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On March 29 2012 23:23 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 21:40 Zarahtra wrote:On March 27 2012 17:59 Excludos wrote:On March 27 2012 16:17 Reborn8u wrote:
Actually, CCP said they also went to xbox. But Microsoft refused to allow integration from the eve severs to xbox live (which is really a core concept of dust) So they just went 100% with ps3. Will be really nice though to play a quality FPS on dedicated servers.
Yeah, I read the OP. I get why its not on Xbox. What I don't get is why its not on PC as well as PS3, where their existing userbase already is. I mean, if you're suppose to cooperate in both this game and eve to reach a goal, it would be kind of nice to be able to communicate as well. edit: I guess its possible to sit on skype on the computer while playing on the ps3, even thought its a workaround. I'm just hating because I want to play this game, and I can't stand fps games on consoles. Simple answer from the main economics employee of CCP was: "We want seperate markets, so we aren't eating from the EVE market as much". Basically it was a decision of theirs to atleast start the game on a totally seperate market, so they Dust playerbase will be a bit more seperate from the EVE playerbase, which will probably make it more fun for Dust players(that they don't _need_ to know the whole history of EVE) and entering a new market will make the CCP's brand open for wider audience. I don't dismiss that they've said that, but that only really makes sense if the game is similar and completely seperate from the other game in question. They wont be eating out of their current market, any more than they'll be eating out of WoWs market. People play EvE because they like that game, not because they're going to abandon it on the first sign of an FPS coming out. And like I said, if these two games are to impact eachother, communication between them will be important. Communication, which consoles lack. And as a mostly pc gamer myself (I do own a ps3, but I only take it out to play with friends or certain driving games), I loathe playing fps games on consoles. Which is really sad because I did like the eve universe, although after two months the constant grinding put me off, and I would have loved to play this game.
Eve and Dust share the same built in voice comms system when not playing a match(I swear there are people who have used it) as well as sharing access to the ingame text chat, additionally the in game mail systems are linked as well, and finally having access to the corp forum boards on the eve website.
The built in voice comms will be sufficient for dust during matches. FPS team play requires a lot more talking than an Eve fleet. In an eve fleet you basically keep your mouth shut while Kwark yells at you. 24 FPS players talking at once would be a head ache, hence that they will be separated by squad with the commander speaking directly to the squad leaders, at least in conquest modes, might still be a cluster fuck in drop in play modes (think of those as your normal auto join games)
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On March 30 2012 00:00 Jayme wrote:Yea I was wondering about that as well. If you're grinding in EvE and you don't mean to grind you are doing something terribly wrong.
Everything in EvE is a grind to get to the next lvl of ship. Missions is a grind (I did a lot of those), salvaging is a grind, trading is a grind. Hell, even PvP is a grind if thats your only source of income (I guess if its entertaining it can't be looked on as grind, so this last one might be up for debate). If you lose a tech 2 ship in EvE, don't tell me you're looking forward to another half year of grinding to get enough cash for another one? (or however long it takes, I never got that far). But like I said, I did enjoy the universe. An fps set in the same place impacting the same things is a brilliant idea and I would love to try it..if not for being PS3 exclusive 
edit: Yes, I guess technically you could stay on that Rifter and be just as helpful. And if thats all you seek out of a game then thats all well and fine. personally I look for progress as well. Which simply takes a lot of grind in this game. Not saying its bad, just saying it wasn't for me.
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On March 30 2012 00:09 abominare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 23:23 Excludos wrote:On March 29 2012 21:40 Zarahtra wrote:On March 27 2012 17:59 Excludos wrote:On March 27 2012 16:17 Reborn8u wrote:
Actually, CCP said they also went to xbox. But Microsoft refused to allow integration from the eve severs to xbox live (which is really a core concept of dust) So they just went 100% with ps3. Will be really nice though to play a quality FPS on dedicated servers.
Yeah, I read the OP. I get why its not on Xbox. What I don't get is why its not on PC as well as PS3, where their existing userbase already is. I mean, if you're suppose to cooperate in both this game and eve to reach a goal, it would be kind of nice to be able to communicate as well. edit: I guess its possible to sit on skype on the computer while playing on the ps3, even thought its a workaround. I'm just hating because I want to play this game, and I can't stand fps games on consoles. Simple answer from the main economics employee of CCP was: "We want seperate markets, so we aren't eating from the EVE market as much". Basically it was a decision of theirs to atleast start the game on a totally seperate market, so they Dust playerbase will be a bit more seperate from the EVE playerbase, which will probably make it more fun for Dust players(that they don't _need_ to know the whole history of EVE) and entering a new market will make the CCP's brand open for wider audience. I don't dismiss that they've said that, but that only really makes sense if the game is similar and completely seperate from the other game in question. They wont be eating out of their current market, any more than they'll be eating out of WoWs market. People play EvE because they like that game, not because they're going to abandon it on the first sign of an FPS coming out. And like I said, if these two games are to impact eachother, communication between them will be important. Communication, which consoles lack. And as a mostly pc gamer myself (I do own a ps3, but I only take it out to play with friends or certain driving games), I loathe playing fps games on consoles. Which is really sad because I did like the eve universe, although after two months the constant grinding put me off, and I would have loved to play this game. Eve and Dust share the same built in voice comms system when not playing a match(I swear there are people who have used it) as well as sharing access to the ingame text chat, additionally the in game mail systems are linked as well, and finally having access to the corp forum boards on the eve website. The built in voice comms will be sufficient for dust during matches. FPS team play requires a lot more talking than an Eve fleet. In an eve fleet you basically keep your mouth shut while Kwark yells at you. 24 FPS players talking at once would be a head ache, hence that they will be separated by squad with the commander speaking directly to the squad leaders, at least in conquest modes, might still be a cluster fuck in drop in play modes (think of those as your normal auto join games)
An ingame system would definately work for the players of dust, to communicate with other players of dust. However communicating with players from EvE who for the most part only uses chat and Ventrilo/TS, its a different story. Sure the chat will probably be on the same server, but have you ever tried to text chat with someone using a console controller? Its not exactly quick.
If they do find a way to make it work, and they might, then hats off to CCP.
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On March 25 2012 02:58 chaokel wrote:
Raynor's Raiders?
Clearly best name. 
Though i have to say sons of korhal would be an acceptable second choice.
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On March 30 2012 00:25 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 00:00 Jayme wrote:On March 29 2012 23:49 Firebolt145 wrote:
Constant grinding in EVE? What? Yea I was wondering about that as well. If you're grinding in EvE and you don't mean to grind you are doing something terribly wrong. Everything in EvE is a grind to get to the next lvl of ship. Missions is a grind (I did a lot of those), salvaging is a grind, trading is a grind. Hell, even PvP is a grind if thats your only source of income (I guess if its entertaining it can't be looked on as grind, so this last one might be up for debate). If you lose a tech 2 ship in EvE, don't tell me you're looking forward to another half year of grinding to get enough cash for another one? (or however long it takes, I never got that far). But like I said, I did enjoy the universe. An fps set in the same place impacting the same things is a brilliant idea and I would love to try it..if not for being PS3 exclusive edit: Yes, I guess technically you could stay on that Rifter and be just as helpful. And if thats all you seek out of a game then thats all well and fine. personally I look for progress as well. Which simply takes a lot of grind in this game. Not saying its bad, just saying it wasn't for me.
Well, you're wrong (sorry but you are). You don't work half a year for a t2 ship. Definitely not when you're with The Hatchery.. anyway, this is a different story and is a complete derail.
I was considering Raynors raiders and Sons of Korhal. While Raynors raiders sounds cool, it makes it sound like.. a bunch of chaotic non-organized kids that do their stuff as they want to. I mean, in theory that's what it possibly will be in most cases, but Sons of Korhal raise more respect in my mind, from the 'how the name sounds' when being represented.
"We, Sons of Korhal, will stand by your side and wipe off any opposition you may encounter." .. I think if we used "Raynors raiders" there that wouldn't work as.. cool. 
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While I definitely love Templar Archives, the sons of korhal imagery would be pretty awesome for propaganda pics. NEed to find people with photoshop skills.
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Raynor's Raiders are to closely knitted with being the good guys, it would just feel wrong in New Eden. So therefore I hope the name will end up as something else.
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Lalalaland34501 Posts
On March 30 2012 00:25 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 00:00 Jayme wrote:On March 29 2012 23:49 Firebolt145 wrote:
Constant grinding in EVE? What? Yea I was wondering about that as well. If you're grinding in EvE and you don't mean to grind you are doing something terribly wrong. Everything in EvE is a grind to get to the next lvl of ship. Missions is a grind (I did a lot of those), salvaging is a grind, trading is a grind. Hell, even PvP is a grind if thats your only source of income (I guess if its entertaining it can't be looked on as grind, so this last one might be up for debate). If you lose a tech 2 ship in EvE, don't tell me you're looking forward to another half year of grinding to get enough cash for another one? (or however long it takes, I never got that far). But like I said, I did enjoy the universe. An fps set in the same place impacting the same things is a brilliant idea and I would love to try it..if not for being PS3 exclusive edit: Yes, I guess technically you could stay on that Rifter and be just as helpful. And if thats all you seek out of a game then thats all well and fine. personally I look for progress as well. Which simply takes a lot of grind in this game. Not saying its bad, just saying it wasn't for me.
I'm sorry to say it, but you're very wrong. Even most 'pubbie' EVE players are better than this and do not take that long to grind for a tech 2 ship. And if you join Hatchery, your perspective on things changes even more. Most tech2 ships are worth about 150-200m. Most Hatchery members easily make that isk in about an hour from level 4 missions and there are many of us that make even more from trading etc. Isk is very easy to make once you have the knowledge.
As for grinding to fly new ships: Training skills for new ships takes purely -time- and nothing else. You put the skill on queue and it takes x number of hours/days to complete, whether you're logged in or off. What's better is that you can legally buy characters with isk. Making isk is much faster than training skillpoints so all you have to do make isk and buy an account that already has a lot of skillpoints.
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On March 29 2012 23:23 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 21:40 Zarahtra wrote:On March 27 2012 17:59 Excludos wrote:On March 27 2012 16:17 Reborn8u wrote:
Actually, CCP said they also went to xbox. But Microsoft refused to allow integration from the eve severs to xbox live (which is really a core concept of dust) So they just went 100% with ps3. Will be really nice though to play a quality FPS on dedicated servers.
Yeah, I read the OP. I get why its not on Xbox. What I don't get is why its not on PC as well as PS3, where their existing userbase already is. I mean, if you're suppose to cooperate in both this game and eve to reach a goal, it would be kind of nice to be able to communicate as well. edit: I guess its possible to sit on skype on the computer while playing on the ps3, even thought its a workaround. I'm just hating because I want to play this game, and I can't stand fps games on consoles. Simple answer from the main economics employee of CCP was: "We want seperate markets, so we aren't eating from the EVE market as much". Basically it was a decision of theirs to atleast start the game on a totally seperate market, so they Dust playerbase will be a bit more seperate from the EVE playerbase, which will probably make it more fun for Dust players(that they don't _need_ to know the whole history of EVE) and entering a new market will make the CCP's brand open for wider audience. I don't dismiss that they've said that, but that only really makes sense if the game is similar and completely seperate from the other game in question. They wont be eating out of their current market, any more than they'll be eating out of WoWs market. People play EvE because they like that game, not because they're going to abandon it on the first sign of an FPS coming out. And like I said, if these two games are to impact eachother, communication between them will be important. Communication, which consoles lack. And as a mostly pc gamer myself (I do own a ps3, but I only take it out to play with friends or certain driving games), I loathe playing fps games on consoles. Which is really sad because I did like the eve universe, although after two months the constant grinding put me off, and I would have loved to play this game.
I wasn't really saying that I agree with it, I was just answering your question as to why it is only for PS3 and not PC. I personally think it sucks, since I'd love to try it out, but I like you don't fancy playing console FPS, so I'll skip it. In the class that the CCP guy was talking about it, people were arguing with him about how stupid it was, but it was clear that they had made their mind on this issue, though he did say that you never knew what they'd do after it had launched, if they'd add PC support or what..
I'm also not sure about the x-box thing, since the last thing I knew was that they were considering PS3 only, mostly because of the money Sony would pay them for it. But I haven't really paid much attention to Dust the last half a year, so maybe Microsoft gave them the finger, dunno.
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Lalalaland34501 Posts
Nah reason for not going on XBOX is because Microsoft was against the way it interacts with another platform (PC).
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I'm really pulling for Sons of Korhal :D
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On March 30 2012 00:49 freestalker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 00:25 Excludos wrote:On March 30 2012 00:00 Jayme wrote:On March 29 2012 23:49 Firebolt145 wrote:
Constant grinding in EVE? What? Yea I was wondering about that as well. If you're grinding in EvE and you don't mean to grind you are doing something terribly wrong. Everything in EvE is a grind to get to the next lvl of ship. Missions is a grind (I did a lot of those), salvaging is a grind, trading is a grind. Hell, even PvP is a grind if thats your only source of income (I guess if its entertaining it can't be looked on as grind, so this last one might be up for debate). If you lose a tech 2 ship in EvE, don't tell me you're looking forward to another half year of grinding to get enough cash for another one? (or however long it takes, I never got that far). But like I said, I did enjoy the universe. An fps set in the same place impacting the same things is a brilliant idea and I would love to try it..if not for being PS3 exclusive edit: Yes, I guess technically you could stay on that Rifter and be just as helpful. And if thats all you seek out of a game then thats all well and fine. personally I look for progress as well. Which simply takes a lot of grind in this game. Not saying its bad, just saying it wasn't for me. Well, you're wrong (sorry but you are). You don't work half a year for a t2 ship. Definitely not when you're with The Hatchery.. anyway, this is a different story and is a complete derail.
Whoa, 3 replies and they all focused on the one sentence that said "half a year" no one noticed the "or however long it takes" behind. You can't really disagree with the fact that this game is about grinding, I was in the hatchery for about 2 months doing salvaging and missions before I got really bored of it. I didn't participate in much of the PvP, altough that is clearly my own fault. But saying this game doesn't have grind is just plain and simple wrong.
But yes, it is way off topic. It all started with "I want to play this game on PC and not on PS3". The concept is brilliant, no doubt, and might very well be the future of gaming..But I just hate fps on consoles >.<
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Doesn't it have keyboard/mouse functionality?
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Never really played EVE, a few of my friends played it when I was in grade 9 and they told me it was really complicated and fun. At the time I really only played Battlefield, Halo and CoD with a few other games here and there, so I couldn't be bothered to start.
However this game does sound quite unique and I'd be quite interested in assaulting some planets in the near future
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Lalalaland34501 Posts
On March 30 2012 03:49 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 00:49 freestalker wrote:On March 30 2012 00:25 Excludos wrote:On March 30 2012 00:00 Jayme wrote:On March 29 2012 23:49 Firebolt145 wrote:
Constant grinding in EVE? What? Yea I was wondering about that as well. If you're grinding in EvE and you don't mean to grind you are doing something terribly wrong. Everything in EvE is a grind to get to the next lvl of ship. Missions is a grind (I did a lot of those), salvaging is a grind, trading is a grind. Hell, even PvP is a grind if thats your only source of income (I guess if its entertaining it can't be looked on as grind, so this last one might be up for debate). If you lose a tech 2 ship in EvE, don't tell me you're looking forward to another half year of grinding to get enough cash for another one? (or however long it takes, I never got that far). But like I said, I did enjoy the universe. An fps set in the same place impacting the same things is a brilliant idea and I would love to try it..if not for being PS3 exclusive edit: Yes, I guess technically you could stay on that Rifter and be just as helpful. And if thats all you seek out of a game then thats all well and fine. personally I look for progress as well. Which simply takes a lot of grind in this game. Not saying its bad, just saying it wasn't for me. Well, you're wrong (sorry but you are). You don't work half a year for a t2 ship. Definitely not when you're with The Hatchery.. anyway, this is a different story and is a complete derail. Whoa, 3 replies and they all focused on the one sentence that said "half a year" no one noticed the "or however long it takes" behind. You can't really disagree with the fact that this game is about grinding, I was in the hatchery for about 2 months doing salvaging and missions before I got really bored of it. I didn't participate in much of the PvP, altough that is clearly my own fault. But saying this game doesn't have grind is just plain and simple wrong. But yes, it is way off topic. It all started with "I want to play this game on PC and not on PS3". The concept is brilliant, no doubt, and might very well be the future of gaming..But I just hate fps on consoles >.<
Not really. Reread my post. I go beyond the 'half a year' and talk about how you don't need to be logged in to train things, and making money eventually becomes so quick that it's no longer a grind.
If you choose to start mining or salvaging forever, then yes that can become a grind. Fortunately at Hatchery we teach you other ways to make money. Missioning can becoming a grind but Hatchery missioning is like grinding at 10x normal speed. Compared to other games that is barely anything. There are many other ways of making isk as well which can hardly be considered grinding: scamming and thievery are some examples.
Yes, many people grind at EVE. But if you're grinding, you're not doing it right. In the Hatchery we teach you how to do it right.
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Hyrule19193 Posts
On March 30 2012 00:25 Excludos wrote:
If you lose a tech 2 ship in EvE, don't tell me you're looking forward to another half year of grinding to get enough cash for another one?
meanwhile, in saranen....
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and that's just one of my many hangars.
it takes about 20 minutes to afford a new t2 ship when you're a member of the hatchery
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Lalalaland34501 Posts
Why do you have Ashimmus lol
Anyway back on topic?
edit: wait a sec, you started EVE roughly the same time as I did. How the fuck do you have the SP to fly all that?
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Hyrule19193 Posts
On March 30 2012 03:49 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 00:49 freestalker wrote:On March 30 2012 00:25 Excludos wrote:On March 30 2012 00:00 Jayme wrote:On March 29 2012 23:49 Firebolt145 wrote:
Constant grinding in EVE? What? Yea I was wondering about that as well. If you're grinding in EvE and you don't mean to grind you are doing something terribly wrong. Everything in EvE is a grind to get to the next lvl of ship. Missions is a grind (I did a lot of those), salvaging is a grind, trading is a grind. Hell, even PvP is a grind if thats your only source of income (I guess if its entertaining it can't be looked on as grind, so this last one might be up for debate). If you lose a tech 2 ship in EvE, don't tell me you're looking forward to another half year of grinding to get enough cash for another one? (or however long it takes, I never got that far). But like I said, I did enjoy the universe. An fps set in the same place impacting the same things is a brilliant idea and I would love to try it..if not for being PS3 exclusive edit: Yes, I guess technically you could stay on that Rifter and be just as helpful. And if thats all you seek out of a game then thats all well and fine. personally I look for progress as well. Which simply takes a lot of grind in this game. Not saying its bad, just saying it wasn't for me. Well, you're wrong (sorry but you are). You don't work half a year for a t2 ship. Definitely not when you're with The Hatchery.. anyway, this is a different story and is a complete derail. Whoa, 3 replies and they all focused on the one sentence that said "half a year" no one noticed the "or however long it takes" behind. You can't really disagree with the fact that this game is about grinding, I was in the hatchery for about 2 months doing salvaging and missions before I got really bored of it. I didn't participate in much of the PvP, altough that is clearly my own fault. But saying this game doesn't have grind is just plain and simple wrong. But yes, it is way off topic. It all started with "I want to play this game on PC and not on PS3". The concept is brilliant, no doubt, and might very well be the future of gaming..But I just hate fps on consoles >.<
Well you joined, didn't really play with us, left, and then said false things -.-
There isn't grind if you don't want there to be.
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Hyrule19193 Posts
On March 30 2012 05:00 Firebolt145 wrote:
Why do you have Ashimmus lol
Anyway back on topic?
edit: wait a sec, you started EVE roughly the same time as I did. How the fuck do you have the SP to fly all that?
Never got battleships.
Also I can't fly hacs yet
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