EPTNBA Regular Season 2011-2012 - Page 57
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 30 2011 10:15 Ace wrote: Well, even ignoring that Kobe would have a large gap in terms of scoring to reach MJ. In terms of high volume scoring wing players he ranks pretty poorly if we were only talking about how many shots he hit vs missed. MJ killed everyone with monster numbers because he made his living on getting easy shots. I'm not sure if this is a compliment or a backhanded compliment. Jordan got "easy" shots that no one else in history has ever gotten at those rates. I guess everything looks easy when you are explosive, strong, have range, and tons of countermoves. | ||
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Remfire
492 Posts
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
On December 30 2011 13:21 cLutZ wrote: I'm not sure if this is a compliment or a backhanded compliment. Jordan got "easy" shots that no one else in history has ever gotten at those rates. I guess everything looks easy when you are explosive, strong, have range, and tons of countermoves. I read it as huge props to Jordan. I read it as MJ consistently puts himself in a position to score on easy shots. Basically your last sentence | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
He's like the only guy I feel can shoot it from anywhere and make it half the time. Also, kobe takes horrible, horrible shots more than anyone in the league. It's one reason his FG % has been low, and also why he can maintain a high PPG. Seriously, even when his team is doing well on its own he feels the need to take them, and that's sort of my criticism on this whole "leadership" thing when he feels he needs to do everything on his own so often. | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
On December 30 2011 13:38 Itsmedudeman wrote: Woooow DURANT He's like the only guy I feel can shoot it from anywhere and make it half the time. Also, kobe takes horrible, horrible shots more than anyone in the league. It's one reason his FG % has been low, and also why he can maintain a high PPG. Seriously, even when his team is doing well on its own he feels the need to take them, and that's sort of my criticism on this whole "leadership" thing when he feels he needs to do everything on his own so often. His terrible "leadership" has won him 5 titles. Bash him all you want, but Kobe is a winner and leads by winning. | ||
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BalliSLife
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BalliSLife
1339 Posts
On December 30 2011 13:37 Purind wrote: I read it as huge props to Jordan. I read it as MJ consistently puts himself in a position to score on easy shots. Basically your last sentence MJ created all his opportunities with his arsenal of moves, he wasn't just a catch and shoot only shooter, so getting himself in position to score argument doesn't make much sense. His high percentages come mainly from his ability to get to the basket and mid range later on in his career. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On December 30 2011 13:12 The Chief wrote: This is basically just to nit pick but i hardly agree with this, look at all the top scorers prior the rule change, 80-90% of all scoring leaders were Big Guys. I believe what happened was that smaller players could get to the line much easier so the defence had to play much weaker bodies and it became more of a fast paced game with the perimeter players. Being bigger than everyone else being more advantageous than it is today, the relatively bad league wide defense and high pace led to bigger guys scoring more than perimeter players. Before the rule change kicked in you already had a number of perimeter stars wrecking the league. ETA: Also remember that if you're going back to pre-80s basketball was weak compared to everything after. Guys weren't really good at shooting or scoring efficiently. Even Bill Russel would have a hard time in the modern NBA, especially without being able to camp under the basket. On December 30 2011 13:21 cLutZ wrote: I'm not sure if this is a compliment or a backhanded compliment. Jordan got "easy" shots that no one else in history has ever gotten at those rates. I guess everything looks easy when you are explosive, strong, have range, and tons of countermoves. It's not backhanded at all. MJ was good at finding weaknesses in the defense and getting lay ups or point blank shots consistently. Not many wing players can do it to the level he was chugging out. On December 30 2011 14:28 Itsmedudeman wrote: I can't be the only one who thinks the knicks are horribly overrated right I've been saying it since before they traded Melo. I actually thought they got worse with the Melo trade. I think picking up Chandler for that much money was a big mistake but we've still got a whole season to see how it works out. That said I think it's going to be a disaster. | ||
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jtbem
Canada1404 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
They can score buckets though, Amare and Melo are two of the best at that. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
The Knicks in particular look so bad. Their offense if pass the ball to Amare/Melo and watch them iso. You'd think a D'Antoni offense would be more imaginative. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 30 2011 16:24 RowdierBob wrote: God damn that Knicks Lakers game was abysmal. The Knicks in particular look so bad. Their offense if pass the ball to Amare/Melo and watch them iso. You'd think a D'Antoni offense would be more imaginative. That's kinda how Miami started off too, but unlike wade and lebron I can hardly see those two playing off each other let alone the rest of the team. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On December 30 2011 16:44 RowdierBob wrote: There's zero movement on their offense. They just stand in the corners watching Melo/Amare go to work. They look surprised a lot of the the time when they're actually passed the ball. hey, clutz thinks you can just slot any point guard into an NBA team and the offense will work. I think that game shows why it doesn't  | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 31 2011 01:19 Ace wrote: hey, clutz thinks you can just slot any point guard into an NBA team and the offense will work. I think that game shows why it doesn't If the knicks would just run the Triangle... edit. Or, you know, any offense not designed around Steve Nash. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On December 31 2011 02:25 Itsmedudeman wrote: I seriously can't stand melo. Maybe it's because he looks like a ninja turtle, but god his offense is like the worst type of offense, and his defense is shit. On the contrary, some former high level basketball analysts turned coaches think he's doing the right thing. "Good defense, better offense" "Give it to Melo, and get out of the way" | ||
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