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elsation
Australia661 Posts
On April 22 2012 23:15 mijagi182 wrote: for an F1 fan - definately  for a certain driver/team fanboy - no necessityEnded up watching based on this. Was not disappointed, thanks | ||
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
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sunnata
Russian Federation228 Posts
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
1. Vettel (Red Bull) - 194.407 km/h .. 8. Hamilton (McLaren) - 192.420 km/h .. 16. Petrov (Caterham) - 190.332 km/h .. 19. Glock (Marussia) - 186.002 km/h 20. de la Rosa (HRT) - 185.019 km/h I hope Caterham can score a P14 at some point in the season, otherwise all the TV money for the P10 team would go to a team which doesn't know what it's doing :[ | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1108 Posts
But yeah, as a Lewis fan McLaren again destoryed there own race, though no one saw Lotus having such epic pace... dissapointing race results but its good that Alonso is still in the hunt, that should help keep the title fight more interesting but McLaren really need to get there shit together and REALLY work on getting the most out of there package. But overall a pretty shameful display from FOM and the FIA, race shouldn't have happened, FOM shouldn't have acted so childshly towards Force India in Quali and the DRS Zone being on the main straight was pointless, whats the point in making an already good over-taking place, better... isn't the point of DRS to increase the number of over-takes? | ||
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50bani
Romania480 Posts
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baldgye
United Kingdom1108 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
Anyways, very good race, a bit sad we didn't get to see Raikkönen against Vettel in the end, wanted to see at least 3 good laps wheel to wheel racing between those in the end. How did he force him offtrack? He wasn't even close to be NEXT to him, he was clearly behind and chose to use his pass to take over OFF track, but he could have stepped back. It was his own fault, if anyones. Also there was no 'mad' driving or anything against the rules from Rosberg. He switched lines 1 time and went back to ideal-line after that. But I see lots of experts here, knowing better than experts in the ruling... To make it clear: I'm no Rosberg fan just because I'm from Germany. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Apparently Hamilton's throttle was stuck open and his brakes didn't work, because he HAD to go off the track and around Rosberg (against the rules, I should add, since you are not allowed to go off the track with all four wheels, which he did, and he got an advantage as he gained a place). Rosberg was ahead of Hamilton when he made the move. The rule with regard to leaving space after a defensive move is as follows: Article 20.3: "More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any driver moving back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off‐line, should leave at least one car width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner." Now, Rosberg, WHILE AHEAD, moved towards the right of the track (from his POV). This happened while he was AHEAD of Hamilton. His movement was trailed by Hamilton. Normally in such a situation, the driver behind would then either back out, or switch to the other (left) side of the track. What the rule prohibits is Rosberg then ALSO moving back left across the track, and forcing Hamilton off the track ON THE LEFT. If Rosberg moves back left, he must leave a cars width for the driver behind, so that the driver behind doesn't have to go off the track or change direction again. Hamilton DECIDED he would keep going to the right, in the same direction as Rosberg. Rosberg was much slower than Hamilton, so Hamilton was able to overtake him by going FULLY OFF THE TRACK and using the speed difference to get past. What Hamilton could have done is switch to the left of the track, in which case Rosberg would have been REQUIRED to leave him space, and if Rosberg had not left him space, Rosberg would have been penalised. IF Hamilton had been ALONGSIDE Rosberg when Rosberg made his move to the right, and been force off by Rosberg while being alongside, Rosberg could also have been penalised. Because Hamilton was fully behind Rosberg, Rosberg's move didn't force Hamilton off the track, Hamilton chose to drive off the track in order to get past, rather than changing direction and switching to the left. So in the Hamilton/Rosberg incident, there is nothing which Rosberg did which could lead to him being penalised. The only thing which could be penalised in the overtake is Hamilton for going fully off the track and gaining an advantage. Hamilton was lucky to get away with what he did, both in the race (as he could have crashed out) and after the race (as he should have been penalised). | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
With this, the camera angle isn't ideal, so it's more plausible that Rosberg should have been punished, as Alonso was maybe slightly alongside when Rosberg made his move, but the stewards decided he was not alongside or alongside enough to have been forced off the track. You may also notice that when Rosberg gets to the corner, he leaves (just) a car width to his left as he comes to the corner, as required by the rules. | ||
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Wurstbrot
Germany89 Posts
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Mondieu
Romania803 Posts
To the above poster : How is Alonso the best driver in the world with such a bad car, if his teammate is like 2 places behind him ? I don't get the logic behind that. Is his teammate ( Massa) the second best? | ||
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Wurstbrot
Germany89 Posts
To the above poster : How is Alonso the best driver in the world with such a bad car, if his teammate is like 2 places behind him ? Was this the first formula 1 race you watched lol? | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
Fingerboy wins it again. | ||
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mijagi182
Poland797 Posts
On April 23 2012 03:13 Lonyo wrote: People just don't understand the rules many of them don't even know the rules... On April 23 2012 03:13 Lonyo wrote: 90% of people are complete idiots. you sound like a mental kid there, anyway this video is for you. Guess what, Schumacher was penalised for dangerous driving. If there was a wall at the turn at Bahrain, Nico would get one (penatly) too probably. Or maybe not, f1 marshals are pretty inconsistant at times, even though rules stay same. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On April 23 2012 07:26 mijagi182 wrote: many of them don't even know the rules... you sound like a mental kid there, anyway this video is for you. + Show Spoiler + Guess what, Schumacher was penalised for dangerous driving. If there was a wall at the turn at Bahrain, Nico would get one (penatly) too probably. Or maybe not, f1 marshals are pretty inconsistant at times, even though rules stay same. Except the rules related to making moves to defend your position changed since then. So the rules don't stay the same. | ||
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Kiwiandapple
Belgium240 Posts
On April 23 2012 03:46 Wurstbrot wrote: Was this the first formula 1 race you watched lol? Alonso is a great driver - a horrible person; but wouldn't call him the best driver in the world; he is good - but; not the best. It's actually just you who supports him; and calling him the best. wich is all fine; but - in theory its hard to call somebody the best; in all honesty; i really hate alonso so .. thats just my opinion  for example; alonso is pretty bad at driving in the rain while others shine alot when there is rain. | ||
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mijagi182
Poland797 Posts
On April 23 2012 07:28 Lonyo wrote: Except the rules related to making moves to defend your position changed since then. So the rules don't stay the same. i prolly said it wrong. what i meant was that even with same rules, rulings are sometimes inconsistend. Schumi would probably get no penatly back then if this happened elsewhere on circuit. | ||
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mijagi182
Poland797 Posts
On April 23 2012 07:29 Kiwiandapple wrote: Alonso is a great driver - a horrible person; but wouldn't call him the best driver in the world; he is good - but; not the best. It's actually just you who supports him; and calling him the best. wich is all fine; but - in theory its hard to call somebody the best; in all honesty; i really hate alonso so .. thats just my opinion for example; alonso is pretty bad at driving in the rain while others shine alot when there is rain. Well, most of the people dont use term "best driver" becouse performance is always a mixture of many factors. Anyway from what i read some time ago even F1 bosses admit Fernando is in their opinion the most complete driver on the grid. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On April 23 2012 07:45 mijagi182 wrote: Well, most of the people dont use term "best driver" becouse performance is always a mixture of many factors. Anyway from what i read some time ago even F1 bosses admit Fernando is in their opinion the most complete driver on the grid. Best driver means the driver who would win against others, given the same car. Back in the day, there was no question: It was senna. After he died, it was schumacher. After schumacher, It was raikkonen (2005). After that, no one really knows. Alan Jones, Martin Brundle, Murray Walker, and a fistful of others always said that the best drivers shone best in the wet. They could put a car in a position where it shouldn't be. That's the main reason people acknowledged schumacher as better than Hakkinen. Nico switched line. Usually, a driver in hamilton's position would lift and switch directions. Hamilton did to roseberg what Villeneuve did to Hill at the hungaroring in 97. Nothing illegal here. Against alonso, it still looked like alonso was behind roseberg the whole time. I don't think roseberg did anything illegal. | ||
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