT I know, right?! This micro and tactics bullshit has gone on for too long, whatever happened to 1a2a3a?
That's not at all an equivalent analogy.
A more equivalent analogy would be MKP vs protoss storms. He's not afraid. He goes in there, Bob's and weaves, marines on red but always ends up cleaning everything up. Other terrans just run back to base or wait for ghosts. NOT MKP. He makes those marines dance!
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On April 22 2012 09:39 Dr.Lettuce wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 08:59 MaZza[KIS] wrote:On April 22 2012 08:48 Dr.Lettuce wrote:
My biggest reason for thinking Jones takes this is the change I've seen in Rashads attitude.
A month ago his confidence was in full swing. His energy was through the roof, this was personal and he was quoted as saying things like 'I don't just wanna win, I wanna hurt Jon'. Those sorts of comments are the mental strength that was driving him through this. You could see it in his entire mannerisms, he was full out going to win this.
Recently in the past few weeks, his interviews have toned down a bit. He's reverted to saying much more diplomatic stuff. His answers indirectly state the acceptance that losing is a possibility. He's talking about just enjoying it. Fair enough... many guys go down this route. Rashad used to. But this fight is personal, and we've seen a full swing reversal. I don't think Rashad is all there mentally.
He has changed from wanting to physically murder Jones, to a more... hm I'm not entirely sure how to describe it. His inner fire is no longer there. Sure he got in his face at the staredown but personally, I've always found the way people speak, the emotions, words and conviction say so much more than a mean mug at the weigh ins.
As much as I want Evans to close the distance... pft. He's not. He's not a versatile enough striker, he doesn't throw decent kicks with his left leg at all, just way too one dimensional. His victory over Phil Davis is hardly great, because phil davis isn't that great in all honesty, I don't have him as a future star.
I think Jones will pick him apart with his range, and in all honesty if Rashad ends up on his back, he's done. Poor guard (decent scramble to be fair), tiny limbs, vs fucking dhalism like limbs, and a ruthless top game. God I hope I eat my words though and he pummels Jones.
Did you see the weigh in's? After he finished his PC speech to Rogan he walked away from the mike, started chest beating and said something along the lines "it's my time I'm going to k*ll this motherf*cker"... even if those aren't the exact words I think that was the sentiment... I don't think Rashad is at all afraid of Jon Jones and if anyone's going to beat him in the near future, it'll be Rashad. Otherwise, Jon Jones will have to wait for the next wave of LHW's or some of the current LHW's will have to lift their game to the next level. How long this process takes will determine how long Jones will reign as top dog in the division. Jones has this division on lock for the foreseeable future. Gustafson? No Davis? No Rashad? No The past guys don't look like they'll be throwing anything new to the table either.
If Jones beats Shad then I will definitely agree 100%, he will coast to 3 victories and stack dat paper.
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On April 22 2012 09:39 MaZza[KIS] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:35 Blondinbengt wrote:On April 22 2012 09:30 MaZza[KIS] wrote:On April 22 2012 09:28 Terminal wrote:
Throwing kicks with that messed up ankle... tough guy. You know how else he could show he's tough? Walk through some punches and try to get a decent shot in... and you know, finish the f*cking fight... or at least try to finish. Terrible fight. Terrible... no heart, just calculated strategic BS. This seems like a very odd statement coming from someone on a forum dedicated to a strategy game Think of it this way... who do you like more: 1. Players who have awesome Macro OR 2. Players who have awesome Micro 1. dry game and they win (usually) over a prolonged period of time by slowly building up an advantage or 2. exciting game always on a knife edge and the person (usually) wins by a single engagement that wins the game for them It's a question of whether you like seeing well executed strategy or an exciting on-the-edge micro intensive game. Why do you think Boxer is so popular? It's not his macro....
First of all, the optimal thing is if you can both, but I'm sure you agree with that.
That's a biased simplification if I've ever seen one, what about if I put it like this:
Would you either want,
1. Amazing game with both players executing their macro/builds/strategy next to perfectly with one person barely edging out a win
2. Boring ass bronze level macro game where both players averaged 5k mineral banked
It's easy to skew perspectives with words, personally I like a balance but I am a lot more bothered by bad mechanics/strategy than by lack of courage in the decision making.
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standup so much better than previous fight lol
i didn't know makdessi was 22-0 kickboxer
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On April 22 2012 09:41 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:39 MaZza[KIS] wrote:On April 22 2012 09:35 Blondinbengt wrote:On April 22 2012 09:30 MaZza[KIS] wrote:On April 22 2012 09:28 Terminal wrote:
Throwing kicks with that messed up ankle... tough guy. You know how else he could show he's tough? Walk through some punches and try to get a decent shot in... and you know, finish the f*cking fight... or at least try to finish. Terrible fight. Terrible... no heart, just calculated strategic BS. This seems like a very odd statement coming from someone on a forum dedicated to a strategy game Think of it this way... who do you like more: 1. Players who have awesome Macro OR 2. Players who have awesome Micro 1. dry game and they win (usually) over a prolonged period of time by slowly building up an advantage or 2. exciting game always on a knife edge and the person (usually) wins by a single engagement that wins the game for them It's a question of whether you like seeing well executed strategy or an exciting on-the-edge micro intensive game. Why do you think Boxer is so popular? It's not his macro.... People enjoy different things. I enjoy and respect intelligent fighters. You seem to enjoy the swing for the fence and hope type.
Yep, I'm from the days of Pride, sorry. I'm used to fighters like Fedor, Shogun, Wanderlei. Fighters who will risk losing to make a fight exciting. In the end, in my opinion, you can only become a legend if you do what you do taking risks.
ANYWAYS, enough of this topic. Lets leave it at that.... great fight going on.
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On April 22 2012 09:43 MaZza[KIS] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:39 Blondinbengt wrote:On April 22 2012 09:36 _Darwin_ wrote:On April 22 2012 09:35 Blondinbengt wrote:On April 22 2012 09:30 MaZza[KIS] wrote:On April 22 2012 09:28 Terminal wrote:
Throwing kicks with that messed up ankle... tough guy. You know how else he could show he's tough? Walk through some punches and try to get a decent shot in... and you know, finish the f*cking fight... or at least try to finish. Terrible fight. Terrible... no heart, just calculated strategic BS. This seems like a very odd statement coming from someone on a forum dedicated to a strategy game JUST WALK THROUGH THEM TANK LINES U PUSSY I WANNA SEE SOME FUNNELING THROUGH THE CHOKE INSTEAD OF THIS RUNAROUND BULLSHIT I know, right?! This micro and tactics bullshit has gone on for too long, whatever happened to 1a2a3a? That's not at all an equivalent analogy. A more equivalent analogy would be MKP vs protoss storms. He's not afraid. He goes in there, Bob's and weaves, marines on red but always ends up cleaning everything up. Other terrans just run back to base or wait for ghosts. NOT MKP. He makes those marines dance!
You can't seriously claim that the SC analogy for heart in MMA would be micro ability?
That falls under mechanics, which would be the analogy for technique.
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On April 22 2012 09:47 Blondinbengt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:43 MaZza[KIS] wrote:On April 22 2012 09:39 Blondinbengt wrote:On April 22 2012 09:36 _Darwin_ wrote:On April 22 2012 09:35 Blondinbengt wrote:On April 22 2012 09:30 MaZza[KIS] wrote:On April 22 2012 09:28 Terminal wrote:
Throwing kicks with that messed up ankle... tough guy. You know how else he could show he's tough? Walk through some punches and try to get a decent shot in... and you know, finish the f*cking fight... or at least try to finish. Terrible fight. Terrible... no heart, just calculated strategic BS. This seems like a very odd statement coming from someone on a forum dedicated to a strategy game JUST WALK THROUGH THEM TANK LINES U PUSSY I WANNA SEE SOME FUNNELING THROUGH THE CHOKE INSTEAD OF THIS RUNAROUND BULLSHIT I know, right?! This micro and tactics bullshit has gone on for too long, whatever happened to 1a2a3a? That's not at all an equivalent analogy. A more equivalent analogy would be MKP vs protoss storms. He's not afraid. He goes in there, Bob's and weaves, marines on red but always ends up cleaning everything up. Other terrans just run back to base or wait for ghosts. NOT MKP. He makes those marines dance! You can't seriously claim that the SC analogy for heart in MMA would be micro ability? That falls under mechanics, which would be the analogy for technique.
I don';t think you're reading what I'm writing. I'm talking about SITUATIONAL RISK TAKING. The only way I can draw that analogy is in a micro battle. Why do you keep picking on the way I'm expressing myself instead of trying to understand what I mean? It is obvious what I like and I don't understand what you;re trying to argue?
You like boring 3 round decisions? GOOD FOR YOU!
I DON'T!
I like fighters who take risks and win or lose make exciting fights. That's it...
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dude i think makdessi is gunna explode in round 3.
he seems freaking pumped
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also, did anyone notice fucking atlanta georgia chanting "usa" during the danzig/efrain fight? rofl
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On April 22 2012 09:51 _Darwin_ wrote:
dude i think makdessi is gunna explode in round 3.
he seems freaking pumped
They're cancelling eachother out. Both too good on the feet. The best thing that could happen is if someone just explodes and swings a few haymakers. I hope one of them catches...
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i really dislike it when the crowd boos.
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On April 22 2012 09:56 _Darwin_ wrote:
i really dislike it when the crowd boos.
Haven't they been booing the entire night so far? Hard to hear on low quality stream, but feels like I've been hearing boos all throughout the fights so far. Not any massive boos, just quiet constant ones
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On April 22 2012 09:56 _Darwin_ wrote:
i really dislike it when the crowd boos.
They paid money to see blood, you haven't.
Like Robin Williams said "You think people go to NASCAR races to see cars take left turns all day?"
Not trollin'. Just sayin'.
I don;t know man... everyone is too high level these days for anyone to make mistakes.... it's so hard to finish these days. But, you'd be a fool if you didn;t acknowledge the fact that most of the public wants to see finishes... not technically sound fights....
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On April 22 2012 09:57 Blondinbengt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:56 _Darwin_ wrote:
i really dislike it when the crowd boos. Haven't they been booing the entire night so far? Hard to hear on low quality stream, but feels like I've been hearing boos all throughout the fights so far. Not any massive boos, just quiet constant ones
I just started watching the previous fight. Didn't see the split decision fest earlier.
29-28 njokuani
both guys solid.
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On April 22 2012 09:57 MaZza[KIS] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:56 _Darwin_ wrote:
i really dislike it when the crowd boos. They paid money to see blood, you haven't. Like Robin Williams said "You think people go to NASCAR races to see cars take left turns all day?" Not trollin'. Just sayin'.
If they have then they're dumb, there's plenty of backyard fights on the internet with blood a plenty
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On April 22 2012 09:57 MaZza[KIS] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:56 _Darwin_ wrote:
i really dislike it when the crowd boos. They paid money to see blood, you haven't. Like Robin Williams said "You think people go to NASCAR races to see cars take left turns all day?" Not trollin'. Just sayin'.
I don't even know what to say here. . .
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On April 22 2012 09:59 Blondinbengt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 09:57 MaZza[KIS] wrote:On April 22 2012 09:56 _Darwin_ wrote:
i really dislike it when the crowd boos. They paid money to see blood, you haven't. Like Robin Williams said "You think people go to NASCAR races to see cars take left turns all day?" Not trollin'. Just sayin'. If they have then they're dumb, there's plenty of backyard fights on the internet with blood a plenty
Kimbo??? Need I say more?
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