No promotion pictures yet, so this will do for now
It's official. UFC 145 will be headlined by Jones vs Evans for the Light Heavyweight Title in Atlanta on April 21, 2012.
UFC 145 Champ Jon Jones vs. Rashad Evans (for light-heavyweight title) Michael McDonald vs. Miguel Torres Maximo Blanco vs. Marcus Brimage Mark Hominick vs. Eddie Yagin Rory MacDonald vs. Che Mills Ben Rothwell vs. Brendan Schaub Mark Bocek vs. Matt Wiman Travis Browne vs. Chad Griggs John Makdessi vs. Anthony Njokuani Mac Danzig vs. Efrain Escudero Chris Clements vs. Keith Wisniewski
Evans knows Jones weakness and has a blueprint in Jones vs. Machida. I hope Evans wins, just to stop the Jones train a bit and send Jones to the heavyweight division. This is going to be tough for Evans though, as Jones seem way ahead of everybody now. Smart bet is on Jones. But I have a vague feeling this will be a wtf upset.
Moreover, this is the worst undercard ever. Dana White is really milking the events. There should at least be two or three main event-worthy matches in the UFC, even in non-PPVs. This is like boxing where you watch only the main event.
Poll: Who will be the Champion after UFC 145?
Jon Jones (12)
80%
Rashad Evans (3)
20%
15 total votes
Your vote: Who will be the Champion after UFC 145?
i agree the main event is a little top heavy compared to some of the other fights but i still enjoy watching guys i don't know fight it out. I will even go to say some of the facebook and preliminaries are more entertaining that some of the main card fight in someone of the previous UFC's i've watched.
I actually rather want to see most fights on this card, the Clements one is the only one I don't have any feeling on. I really, really hope Rashad beats Jones but I just don't see it happening. Mills-Macdonald will be awesome, especially can't wait to see that one =)
I didn't see the Rashad vs Davis fight, how close was it? Wiki just says won majority descion? Other than that im pretty sure Jones is untouchable in this division by a long mile.
I think Evans is going to be a very tough fight for Jones. Evans dismantaling Phil davis was really impressive. The height and reach advantage did nothing. This will be the real king maker fight imo. If Jones can beat Evans, he's going to hold onto that title for a long time.
I think Jones smashes Evans. Jones has a incredible reach advantage and definitely puts in to use. I'm assuming Rashad will look to get takedowns, but Jones has outwrestled all his opponents fairly easily. If Rashad can actually get Jones on his back, Jones may lose, but I don't see that happening.
On February 09 2012 01:27 Pandemona wrote: I didn't see the Rashad vs Davis fight, how close was it? Wiki just says won majority descion? Other than that im pretty sure Jones is untouchable in this division by a long mile.
Rashad dominated Davis every round. He was super composed and made Davis look like it was his first time wrestling in MMA. He put Davis in an iron cross(I think that's what its called, has control of both arms and can just punch him in the face unimpeded) THREE TIMES.
can't see jon jones losing at ALL in every department - wrestling jones has a good or greater wrestling ability based on his genetics, he has taken out ryan bader who was 11-0? while rashad may have the upper hand i don't think it's good enough and i don't evne know why people claim rashad has the better wrestling. look at the fight between rashad and rampage where rashad was UNABLE to keep rampage down and execute his game plan and luckily escaped a barrage of combos. whereas look at the jones vs rampage and how rampage was unable to do ANYTHING in the striking department vs jones and the fact he eventually got tangled up and choked out. - striking, unorthodox, reach advantage, you don't know what's going to hit you and he hits it almost all the time with devastating power, the elbows will end you if they hit you look at the american psycho, vera, and mat hamil what elbows did to them - submission game / jiu jitsu jones can pull almost any type of submission only after seeing it once and he'll use his size and lengthy advantange to make it work. who honestly can pull a standing guillotine on someone in the LHW and do it like it was nothing? machida got raped. - ability to take a hit they are about equal in this department. no one has seen jones stunned or dazzed but we've seen rashad knocked out. so even then i give the advantage to jones in this department because rashad has already shown the symptoms of someone developing a glass jaw if he gets KOED again.
Yea I'm really stoked for this one. Main event has been a loooong time in coming. Rory Macdonald is from the Okanagan, same as me, so I'm stoked to see him as well.
It's not a huge card on paper, but I'm excited for this one.
Michael McDonald vs Miguel Torres Rory Macdonald vs Che Mills Rashad Evans vs Jon Jones
These 3 get me excited. Also, Rothwell appears to be in excellent shape, the very best shape he's been in, ever. I thought Schaub would beat him quite convincingly but I'm having my doubts now.
In the Evans vs Jones I'm picking Evans by TKO/KO either second or third round. They both have good cardio, but if it goes to decision I think Jones is the better point fighter.
Ben Rothwell is one of the worst fighters I've ever seen in the heavyweight division. The guy gases in every single one of his fights and I don't see his cardio changing one bit for this one either. Even though he's one of the toughest guys to put away, I, in no way shape or form, see Schaub losing this fight.
Evans and Jones is an amazing clash to think about. They are my 1 and 2 faovurite fighters (Evans then Jones). I think to Evans' advantage:
- better wrestling - 'bigger brother' mentality - faster and better technically than anyone Jones has fought - experience, more wily - Jones hasn't ever had to gut out a victory, Rashad has been there (close to losses) many times - Rashad thrives on being the underdog - arguably executes game plans better than anyone other than GSP
To Jones' advantage:
- Evans got beat by a fast guy who uses unorthodox strikes, timing and range, perfect for Jones - Physical advantage (Rashad could fight MW), range height and weight - Confidence
It's going to be a tough one to call but my eventual opinion is that I weigh it 60:40 in favour of Evans.
On April 21 2012 14:31 sc4k wrote: Evans and Jones is an amazing clash to think about. They are my 1 and 2 faovurite fighters (Evans then Jones). I think to Evans' advantage:
- better wrestling - 'bigger brother' mentality - faster and better technically than anyone Jones has fought - experience, more wily - Jones hasn't ever had to gut out a victory, Rashad has been there (close to losses) many times - Rashad thrives on being the underdog - arguably executes game plans better than anyone other than GSP
To Jones' advantage:
- Evans got beat by a fast guy who uses unorthodox strikes, timing and range, perfect for Jones - Physical advantage (Rashad could fight MW), range height and weight - Confidence
It's going to be a tough one to call but my eventual opinion is that I weigh it 60:40 in favour of Evans.
No way is Evans faster or better technically than Machida.
On April 21 2012 14:31 sc4k wrote: Evans and Jones is an amazing clash to think about. They are my 1 and 2 faovurite fighters (Evans then Jones). I think to Evans' advantage:
- better wrestling - 'bigger brother' mentality - faster and better technically than anyone Jones has fought - experience, more wily - Jones hasn't ever had to gut out a victory, Rashad has been there (close to losses) many times - Rashad thrives on being the underdog - arguably executes game plans better than anyone other than GSP
To Jones' advantage:
- Evans got beat by a fast guy who uses unorthodox strikes, timing and range, perfect for Jones - Physical advantage (Rashad could fight MW), range height and weight - Confidence
It's going to be a tough one to call but my eventual opinion is that I weigh it 60:40 in favour of Evans.
No way is Evans faster or better technically than Machida.
Depends on how you define faster, Evans is more explosive in his legs than Machida is and his hooks are way faster than Machida's but on the flip side pretty much all other types of strikes are faster for Machida.
Better wrestling is up for debate to be honest and I don't even think you can make that good of a comparision between them anyway simply because of how different their wrestling is, Evans wrestling is based on well-timed shoots that he mixes in with his striking while Jones wrestling is greco-roman based and therefore very clinched based with trips, sweeps and tosses.
I don't see how the 'bigger brother'-thing makes any sense, you can't possibly know how the fighters actually feel about eachother or how that's going to effect the fight, more so than counting it as an advantage for one fighter it should be a question mark imo, if you're going to have it there at all.
To say that because Evans lost to Machida that somehow means that Jones is a horrible opponent for him is really weird to me, how on earth are Machida and Jones similiar at all?
I would really like to see Evans win this fight, but I just don't think anyone in the LHW division stands a chance against Jones. I am looking forward to the Rory McDonald fight too. He has a lot of potential to be a great fighter. I also like Bocek and Shaub so this should be a decent card.
I have a small freeroll on McDonald (vs Torres) here. When the lines first came out in mid February one site had McDonald +130 and another site had Torres -115 so was able to bet both of those lines for a guaranteed profit.
It's been a while since I bet this much on a fight but I have $3500 on Jones please don't fail me. Basically I think there is no way for Rashad to win this one and would probably have set the line around -1000 or so. Jones has seemed untouchable against Bader/Shogun/Jackson/Machida and I don't think stylistically Rashad has a good matchup here. The only way I can see Rashad win is by an incredible punch like he finished Liddell with in 2008. Against good opponentsy Rashad is a decision fighter (Davis, Jackson, Thiago), and I just don't see a way for him to ever decision Jones. On top of that Rashad slows down a lot in later rounds, so even if he scored a dominant round 1 or 2 I still don't see him getting a decision. He has to finish it and everybody in Jones' camp knows it.
Leaving for ATL in 2.5 hours to pick up my brother and hang out before the fight starts. So excited I get to see this fight live, should be awesome!
It's been a while since I bet this much on a fight but I have $3500 on Jones please don't fail me. Basically I think there is no way for Rashad to win this one and would probably have set the line around -1000 or so. Jones has seemed untouchable against Bader/Shogun/Jackson/Machida and I don't think stylistically Rashad has a good matchup here. The only way I can see Rashad win is by an incredible punch like he finished Liddell with in 2008. Against good opponentsy Rashad is a decision fighter (Davis, Jackson, Thiago), and I just don't see a way for him to ever decision Jones. On top of that Rashad slows down a lot in later rounds, so even if he scored a dominant round 1 or 2 I still don't see him getting a decision. He has to finish it and everybody in Jones' camp knows it.
It happened in ATL, hopefully history doesn't repeat itself in the same arena for your sake.
Edit:
On April 21 2012 19:33 Insomniac22 wrote: If Rothwell doesn't gas (which he does a lot) he might fair well.
I think Evans is going to be submitted (darce choke imho). I am looking for wonderboy to make his 2nd appearance
Being from SC, I have seen Thompson fight 2 times locally and saw his last fight on PPV. I am definitely excited for this fight as well.
wow, that really is the worst undercard I have ever seen for a PPV event. The Jones-Evans matchup is enough to make most people buy it regardless though. I really, really want to see the fight. I have no idea who will win, dont really dislike either guy either so I just hope its a slug fest.
So Rashad Evans faces the mighty Jon Jones in the Primus of UFC 145....I predict Rashad gives missio at the end of the 2nd round and Jones remains the champ.
On April 21 2012 22:00 xjoehammerx wrote: So Rashad Evans faces the mighty Jon Jones in the Primus of UFC 145....I predict Rashad gives missio at the end of the 2nd round and Jones remains the champchampion of Capua.
Really excited for this, especially the main event and I love the hype for the fight.
I echo that the only way I see Rashad winning is with a bomb like he landed on Chuck honestly. Not taking anything away from him, but Jon Jones is just on another level in my opinion. I get this picture of Jon simply ragdolling Rashad which will be interesting to see.
I've been waiting so long for this. I was completely surprised by how Evans destroyed davis. I think he'll be the first real fighter that has a chance at beating jones.
On April 22 2012 01:46 Logros wrote: In how many hours is this starting?
On April 21 2012 14:31 sc4k wrote: Evans and Jones is an amazing clash to think about. They are my 1 and 2 faovurite fighters (Evans then Jones). I think to Evans' advantage:
- better wrestling - 'bigger brother' mentality - faster and better technically than anyone Jones has fought - experience, more wily - Jones hasn't ever had to gut out a victory, Rashad has been there (close to losses) many times - Rashad thrives on being the underdog - arguably executes game plans better than anyone other than GSP
To Jones' advantage:
- Evans got beat by a fast guy who uses unorthodox strikes, timing and range, perfect for Jones - Physical advantage (Rashad could fight MW), range height and weight - Confidence
It's going to be a tough one to call but my eventual opinion is that I weigh it 60:40 in favour of Evans.
No way is Evans faster or better technically than Machida.
Yeah, I don't know about that 4k heh
The only advantage I'd give Rashad is experience. You can call that big brother mentality all you want and he knows what it's like to lose and that's exactly what he's been hammering home.
Eventually Long Bones Jones will lose, but it probably won't be to Rashad. He'll make a good fight out of it though!
P.S. I like this card, I don't know why people are so mad when they don't see the usual suspects. In fact a lot of these guys are pretty well known in MMA.
i think shad will win. he much bigger than jones. what? am i crazy? wingspan! height! jones is bigger you say. people said the same thing about phil davis being bigger than shad as well but i think davis was smaller too. just from my perspective guys with womanly hips and fat chests like shad are bigger than stronger than people w/ fitness model bodies like jones.
jones definitely can win. he outlined his game plan; keep shad off him and strike. if he hurts shad with strikes he could make it impossible for shad to muster up takedowns. without a doubt he can win. but i think shad will be able to take down jones b/c he's bigger in some ways and stronger.
this will be a great fight for me to watch. i really don't like phony bones jones. i'll be cheering like a madman if shad wins!
On April 21 2012 14:31 sc4k wrote: Evans and Jones is an amazing clash to think about. They are my 1 and 2 faovurite fighters (Evans then Jones). I think to Evans' advantage:
- better wrestling - 'bigger brother' mentality - faster and better technically than anyone Jones has fought - experience, more wily - Jones hasn't ever had to gut out a victory, Rashad has been there (close to losses) many times - Rashad thrives on being the underdog - arguably executes game plans better than anyone other than GSP
To Jones' advantage:
- Evans got beat by a fast guy who uses unorthodox strikes, timing and range, perfect for Jones - Physical advantage (Rashad could fight MW), range height and weight - Confidence
It's going to be a tough one to call but my eventual opinion is that I weigh it 60:40 in favour of Evans.
No way is Evans faster or better technically than Machida.
Yeah, I don't know about that 4k heh
The only advantage I'd give Rashad is experience. You can call that big brother mentality all you want and he knows what it's like to lose and that's exactly what he's been hammering home.
Eventually Long Bones Jones will lose, but it probably won't be to Rashad. He'll make a good fight out of it though!
P.S. I like this card, I don't know why people are so mad when they don't see the usual suspects. In fact a lot of these guys are pretty well known in MMA.
I should probably clear up that I forgot Jonny actually fought Lyoto. I've been out of hardcore MMA following for like 6 months. Still watch every event just can't remember them! Lyoto is a better technical fighter and faster than shad. I do still think the rest of my points stand...and when you throw wrestling into the mix it becomes a lot harder to tell than the Machida fight. I think big brother mentality is a valid point...it's happened to me in combat sports before, older guys in the gym just have this self belief that you are the whippersnapper and they SHOULD win and it gives them extra confidence which can really be destabilising. Lyoto is the best fighter Jones has faced and he was at an all time low in confidence. Matyushenko was too, Bader was just crap and completely outmatched by Jones, all he brought was his physique.
Also I forgot to mention that shad completely pasted Phil Davis, made him look like a beginner, even though Davis has comparable strength to Jones. So it's not like he's scared. He completely blew Davis out of the water, and I was happy predicting a shad victory before that bout so I guess I'm still happy to do that here. Jones is better than Davis but mostly because of striking. Btw I have met both guys, both are really nice . I was lightweight at the time of this, I'm exactly the same height as rashad haha. I swear he has serious balls fighting LHW, those guys are so massive.
I'm a bit conflicted about jone's physical build. He has a great upper body and quads, but his lower legs is reflective of his nickname "bones". Do you guys think this is deliberate? It may physically be his only weakness, but because of his height, his opponents may never reach it?
If rashad's gameplan involves taking down jones then I'm going to have to vote for jones. In fact, I don't see rashad winning this fight unless he has evolved as much as his interviews claims.
My biggest reason for thinking Jones takes this is the change I've seen in Rashads attitude.
A month ago his confidence was in full swing. His energy was through the roof, this was personal and he was quoted as saying things like 'I don't just wanna win, I wanna hurt Jon'. Those sorts of comments are the mental strength that was driving him through this. You could see it in his entire mannerisms, he was full out going to win this.
Recently in the past few weeks, his interviews have toned down a bit. He's reverted to saying much more diplomatic stuff. His answers indirectly state the acceptance that losing is a possibility. He's talking about just enjoying it. Fair enough... many guys go down this route. Rashad used to. But this fight is personal, and we've seen a full swing reversal. I don't think Rashad is all there mentally.
He has changed from wanting to physically murder Jones, to a more... hm I'm not entirely sure how to describe it. His inner fire is no longer there. Sure he got in his face at the staredown but personally, I've always found the way people speak, the emotions, words and conviction say so much more than a mean mug at the weigh ins.
As much as I want Evans to close the distance... pft. He's not. He's not a versatile enough striker, he doesn't throw decent kicks with his left leg at all, just way too one dimensional. His victory over Phil Davis is hardly great, because phil davis isn't that great in all honesty, I don't have him as a future star.
I think Jones will pick him apart with his range, and in all honesty if Rashad ends up on his back, he's done. Poor guard (decent scramble to be fair), tiny limbs, vs fucking dhalism like limbs, and a ruthless top game. God I hope I eat my words though and he pummels Jones.
On April 22 2012 08:50 Xinder wrote: Maybe it's cause I'm new to UFC and haven't seen a whole lot of fights. But I think this first prelim is pretty good.
This is the second fight, the first one was pretty bad, this one is really entertaining though
On April 22 2012 08:48 Dr.Lettuce wrote: My biggest reason for thinking Jones takes this is the change I've seen in Rashads attitude.
A month ago his confidence was in full swing. His energy was through the roof, this was personal and he was quoted as saying things like 'I don't just wanna win, I wanna hurt Jon'. Those sorts of comments are the mental strength that was driving him through this. You could see it in his entire mannerisms, he was full out going to win this.
Recently in the past few weeks, his interviews have toned down a bit. He's reverted to saying much more diplomatic stuff. His answers indirectly state the acceptance that losing is a possibility. He's talking about just enjoying it. Fair enough... many guys go down this route. Rashad used to. But this fight is personal, and we've seen a full swing reversal. I don't think Rashad is all there mentally.
He has changed from wanting to physically murder Jones, to a more... hm I'm not entirely sure how to describe it. His inner fire is no longer there. Sure he got in his face at the staredown but personally, I've always found the way people speak, the emotions, words and conviction say so much more than a mean mug at the weigh ins.
As much as I want Evans to close the distance... pft. He's not. He's not a versatile enough striker, he doesn't throw decent kicks with his left leg at all, just way too one dimensional. His victory over Phil Davis is hardly great, because phil davis isn't that great in all honesty, I don't have him as a future star.
I think Jones will pick him apart with his range, and in all honesty if Rashad ends up on his back, he's done. Poor guard (decent scramble to be fair), tiny limbs, vs fucking dhalism like limbs, and a ruthless top game. God I hope I eat my words though and he pummels Jones.
Did you see the weigh in's?
After he finished his PC speech to Rogan he walked away from the mike, started chest beating and said something along the lines "it's my time I'm going to k*ll this motherf*cker"... even if those aren't the exact words I think that was the sentiment...
I don't think Rashad is at all afraid of Jon Jones and if anyone's going to beat him in the near future, it'll be Rashad. Otherwise, Jon Jones will have to wait for the next wave of LHW's or some of the current LHW's will have to lift their game to the next level. How long this process takes will determine how long Jones will reign as top dog in the division.
On April 22 2012 09:28 Terminal wrote: Throwing kicks with that messed up ankle... tough guy.
You know how else he could show he's tough? Walk through some punches and try to get a decent shot in... and you know, finish the f*cking fight... or at least try to finish.
Terrible fight. Terrible... no heart, just calculated strategic BS.
On April 22 2012 09:28 Terminal wrote: Throwing kicks with that messed up ankle... tough guy.
You know how else he could show he's tough? Walk through some punches and try to get a decent shot in... and you know, finish the f*cking fight... or at least try to finish.
Terrible fight. Terrible... no heart, just calculated strategic BS.
This seems like a very odd statement coming from someone on a forum dedicated to a strategy game
On April 22 2012 09:28 Terminal wrote: Throwing kicks with that messed up ankle... tough guy.
You know how else he could show he's tough? Walk through some punches and try to get a decent shot in... and you know, finish the f*cking fight... or at least try to finish.
Terrible fight. Terrible... no heart, just calculated strategic BS.
This seems like a very odd statement coming from someone on a forum dedicated to a strategy game
JUST WALK THROUGH THEM TANK LINES U PUSSY
I WANNA SEE SOME FUNNELING THROUGH THE CHOKE INSTEAD OF THIS RUNAROUND BULLSHIT
On April 22 2012 09:28 Terminal wrote: Throwing kicks with that messed up ankle... tough guy.
You know how else he could show he's tough? Walk through some punches and try to get a decent shot in... and you know, finish the f*cking fight... or at least try to finish.
Terrible fight. Terrible... no heart, just calculated strategic BS.
This seems like a very odd statement coming from someone on a forum dedicated to a strategy game
Think of it this way... who do you like more:
1. Players who have awesome Macro OR 2. Players who have awesome Micro
1. dry game and they win (usually) over a prolonged period of time by slowly building up an advantage or 2. exciting game always on a knife edge and the person (usually) wins by a single engagement that wins the game for them
It's a question of whether you like seeing well executed strategy or an exciting on-the-edge micro intensive game. Why do you think Boxer is so popular? It's not his macro....
On April 22 2012 08:48 Dr.Lettuce wrote: My biggest reason for thinking Jones takes this is the change I've seen in Rashads attitude.
A month ago his confidence was in full swing. His energy was through the roof, this was personal and he was quoted as saying things like 'I don't just wanna win, I wanna hurt Jon'. Those sorts of comments are the mental strength that was driving him through this. You could see it in his entire mannerisms, he was full out going to win this.
Recently in the past few weeks, his interviews have toned down a bit. He's reverted to saying much more diplomatic stuff. His answers indirectly state the acceptance that losing is a possibility. He's talking about just enjoying it. Fair enough... many guys go down this route. Rashad used to. But this fight is personal, and we've seen a full swing reversal. I don't think Rashad is all there mentally.
He has changed from wanting to physically murder Jones, to a more... hm I'm not entirely sure how to describe it. His inner fire is no longer there. Sure he got in his face at the staredown but personally, I've always found the way people speak, the emotions, words and conviction say so much more than a mean mug at the weigh ins.
As much as I want Evans to close the distance... pft. He's not. He's not a versatile enough striker, he doesn't throw decent kicks with his left leg at all, just way too one dimensional. His victory over Phil Davis is hardly great, because phil davis isn't that great in all honesty, I don't have him as a future star.
I think Jones will pick him apart with his range, and in all honesty if Rashad ends up on his back, he's done. Poor guard (decent scramble to be fair), tiny limbs, vs fucking dhalism like limbs, and a ruthless top game. God I hope I eat my words though and he pummels Jones.
Did you see the weigh in's?
After he finished his PC speech to Rogan he walked away from the mike, started chest beating and said something along the lines "it's my time I'm going to k*ll this motherf*cker"... even if those aren't the exact words I think that was the sentiment...
I don't think Rashad is at all afraid of Jon Jones and if anyone's going to beat him in the near future, it'll be Rashad. Otherwise, Jon Jones will have to wait for the next wave of LHW's or some of the current LHW's will have to lift their game to the next level. How long this process takes will determine how long Jones will reign as top dog in the division.
Yes I saw the weigh in, but I didn't believe his little after pump. If you hate someone, and have a point to prove. You do not accept the possibility of losing. It speaks volumes to me. Every single rivalry I can think of, neither guy ever acknowledged the possibility of losing.
Jones has this division on lock for the foreseeable future.
Gustafson? No Davis? No Rashad? No
The past guys don't look like they'll be throwing anything new to the table either.
On April 22 2012 09:28 Terminal wrote: Throwing kicks with that messed up ankle... tough guy.
You know how else he could show he's tough? Walk through some punches and try to get a decent shot in... and you know, finish the f*cking fight... or at least try to finish.
Terrible fight. Terrible... no heart, just calculated strategic BS.
This seems like a very odd statement coming from someone on a forum dedicated to a strategy game
JUST WALK THROUGH THEM TANK LINES U PUSSY
I WANNA SEE SOME FUNNELING THROUGH THE CHOKE INSTEAD OF THIS RUNAROUND BULLSHIT
I know, right?! This micro and tactics bullshit has gone on for too long, whatever happened to 1a2a3a?
On April 22 2012 09:28 Terminal wrote: Throwing kicks with that messed up ankle... tough guy.
You know how else he could show he's tough? Walk through some punches and try to get a decent shot in... and you know, finish the f*cking fight... or at least try to finish.
Terrible fight. Terrible... no heart, just calculated strategic BS.
This seems like a very odd statement coming from someone on a forum dedicated to a strategy game
Think of it this way... who do you like more:
1. Players who have awesome Macro OR 2. Players who have awesome Micro
1. dry game and they win (usually) over a prolonged period of time by slowly building up an advantage or 2. exciting game always on a knife edge and the person (usually) wins by a single engagement that wins the game for them
It's a question of whether you like seeing well executed strategy or an exciting on-the-edge micro intensive game. Why do you think Boxer is so popular? It's not his macro....
People enjoy different things.
I enjoy and respect intelligent fighters. You seem to enjoy the swing for the fence and hope type.
On April 22 2012 09:28 Terminal wrote: Throwing kicks with that messed up ankle... tough guy.
You know how else he could show he's tough? Walk through some punches and try to get a decent shot in... and you know, finish the f*cking fight... or at least try to finish.
Terrible fight. Terrible... no heart, just calculated strategic BS.
This seems like a very odd statement coming from someone on a forum dedicated to a strategy game
JUST WALK THROUGH THEM TANK LINES U PUSSY
I WANNA SEE SOME FUNNELING THROUGH THE CHOKE INSTEAD OF THIS RUNAROUND BULLSHIT
I know, right?! This micro and tactics bullshit has gone on for too long, whatever happened to 1a2a3a?
That's not at all an equivalent analogy.
A more equivalent analogy would be MKP vs protoss storms. He's not afraid. He goes in there, Bob's and weaves, marines on red but always ends up cleaning everything up. Other terrans just run back to base or wait for ghosts. NOT MKP. He makes those marines dance!
On April 22 2012 08:48 Dr.Lettuce wrote: My biggest reason for thinking Jones takes this is the change I've seen in Rashads attitude.
A month ago his confidence was in full swing. His energy was through the roof, this was personal and he was quoted as saying things like 'I don't just wanna win, I wanna hurt Jon'. Those sorts of comments are the mental strength that was driving him through this. You could see it in his entire mannerisms, he was full out going to win this.
Recently in the past few weeks, his interviews have toned down a bit. He's reverted to saying much more diplomatic stuff. His answers indirectly state the acceptance that losing is a possibility. He's talking about just enjoying it. Fair enough... many guys go down this route. Rashad used to. But this fight is personal, and we've seen a full swing reversal. I don't think Rashad is all there mentally.
He has changed from wanting to physically murder Jones, to a more... hm I'm not entirely sure how to describe it. His inner fire is no longer there. Sure he got in his face at the staredown but personally, I've always found the way people speak, the emotions, words and conviction say so much more than a mean mug at the weigh ins.
As much as I want Evans to close the distance... pft. He's not. He's not a versatile enough striker, he doesn't throw decent kicks with his left leg at all, just way too one dimensional. His victory over Phil Davis is hardly great, because phil davis isn't that great in all honesty, I don't have him as a future star.
I think Jones will pick him apart with his range, and in all honesty if Rashad ends up on his back, he's done. Poor guard (decent scramble to be fair), tiny limbs, vs fucking dhalism like limbs, and a ruthless top game. God I hope I eat my words though and he pummels Jones.
Did you see the weigh in's?
After he finished his PC speech to Rogan he walked away from the mike, started chest beating and said something along the lines "it's my time I'm going to k*ll this motherf*cker"... even if those aren't the exact words I think that was the sentiment...
I don't think Rashad is at all afraid of Jon Jones and if anyone's going to beat him in the near future, it'll be Rashad. Otherwise, Jon Jones will have to wait for the next wave of LHW's or some of the current LHW's will have to lift their game to the next level. How long this process takes will determine how long Jones will reign as top dog in the division.
Jones has this division on lock for the foreseeable future.
Gustafson? No Davis? No Rashad? No
The past guys don't look like they'll be throwing anything new to the table either.
If Jones beats Shad then I will definitely agree 100%, he will coast to 3 victories and stack dat paper.
On April 22 2012 09:28 Terminal wrote: Throwing kicks with that messed up ankle... tough guy.
You know how else he could show he's tough? Walk through some punches and try to get a decent shot in... and you know, finish the f*cking fight... or at least try to finish.
Terrible fight. Terrible... no heart, just calculated strategic BS.
This seems like a very odd statement coming from someone on a forum dedicated to a strategy game
Think of it this way... who do you like more:
1. Players who have awesome Macro OR 2. Players who have awesome Micro
1. dry game and they win (usually) over a prolonged period of time by slowly building up an advantage or 2. exciting game always on a knife edge and the person (usually) wins by a single engagement that wins the game for them
It's a question of whether you like seeing well executed strategy or an exciting on-the-edge micro intensive game. Why do you think Boxer is so popular? It's not his macro....
First of all, the optimal thing is if you can both, but I'm sure you agree with that.
That's a biased simplification if I've ever seen one, what about if I put it like this:
Would you either want,
1. Amazing game with both players executing their macro/builds/strategy next to perfectly with one person barely edging out a win 2. Boring ass bronze level macro game where both players averaged 5k mineral banked
It's easy to skew perspectives with words, personally I like a balance but I am a lot more bothered by bad mechanics/strategy than by lack of courage in the decision making.
On April 22 2012 09:28 Terminal wrote: Throwing kicks with that messed up ankle... tough guy.
You know how else he could show he's tough? Walk through some punches and try to get a decent shot in... and you know, finish the f*cking fight... or at least try to finish.
Terrible fight. Terrible... no heart, just calculated strategic BS.
This seems like a very odd statement coming from someone on a forum dedicated to a strategy game
Think of it this way... who do you like more:
1. Players who have awesome Macro OR 2. Players who have awesome Micro
1. dry game and they win (usually) over a prolonged period of time by slowly building up an advantage or 2. exciting game always on a knife edge and the person (usually) wins by a single engagement that wins the game for them
It's a question of whether you like seeing well executed strategy or an exciting on-the-edge micro intensive game. Why do you think Boxer is so popular? It's not his macro....
People enjoy different things.
I enjoy and respect intelligent fighters. You seem to enjoy the swing for the fence and hope type.
Yep, I'm from the days of Pride, sorry. I'm used to fighters like Fedor, Shogun, Wanderlei. Fighters who will risk losing to make a fight exciting. In the end, in my opinion, you can only become a legend if you do what you do taking risks.
ANYWAYS, enough of this topic. Lets leave it at that.... great fight going on.
On April 22 2012 09:28 Terminal wrote: Throwing kicks with that messed up ankle... tough guy.
You know how else he could show he's tough? Walk through some punches and try to get a decent shot in... and you know, finish the f*cking fight... or at least try to finish.
Terrible fight. Terrible... no heart, just calculated strategic BS.
This seems like a very odd statement coming from someone on a forum dedicated to a strategy game
JUST WALK THROUGH THEM TANK LINES U PUSSY
I WANNA SEE SOME FUNNELING THROUGH THE CHOKE INSTEAD OF THIS RUNAROUND BULLSHIT
I know, right?! This micro and tactics bullshit has gone on for too long, whatever happened to 1a2a3a?
That's not at all an equivalent analogy.
A more equivalent analogy would be MKP vs protoss storms. He's not afraid. He goes in there, Bob's and weaves, marines on red but always ends up cleaning everything up. Other terrans just run back to base or wait for ghosts. NOT MKP. He makes those marines dance!
You can't seriously claim that the SC analogy for heart in MMA would be micro ability? That falls under mechanics, which would be the analogy for technique.
On April 22 2012 09:28 Terminal wrote: Throwing kicks with that messed up ankle... tough guy.
You know how else he could show he's tough? Walk through some punches and try to get a decent shot in... and you know, finish the f*cking fight... or at least try to finish.
Terrible fight. Terrible... no heart, just calculated strategic BS.
This seems like a very odd statement coming from someone on a forum dedicated to a strategy game
JUST WALK THROUGH THEM TANK LINES U PUSSY
I WANNA SEE SOME FUNNELING THROUGH THE CHOKE INSTEAD OF THIS RUNAROUND BULLSHIT
I know, right?! This micro and tactics bullshit has gone on for too long, whatever happened to 1a2a3a?
That's not at all an equivalent analogy.
A more equivalent analogy would be MKP vs protoss storms. He's not afraid. He goes in there, Bob's and weaves, marines on red but always ends up cleaning everything up. Other terrans just run back to base or wait for ghosts. NOT MKP. He makes those marines dance!
You can't seriously claim that the SC analogy for heart in MMA would be micro ability? That falls under mechanics, which would be the analogy for technique.
I don';t think you're reading what I'm writing. I'm talking about SITUATIONAL RISK TAKING. The only way I can draw that analogy is in a micro battle. Why do you keep picking on the way I'm expressing myself instead of trying to understand what I mean? It is obvious what I like and I don't understand what you;re trying to argue?
You like boring 3 round decisions? GOOD FOR YOU!
I DON'T!
I like fighters who take risks and win or lose make exciting fights. That's it...
On April 22 2012 09:51 _Darwin_ wrote: dude i think makdessi is gunna explode in round 3.
he seems freaking pumped
They're cancelling eachother out. Both too good on the feet. The best thing that could happen is if someone just explodes and swings a few haymakers. I hope one of them catches...
On April 22 2012 09:56 _Darwin_ wrote: i really dislike it when the crowd boos.
Haven't they been booing the entire night so far? Hard to hear on low quality stream, but feels like I've been hearing boos all throughout the fights so far. Not any massive boos, just quiet constant ones
On April 22 2012 09:56 _Darwin_ wrote: i really dislike it when the crowd boos.
They paid money to see blood, you haven't.
Like Robin Williams said "You think people go to NASCAR races to see cars take left turns all day?"
Not trollin'. Just sayin'.
I don;t know man... everyone is too high level these days for anyone to make mistakes.... it's so hard to finish these days. But, you'd be a fool if you didn;t acknowledge the fact that most of the public wants to see finishes... not technically sound fights....
On April 22 2012 09:56 _Darwin_ wrote: i really dislike it when the crowd boos.
Haven't they been booing the entire night so far? Hard to hear on low quality stream, but feels like I've been hearing boos all throughout the fights so far. Not any massive boos, just quiet constant ones
I just started watching the previous fight. Didn't see the split decision fest earlier.
On April 22 2012 09:56 _Darwin_ wrote: i really dislike it when the crowd boos.
They paid money to see blood, you haven't.
Like Robin Williams said "You think people go to NASCAR races to see cars take left turns all day?"
Not trollin'. Just sayin'.
If they have then they're dumb, there's plenty of backyard fights on the internet with blood a plenty
Kimbo??? Need I say more?
He was a huge black guy with a beard that came from the ''streets'', he was a marketing tool that the UFC exploited to the max, how is he somehow an argument for/against the just bleed crowd being the primary demographic of the UFC?
My stream died with like 2 mins left in the round. Wtf did i miss?? Brown was eating punches and kicks. I get stream back and he's on the fucking ground beating the shit outta Thompson.
On April 22 2012 10:30 MaZza[KIS] wrote: good fight.. why? technically, not all that great.
but wait, there was blood... CHECK!
lol, just sayin, not trollin'.
I enjoyed this fight more than the last two.
Good fight because it was a good fight. Not just because of blood. Blood being a requirement of being a good fight is just ignorant. There's plenty of great fights without blood =)
I keep underestimating Matt Brown and auto-betting against him cause when I watched him awhile back he looked like he had so many holes in his game that an average fighter could easily beat him with the right game plan. I think I underrated him too much.
On April 22 2012 11:06 floor exercise wrote: I don't know what kind of trickery Travis pulled by had he fought fairly and with honor Chad Griggs would have clearly been the victor
On April 22 2012 10:27 _Darwin_ wrote: matt brown couldn't even finish him
What more did you want to see in that fight?
Still was pretty good. ;o
Meh. such a mismatch on the ground.
it was just wonderboy laying on the floor getting elbowed for 3 minutes...not that great imo
they are both blue belts lol
Belts can be extremely misleading
Yeah seriously.. these guys could easily humiliate the black belts at your local BJJ gym or whatever
It only means their forms are horrible and they always gas out. To not get a black belt in US actually says a lot.
lol thompson wouldnt clown any black belts, or purple belts that train no gi, in no gi jiujitsu. matt brown, if the poster in this thread is correct, has been grappling for 7 years. he pretty much is a black belt.
edit: also bocek is one of the "black belts at" one of my "local BJJ gym or whatever". and no brown wouldn't humiliate him
On April 22 2012 11:06 floor exercise wrote: I don't know what kind of trickery Travis pulled by had he fought fairly and with honor Chad Griggs would have clearly been the victor
On April 22 2012 10:27 _Darwin_ wrote: matt brown couldn't even finish him
What more did you want to see in that fight?
Still was pretty good. ;o
Meh. such a mismatch on the ground.
it was just wonderboy laying on the floor getting elbowed for 3 minutes...not that great imo
they are both blue belts lol
Belts can be extremely misleading
Yeah seriously.. these guys could easily humiliate the black belts at your local BJJ gym or whatever
It only means their forms are horrible and they always gas out. To not get a black belt in US actually says a lot.
lol thompson wouldnt clown any black belts, or purple belts that train no gi, in no gi jiujitsu. matt brown, if the poster in this thread is correct, has been grappling for 7 years. he pretty much is a black belt.
edit: also bocek is one of the "black belts at" one of my "local BJJ gym". and no brown wouldn't humiliate him
Matt Brown is a wily veteran who can take a punch. His grappling and submissions are good, but to say he's been doing this for a long time thus is a black belt is a joke. There is many things you have to look at. One of the most important being where he trains.
That's the reality. I have guys who show up at my gym all the time claiming they're black belts when in reality they aren't even close. You have to re-teach them and the years really don't matter at all in most cases.
On April 22 2012 11:06 floor exercise wrote: I don't know what kind of trickery Travis pulled by had he fought fairly and with honor Chad Griggs would have clearly been the victor
haha agreed
I don't know what you two are growning about if we look at Travis' other fights. He's pretty darn good. ._.
On April 22 2012 10:27 _Darwin_ wrote: matt brown couldn't even finish him
What more did you want to see in that fight?
Still was pretty good. ;o
Meh. such a mismatch on the ground.
it was just wonderboy laying on the floor getting elbowed for 3 minutes...not that great imo
they are both blue belts lol
Belts can be extremely misleading
Yeah seriously.. these guys could easily humiliate the black belts at your local BJJ gym or whatever
It only means their forms are horrible and they always gas out. To not get a black belt in US actually says a lot.
lol thompson wouldnt clown any black belts, or purple belts that train no gi, in no gi jiujitsu. matt brown, if the poster in this thread is correct, has been grappling for 7 years. he pretty much is a black belt.
edit: also bocek is one of the "black belts at" one of my "local BJJ gym". and no brown wouldn't humiliate him
Matt Brown is a wily veteran who can take a punch. His grappling and submissions are good, but to say he's been doing this for a long time thus is a black belt is a joke and you also have to consider which school they're attempting to earn it in as well.
It really comes down to the school. That's the reality. I have guys who show up at my gym all the time claiming they're black belts when in reality they aren't even close. You have to re-teach them and the years really don't matter at all in most cases.
Jorge Gurgel and Mario miranda, are both people he has trained under. So i may not be 100% sure he is at black belt level, but I probably have good odds ^ ^.
On April 22 2012 11:06 floor exercise wrote: I don't know what kind of trickery Travis pulled by had he fought fairly and with honor Chad Griggs would have clearly been the victor
haha agreed
I don't know what you two are growning about if we look at Travis' other fights. He's pretty darn good. ._.
yeah he is good. but i was rooting for griggs. griggs fan favorite because he is always the underdog but manages to win
On April 22 2012 10:27 _Darwin_ wrote: matt brown couldn't even finish him
What more did you want to see in that fight?
Still was pretty good. ;o
Meh. such a mismatch on the ground.
it was just wonderboy laying on the floor getting elbowed for 3 minutes...not that great imo
they are both blue belts lol
Belts can be extremely misleading
Yeah seriously.. these guys could easily humiliate the black belts at your local BJJ gym or whatever
It only means their forms are horrible and they always gas out. To not get a black belt in US actually says a lot.
lol thompson wouldnt clown any black belts, or purple belts that train no gi, in no gi jiujitsu. matt brown, if the poster in this thread is correct, has been grappling for 7 years. he pretty much is a black belt.
edit: also bocek is one of the "black belts at" one of my "local BJJ gym". and no brown wouldn't humiliate him
Matt Brown is a wily veteran who can take a punch. His grappling and submissions are good, but to say he's been doing this for a long time thus is a black belt is a joke and you also have to consider which school they're attempting to earn it in as well.
It really comes down to the school. That's the reality. I have guys who show up at my gym all the time claiming they're black belts when in reality they aren't even close. You have to re-teach them and the years really don't matter at all in most cases.
Jorge Gurgel and Mario miranda, are both people he has trained under. So i may not be 100% sure he is at black belt level, but I probably have good odds ^ ^.
Doesn't that say a lot about his trainers though?
I mean fuck, I know guys who cannot even make it passed a few belt levels.
They should stop mentioning chuck lidell, reminds me those days when i switched the channel upon seeing it was ufc. That organization really went a long way esp given the lvl of top fighters.
On April 22 2012 11:40 ecstatica wrote: They should stop mentioning chuck lidell, reminds me those days when i switched the channel upon seeing it was ufc. That organization really went a long way esp given the lvl of top fighters.
The sport has progressed a long way like it should have, Chuck was a great fighter in his day despite what you think when you look back at the talent and level of fighters. Nothing wrong with recognizing it.
On April 22 2012 12:01 jnsjr wrote: Wow. That was a bit surprising. Great win for McDonald.
Didnt even look close since hunched guy took his first swing... This is precisely the difference between old garbage ufc fighters and younger kids who can actually throw decent looking punches
rofl...i bet people say Rory McDonald is "confident" (he said "im 22 now and by the time im 24 i will be the world champ")....but then will turn around and say Jon Jones is cocky. rofl.
Is Nazgul here? Hi Nazgul, who are you betting on Jones vs. Evans?
Sorry guys wasn't able to update the OP anymore, I've been busy and just updating through iPad in a bar with friends. I hope I don't pass out before the main event lol!
GSP looking really excited for the main event! I almost wish Rory called out GSP after the fight and then was like j/k /j/k, just channeling my inner Jon.
On April 22 2012 12:45 Slow Motion wrote: GSP looking really excited for the main event! I almost wish Rory called out GSP after the fight and then was like j/k /j/k, just channeling my inner Jon.
Yeah, I couldnt hear what he said... I lolled because i first heard "Now hurry up, lets go watch the jones fight."
On April 22 2012 12:45 Terminal wrote: Rory would have no issues fighting the guy just cornering him then?
I see another potential Jon Jones/Rashad storyline
Rory vs. GSP would be awesome.
Rory said explicitly in an interview that he would never fight GSP and that he's willing to wait for GSP to leave the welterweight title. Thinking about their respective ages I believe that's a viable plan for Rory too.
On April 22 2012 12:45 Terminal wrote: Rory would have no issues fighting the guy just cornering him then?
I see another potential Jon Jones/Rashad storyline
Rory vs. GSP would be awesome.
Rory said explicitly in an interview that he would never fight GSP and that he's willing to wait for GSP to leave the welterweight title. Thinking about their respective ages I believe that's a viable plan for Rory too.
Just like Jon Jones/Rashad were never going to fight each other. But yeah, more unlikely I guess
I don;t know how it is viewed really by the many people, but the bar is literally an anti Jones group, all 1000 here lol. CAn we have an informal poll on this?
Pulling for rashad, slightly predicting rashad, but got nothing against bones, he's not fake he's awesome. But Shad is my favourite UFC fighter , people say he has no class but I disagree, I think he has loads of class, as a fighter and also as a pundit in the fight game, he's also really friendly and respectful (had a 2 minute chat with him + asked him 2 questions in the conference he was really helpful and gracious he also signed my Rashad action figure). He also does the sickest Tyson impression.
Man, Jones is just so fucking versatile... If he is losing in one area, he just switched to another. His range of attacks is so good when teamed up with his perfect body build for the sport.
This is over. Jones us ruining this division for me. Next generation fighter with no competition basically. Machida took it to him striking wise, but the moment Jones figured he could just grab onto him it instantly shifted into domination.
Rashad has no weapons that can reach home against such a huge and long opponent. Better hope for a lucky shot.
The only fighter I would be even remotely interested in seeing Jones fight after this is Gustafsson, preferably after Gustafsson has gotten 2-4 more fights under his belt
On April 22 2012 13:35 floor exercise wrote: Boring fight to cap off a completely awful card
It might have been boring to you, but it lived up to everything I thought it would be. The undercard had good matchups like usual, but lots of people tend to overlook it. - -
It's the same with Rampage. They all know that they need to pressure Jon Jones but it's so hard for them to get inside the reach, and when they do they get clinched and elbowed. No chance and overwhelming control.
On April 22 2012 13:32 Blondinbengt wrote: The only fighter I would be even remotely interested in seeing Jones fight after this is Gustafsson, preferably after Gustafsson has gotten 2-4 more fights under his belt
No. Gustaffson will die. Jones needs to go to Heavyweight Division where he truly belongs. Really lol reach. I mean hand fight to... elbow?
Well, after finally watching this fight, I feel confident about my past and current opinion that Machida is really the only guy who can really fight on somewhat equal terms as Jones. No one has an advantage in striking or grappling against Jones, But I think Machida can still out-Strike him on a good day. For this division, that's the only fight I really want to see in the future, unless Anderson Silva is going to give it a shot.
On April 22 2012 13:32 Blondinbengt wrote: The only fighter I would be even remotely interested in seeing Jones fight after this is Gustafsson, preferably after Gustafsson has gotten 2-4 more fights under his belt
No. Gustaffson will die. Jones needs to go to Heavyweight Division where he truly belongs. Really lol reach. I mean hand fight to... elbow?
Jones vs. Cain.
You do realise that he would the same reach advantage on most the HW division aswell, right?
And about Gustafsson, it's not about him having a higher chance of winning really, I'm speaking purely about styles
On April 22 2012 13:32 Blondinbengt wrote: The only fighter I would be even remotely interested in seeing Jones fight after this is Gustafsson, preferably after Gustafsson has gotten 2-4 more fights under his belt
No. Gustaffson will die. Jones needs to go to Heavyweight Division where he truly belongs. Really lol reach. I mean hand fight to... elbow?
Jones vs. Cain.
You do realise that he would the same reach advantage on most the HW division aswell, right?
And about Gustafsson, it's not about him having a higher chance of winning really, I'm speaking purely about styles
That and who else would you match him up against other than Cain at Heavy Weight?
On April 22 2012 13:32 Blondinbengt wrote: The only fighter I would be even remotely interested in seeing Jones fight after this is Gustafsson, preferably after Gustafsson has gotten 2-4 more fights under his belt
No. Gustaffson will die. Jones needs to go to Heavyweight Division where he truly belongs. Really lol reach. I mean hand fight to... elbow?
Jones vs. Cain.
You do realise that he would the same reach advantage on most the HW division aswell, right?
And about Gustafsson, it's not about him having a higher chance of winning really, I'm speaking purely about styles
That and who else would you match him up against other than Cain at Heavy Weight?
The thing about Jones that's sad to me is that because he hasn't been properly challenged yet, we could very well not have seen just how good he is/can become, I just want a fighter that won't fall into the same trap that EVERY single other fighter Jones has fought so far has done
On April 22 2012 13:32 Blondinbengt wrote: The only fighter I would be even remotely interested in seeing Jones fight after this is Gustafsson, preferably after Gustafsson has gotten 2-4 more fights under his belt
No. Gustaffson will die. Jones needs to go to Heavyweight Division where he truly belongs. Really lol reach. I mean hand fight to... elbow?
Jones vs. Cain.
You do realise that he would the same reach advantage on most the HW division aswell, right?
And about Gustafsson, it's not about him having a higher chance of winning really, I'm speaking purely about styles
That and who else would you match him up against other than Cain at Heavy Weight?
The thing about Jones that's sad to me is that because he hasn't been properly challenged yet, we could very well not have seen just how good he is/can become, I just want a fighter that won't fall into the same trap that EVERY single other fighter Jones has fought so far has done
Yeah I think Gustafsson would be fun. He moves really well and if he could avoid the takedowns of Jones it would be a good standup fight.
anyone left for jones at lhw? dunno. gustaff is being tossed around, but it would be a shit fight b/c everything gust does jones does better. id love anderson silva vs jones. after the chael fight its a possibility. but i feel like jones would throw silva around. i would like to see lyoto vs jones agains, but that's about it.
also, if couture came out of retirement i'd love to see that.
i wouldn't mind seeing vitor go up and face him as well.
oh well, dan henderson if you can beat jones i'll lose my fucking mind. but i don't thin,k you can.
On April 22 2012 13:32 Blondinbengt wrote: The only fighter I would be even remotely interested in seeing Jones fight after this is Gustafsson, preferably after Gustafsson has gotten 2-4 more fights under his belt
No. Gustaffson will die. Jones needs to go to Heavyweight Division where he truly belongs. Really lol reach. I mean hand fight to... elbow?
Jones vs. Cain.
You do realise that he would the same reach advantage on most the HW division aswell, right?
And about Gustafsson, it's not about him having a higher chance of winning really, I'm speaking purely about styles
That and who else would you match him up against other than Cain at Heavy Weight?
The thing about Jones that's sad to me is that because he hasn't been properly challenged yet, we could very well not have seen just how good he is/can become, I just want a fighter that won't fall into the same trap that EVERY single other fighter Jones has fought so far has done
Yeah I think Gustafsson would be fun. He moves really well and if he could avoid the takedowns of Jones it would be a good standup fight.
What I like about a potential Gustafsson/Jones matchup is that if we assume that Gustafsson wouldn't get violated by takedowns (which is a big if), I think he might be one of the few (only?) fighters who fights in a way that won't get him trapped against the cage for 80% of the fight, which happens in pretty much all of Jones fights
Haha I was rooting for Suga. My wife was a Jon Jones fan until she saw how cocky Jon Jones can really get during a fight. I like Jon Jones but I hate watching him win so easily every single fight. Please Dana White make Jones move up to Heavyweight FFS!!!
On April 22 2012 13:52 Silentness wrote: Haha I was rooting for Suga. My wife was a Jon Jones fan until she saw how cocky Jon Jones can really get during a fight. I like Jon Jones but I hate watching him win so easily every single fight. Please Dana White make Jones move up to Heavyweight FFS!!!
wait you rooted for Rashad cause Jon Jones get cocky during a fight? Do you know who he learned that from? Rashad. Didnt you see Rashad being cocky as fuck during the fight tonight after getting hit?
On April 22 2012 13:52 Silentness wrote: Haha I was rooting for Suga. My wife was a Jon Jones fan until she saw how cocky Jon Jones can really get during a fight. I like Jon Jones but I hate watching him win so easily every single fight. Please Dana White make Jones move up to Heavyweight FFS!!!
wait you rooted for Rashad cause Jon Jones get cocky during a fight? Do you know who he learned that from? Rashad. Didnt you see Rashad being cocky as fuck during the fight tonight after getting hit?
I wanted Rashad to win mainly because fighting against Jones is like dealing with cheat codes. Seriously watch Dhalsim vs any Street Fighter character and you will see how annoying it is trying to get inside of his reach advantage.
On April 22 2012 13:52 Silentness wrote: Haha I was rooting for Suga. My wife was a Jon Jones fan until she saw how cocky Jon Jones can really get during a fight. I like Jon Jones but I hate watching him win so easily every single fight. Please Dana White make Jones move up to Heavyweight FFS!!!
I don't know why people keep calling out JJ for being so cocky when Suga was in the same boat as him when he started.
Seriously, they are very similar in their personalities.
On April 22 2012 13:52 Silentness wrote: Haha I was rooting for Suga. My wife was a Jon Jones fan until she saw how cocky Jon Jones can really get during a fight. I like Jon Jones but I hate watching him win so easily every single fight. Please Dana White make Jones move up to Heavyweight FFS!!!
wait you rooted for Rashad cause Jon Jones get cocky during a fight? Do you know who he learned that from? Rashad. Didnt you see Rashad being cocky as fuck during the fight tonight after getting hit?
I wanted Rashad to win mainly because fighting against Jones is like dealing with cheat codes. Seriously watch Dhalsim vs any Street Fighter character and you will see how annoying it is trying to get inside of his reach advantage.
Look at the other fighters with big frames man.
If they can cut the weight and produce there is no reason why they shouldn't.
On April 22 2012 15:28 InFdude wrote: Other LHs have had huge win streaks at first too (tho not against such opponents) so Jones will fall like the rest eventually. I actually think Stephan Bonnar did pretty good vs Jones (alot better than say.. Machida or Rampage) and then he was at a time when he was just reentering the UFC. And he got the size so I think that if he shapes up he might have a good chance to take out Jones.
Other LHW fighters fought in an era where the game changed much more rapidly, other LHW fighters didn't fight the same level of competition Jones has fought, other LHW fighters weren't 24 years old when they did all of this. Anyone can lose, eventually, but this has not been seen before. The idea that Bonnar would stand a chance against Jones is absolutely absurd, you should really educate yourself first before posting.
On April 22 2012 21:21 Weeds wrote: Jones vs Hendo next ! Main event was so boring, Evans didn't followed his game plan and just traded, could have been a nice fight (
This fight really would not have gone any better if he fought differently. When fighters say "I didn't follow the gameplan" you really have to look at the fight and that excuse critically. This is not a Melvin Guillard who goes for a takedown instead of standing up. Rashad's plan was to stand up and you quickly find out what you can and cannot do against a guy like Jones.
That reach and confidence in his ability (and ofc a strong ability) seems extremely strong. Totally want to see him against Anderson Silva.
If he would face Hendo and get ko'd that would be an amazing moment for me but I can't really imagine it happening. Then again I couldn't imagine Machida losing either until he did.
Haters gonna continue hating Jon Jones.....I love his dominance. I love the way he makes people cry about his physical gifts. I love the way people continue to wish for him to lose, but he then he wins and feeds on nerd tears. He wrecks everyone at at LHW and people bitch that he should move up to heavyweight. rofl. All their complaining sounds like it's straight from the short story Harrison Bergeron. Let's ban fast people from running track or people with prodigious leaping ability from playing basketball. While we are at it, let's completely level the playing field for college entrance.....smart people should be banned or handicapped during the college application process. Oh and he is too "cocky".
On April 22 2012 13:52 Silentness wrote: Haha I was rooting for Suga. My wife was a Jon Jones fan until she saw how cocky Jon Jones can really get during a fight. I like Jon Jones but I hate watching him win so easily every single fight. Please Dana White make Jones move up to Heavyweight FFS!!!
wait you rooted for Rashad cause Jon Jones get cocky during a fight? Do you know who he learned that from? Rashad. Didnt you see Rashad being cocky as fuck during the fight tonight after getting hit?
Yeah it always kills me when people say Jones is too cocky for a fight, especially this time when they would decide to cheer for a guy who dances in the octagon during fights over jones.
On April 22 2012 13:52 Silentness wrote: Haha I was rooting for Suga. My wife was a Jon Jones fan until she saw how cocky Jon Jones can really get during a fight. I like Jon Jones but I hate watching him win so easily every single fight. Please Dana White make Jones move up to Heavyweight FFS!!!
wait you rooted for Rashad cause Jon Jones get cocky during a fight? Do you know who he learned that from? Rashad. Didnt you see Rashad being cocky as fuck during the fight tonight after getting hit?
Yeah it always kills me when people say Jones is too cocky for a fight, especially this time when they would decide to cheer for a guy who dances in the octagon during fights over jones.
As if there is some approved amount of "cockiness" that Jones is exceeding...news flash: Fighting in an octagon in front of millions of people is not normal human behavior. Normal humans don't want to risk embarrassment in front of so many people. Stepping inside the octagon requires confidence to the point of extreme arrogance. If you make a statement like "that guy is too cocky" all you are doing is showing the fact that you could never possibly succeed in the octagon because you lack the mental makeup.
Awesome awesome card, shame Rashad lost but we could kinda see it comming. Rashad got of some decent hits but the versatility of Jones and his physical form I think will pose huge problems for everyone who's going to face him, I could possibly see Gustafson have a chance but apart from that I don't see Jones dethroned anytime soon.
On April 22 2012 15:28 InFdude wrote: Other LHs have had huge win streaks at first too (tho not against such opponents) so Jones will fall like the rest eventually. I actually think Stephan Bonnar did pretty good vs Jones (alot better than say.. Machida or Rampage) and then he was at a time when he was just reentering the UFC. And he got the size so I think that if he shapes up he might have a good chance to take out Jones.
Other LHW fighters fought in an era where the game changed much more rapidly, other LHW fighters didn't fight the same level of competition Jones has fought, other LHW fighters weren't 24 years old when they did all of this. Anyone can lose, eventually, but this has not been seen before. The idea that Bonnar would stand a chance against Jones is absolutely absurd, you should really educate yourself first before posting.
On April 22 2012 21:21 Weeds wrote: Jones vs Hendo next ! Main event was so boring, Evans didn't followed his game plan and just traded, could have been a nice fight (
This fight really would not have gone any better if he fought differently. When fighters say "I didn't follow the gameplan" you really have to look at the fight and that excuse critically. This is not a Melvin Guillard who goes for a takedown instead of standing up. Rashad's plan was to stand up and you quickly find out what you can and cannot do against a guy like Jones.
Indeed, it's one of the biggest cop-out's in all of MMA.
Lol Rashad holding his own. Very dissapointed in that fight, good job the rest of the fights were pretty good. Mcdonald fight wooah!! He is something special! If Rothwell can keep his physic for his next bouts he can become a contender, but i think he was pretty close to going down himself after that spinning punch/elbow forget which it was but i thought he was extremely close to going down himself, then just caught a clean hook on the temple and it was over.
On April 23 2012 01:15 mememolly wrote: boring fight, MMA feels like it is going downhill
On April 23 2012 01:42 Dizmaul wrote: Amazing fight, MMA is really taking it to the next level.
I enjoy reading these posts back to back. I'll be honest, the fact Bones is so unstoppable makes MMA boring to me... even if Shad gave him a good fight. I mean, did anyone really think Rashad was gona win lol.
when the KO first happened, I wasn't quite sure if it was an early stoppage because Shaub recovered pretty fast after the ref stopped it, but it was definitely a good call by the ref
when the KO first happened, I wasn't quite sure if it was an early stoppage because Shaub recovered pretty fast after the ref stopped it, but it was definitely a good call by the ref
On April 23 2012 01:42 Dizmaul wrote: Amazing fight, MMA is really taking it to the next level.
I enjoy reading these posts back to back. I'll be honest, the fact Bones is so unstoppable makes MMA boring to me... even if Shad gave him a good fight. I mean, did anyone really think Rashad was gona win lol.
Yeah I hate watching football as well because Barca are a good team. It makes all other games in other leagues completely boring.
I'm really eager to hear the conversation Greg Jackson, Rashad and Winklejohn had after. Greg looked fucking awkward.
On April 22 2012 23:24 xjoehammerx wrote: Haters gonna continue hating Jon Jones.....I love his dominance. I love the way he makes people cry about his physical gifts. I love the way people continue to wish for him to lose, but he then he wins and feeds on nerd tears. He wrecks everyone at at LHW and people bitch that he should move up to heavyweight. rofl. All their complaining sounds like it's straight from the short story Harrison Bergeron. Let's ban fast people from running track or people with prodigious leaping ability from playing basketball. While we are at it, let's completely level the playing field for college entrance.....smart people should be banned or handicapped during the college application process. Oh and he is too "cocky".
thank you for this post. Jon Jones haters secretly just want to go down on him.
On April 22 2012 23:24 xjoehammerx wrote: Haters gonna continue hating Jon Jones.....I love his dominance. I love the way he makes people cry about his physical gifts. I love the way people continue to wish for him to lose, but he then he wins and feeds on nerd tears. He wrecks everyone at at LHW and people bitch that he should move up to heavyweight. rofl. All their complaining sounds like it's straight from the short story Harrison Bergeron. Let's ban fast people from running track or people with prodigious leaping ability from playing basketball. While we are at it, let's completely level the playing field for college entrance.....smart people should be banned or handicapped during the college application process. Oh and he is too "cocky".
thank you for this post. Jon Jones haters secretly just want to go down on him.
hey, there are some reasons to hate!
right now jon jones is a freak athlete. but it's not like he's shown any great skill at martial arts. he hasn't dominated anyone by wrestling (unless you consider stuffing takedowns that have to be telegraphed b/c of his length dominating wrestling), he hasn't shown good boxing, he hasn't shown great BJJ (tho tbf he's hasn't had the opps)
What have we seen from him? Single strikes from range. No great combos, no great counters, just sits at range and strikes. Yeah he's a great athlete. But unless he actually improves his his MA (instead of just capitalizing on his physical gifts), he's not going to end up a Michael Jordan. He'll end up a Steve Francis.
but i hate him, maybe i'm just trying to knock him.
On April 22 2012 23:24 xjoehammerx wrote: Haters gonna continue hating Jon Jones.....I love his dominance. I love the way he makes people cry about his physical gifts. I love the way people continue to wish for him to lose, but he then he wins and feeds on nerd tears. He wrecks everyone at at LHW and people bitch that he should move up to heavyweight. rofl. All their complaining sounds like it's straight from the short story Harrison Bergeron. Let's ban fast people from running track or people with prodigious leaping ability from playing basketball. While we are at it, let's completely level the playing field for college entrance.....smart people should be banned or handicapped during the college application process. Oh and he is too "cocky".
thank you for this post. Jon Jones haters secretly just want to go down on him.
hey, there are some reasons to hate!
right now jon jones is a freak athlete. but it's not like he's shown any great skill at martial arts. he hasn't dominated anyone by wrestling (unless you consider stuffing takedowns that have to be telegraphed b/c of his length dominating wrestling), he hasn't shown good boxing, he hasn't shown great BJJ (tho tbf he's hasn't had the opps)
What have we seen from him? Single strikes from range. No great combos, no great counters, just sits at range and strikes. Yeah he's a great athlete. But unless he actually improves his his MA (instead of just capitalizing on his physical gifts), he's not going to end up a Michael Jordan. He'll end up a Steve Francis.
but i hate him, maybe i'm just trying to knock him.
It's been awhile so I don't remember the fights exactly, but I thought he dominated Bader, Matyushenko, Vera, and Hamill with his wrestling (didn't watch the fights before those).
On April 22 2012 23:24 xjoehammerx wrote: Haters gonna continue hating Jon Jones.....I love his dominance. I love the way he makes people cry about his physical gifts. I love the way people continue to wish for him to lose, but he then he wins and feeds on nerd tears. He wrecks everyone at at LHW and people bitch that he should move up to heavyweight. rofl. All their complaining sounds like it's straight from the short story Harrison Bergeron. Let's ban fast people from running track or people with prodigious leaping ability from playing basketball. While we are at it, let's completely level the playing field for college entrance.....smart people should be banned or handicapped during the college application process. Oh and he is too "cocky".
thank you for this post. Jon Jones haters secretly just want to go down on him.
hey, there are some reasons to hate!
right now jon jones is a freak athlete. but it's not like he's shown any great skill at martial arts. he hasn't dominated anyone by wrestling (unless you consider stuffing takedowns that have to be telegraphed b/c of his length dominating wrestling), he hasn't shown good boxing, he hasn't shown great BJJ (tho tbf he's hasn't had the opps)
What have we seen from him? Single strikes from range. No great combos, no great counters, just sits at range and strikes. Yeah he's a great athlete. But unless he actually improves his his MA (instead of just capitalizing on his physical gifts), he's not going to end up a Michael Jordan. He'll end up a Steve Francis.
but i hate him, maybe i'm just trying to knock him.
ummm.....what are you talking about dude? He submitted Machida with a standing guillotine choke and tookdown/supplexed Bader, Hammill, Bonner, Rampage, and Rua at will. In fact, if you knew anything about MMA at all you would know that when Jon Jones entered the UFC he was known for his excellent wrestling, takedowns, and unconventional striking. He has improved vastly since he first started fighting in the UFC...lol at the way you try and "re-imagine" history to rationalize your hate/fear of Jon Jones. Your fear is grounded in the irrational....I wonder why Jones really makes you uncomfortable?
Also you seem to be implying that Jones' athleticism is the reason for his mma success. Is that really what you think? You think he has been able to beat the best fighters in the world by "out-athleting" them? He has worked incredibly hard to become the best fighter in the world at 205; people would do well to remember that. Other extremely athletic fighters (Melvin Guillard, Brock Lesnar) have not been able to enjoy consistent success in the UFC. There have been many freakish fast, strong, big/lengthy fighters in the UFC....but how many of them became the champ?
lol Hendo is too old man, however hope he can put up a good fight. Last fight vs Rua was fucking amazing, like one of the best fight ever in the history.
lol Hendo is too old man, however hope he can put up a good fight. Last fight vs Rua was fucking amazing, like one of the best fight ever in the history.
It's true Jon's pretty good, but he's no Anderson Silva
lol Hendo is too old man, however hope he can put up a good fight. Last fight vs Rua was fucking amazing, like one of the best fight ever in the history.
It's true Jon's pretty good, but he's no Anderson Silva
While he isn't Anderson Silva at all in the striking department, I think the fact that he has top tier wrestling could potentially make him much harder to beat than Anderson in the long run.
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