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sycknesS
Profile Joined April 2009
United States83 Posts
December 29 2011 17:10 GMT
#1101
Warriors going to the playoffs this year Already taken down the Bulls and the Knicks. I BELIEVE!
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
December 29 2011 17:34 GMT
#1102
Shawn Kempt was playing drunk 90% of his games, that's why he has to dunk that ball, because he's so drunk that anywhere further than 5ft off the rim he sees double.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
December 29 2011 17:41 GMT
#1103
Give me some of that juice!!
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
December 29 2011 17:43 GMT
#1104
On December 30 2011 01:51 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 00:59 Mattchew wrote:
On December 29 2011 12:26 Tien wrote:
On December 29 2011 08:16 Ace wrote:
The myth of Kobe Bryant is one of the most disgusting things when it comes to sports fans.


There is no myth.

The casual fans love the storyline bullshit but forget all the things Kobe did during the playoffs to even get the Lakers to where they were.

And there are still casuals that think Kobe's talent and skill is just a myth. 5 rangs, 2 finals MVP. He has nothing to prove to you fools.

The dude is a leader and gets his team to win games. That's it that's all. He led them through the Celtics finals. If you think otherwise you're just hopeless.


You are as arrogant as you are misinformed. Kobe is a great player but needs a great team around him to do ANYTHING. The year he spent without Shaq and before Pau and co. they missed the playoffs yet Kobe had one of his best statistical years. Yes the guy makes game winners and is clutch, noone is denying this. The real talent is the Lakers front office which has put outstanding teams around a great player.

His 5 NBA titles are a facade, remember Horry and Shaq? Those guys were the reasons for the first 3 "rangs" Kobe has, how quickly we forget this in the 5 Ring conversation. And his 2nd finals MVP was bullshit they just had noone else to give it to. It has to rank as one of the worst finals MVP performances ever.

He had his chance to prove to my "fool"ish self that he was all the adjectives lakers fans make him out to be from 2004 - 2007 when he was the only great player on the team. What did he do? Ball hog, lead his team to two 7th place in the west one and done playoff runs and miss the playoffs once, and put up some of the best stats of his career in HIS PRIME. His team was its worst in the prime of his career.

Agreed with this. God I hate the jordan comparisons however slight they might be. 3 rings were when he was shaq's sidekick, and 2 rings AFTER they rebuilt the franchise into a great team regardless of whether kobe was on it or not. There's a reason why he only has 1 MVP title, and 2 finals MVPs is HARDLY impressive. No one is calling him bad, it's obvious he's the best player on the lakers and was one of the best in the league, but whenever he gets put into a conversation of top 10 goats I just can't help but speak out.


Unless you guys are like...45 or older, Kobe is probably the second best 2-Guard you've ever seen play basketball. Just throwing it out there. And if you're 18 or younger, you've never seen Michael Jordan, even if you "saw" him. He's an unquestionable Hall of Famer, with crazy counting stats, 5 NBA Finals' rings and a semi-questionable MVP award. He, also, probably, had the best possible career that his true talent could have possibly allowed him.

The real reason he could never be Michael Jordan? His hands are too small =/
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-29 18:17:08
December 29 2011 18:16 GMT
#1105
I like it when someone referred to Kobe as a "prize fighter" playing basketball because it describes him so well. And I dislike kobe but he definitely deserves his props where they are due.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
December 29 2011 18:45 GMT
#1106
On December 30 2011 02:43 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 01:51 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 30 2011 00:59 Mattchew wrote:
On December 29 2011 12:26 Tien wrote:
On December 29 2011 08:16 Ace wrote:
The myth of Kobe Bryant is one of the most disgusting things when it comes to sports fans.


There is no myth.

The casual fans love the storyline bullshit but forget all the things Kobe did during the playoffs to even get the Lakers to where they were.

And there are still casuals that think Kobe's talent and skill is just a myth. 5 rangs, 2 finals MVP. He has nothing to prove to you fools.

The dude is a leader and gets his team to win games. That's it that's all. He led them through the Celtics finals. If you think otherwise you're just hopeless.


You are as arrogant as you are misinformed. Kobe is a great player but needs a great team around him to do ANYTHING. The year he spent without Shaq and before Pau and co. they missed the playoffs yet Kobe had one of his best statistical years. Yes the guy makes game winners and is clutch, noone is denying this. The real talent is the Lakers front office which has put outstanding teams around a great player.

His 5 NBA titles are a facade, remember Horry and Shaq? Those guys were the reasons for the first 3 "rangs" Kobe has, how quickly we forget this in the 5 Ring conversation. And his 2nd finals MVP was bullshit they just had noone else to give it to. It has to rank as one of the worst finals MVP performances ever.

He had his chance to prove to my "fool"ish self that he was all the adjectives lakers fans make him out to be from 2004 - 2007 when he was the only great player on the team. What did he do? Ball hog, lead his team to two 7th place in the west one and done playoff runs and miss the playoffs once, and put up some of the best stats of his career in HIS PRIME. His team was its worst in the prime of his career.

Agreed with this. God I hate the jordan comparisons however slight they might be. 3 rings were when he was shaq's sidekick, and 2 rings AFTER they rebuilt the franchise into a great team regardless of whether kobe was on it or not. There's a reason why he only has 1 MVP title, and 2 finals MVPs is HARDLY impressive. No one is calling him bad, it's obvious he's the best player on the lakers and was one of the best in the league, but whenever he gets put into a conversation of top 10 goats I just can't help but speak out.


Unless you guys are like...45 or older, Kobe is probably the second best 2-Guard you've ever seen play basketball. Just throwing it out there. And if you're 18 or younger, you've never seen Michael Jordan, even if you "saw" him. He's an unquestionable Hall of Famer, with crazy counting stats, 5 NBA Finals' rings and a semi-questionable MVP award. He, also, probably, had the best possible career that his true talent could have possibly allowed him.

The real reason he could never be Michael Jordan? His hands are too small =/


I don't know what you are saying with this post. the 2 guard position is hardly the deepest position historically with only jordan, kobe, wade, marovich, drex and AI really dominating at it. Take away MJ and that group is hardly anything compared to other positions
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1689 Posts
December 29 2011 18:56 GMT
#1107
On December 30 2011 02:10 sycknesS wrote:
Warriors going to the playoffs this year Already taken down the Bulls and the Knicks. I BELIEVE!


And without curry who had a monster 3/4 of a game against the bulls.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
December 29 2011 19:05 GMT
#1108
On December 30 2011 03:45 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 02:43 slyboogie wrote:
On December 30 2011 01:51 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 30 2011 00:59 Mattchew wrote:
On December 29 2011 12:26 Tien wrote:
On December 29 2011 08:16 Ace wrote:
The myth of Kobe Bryant is one of the most disgusting things when it comes to sports fans.


There is no myth.

The casual fans love the storyline bullshit but forget all the things Kobe did during the playoffs to even get the Lakers to where they were.

And there are still casuals that think Kobe's talent and skill is just a myth. 5 rangs, 2 finals MVP. He has nothing to prove to you fools.

The dude is a leader and gets his team to win games. That's it that's all. He led them through the Celtics finals. If you think otherwise you're just hopeless.


You are as arrogant as you are misinformed. Kobe is a great player but needs a great team around him to do ANYTHING. The year he spent without Shaq and before Pau and co. they missed the playoffs yet Kobe had one of his best statistical years. Yes the guy makes game winners and is clutch, noone is denying this. The real talent is the Lakers front office which has put outstanding teams around a great player.

His 5 NBA titles are a facade, remember Horry and Shaq? Those guys were the reasons for the first 3 "rangs" Kobe has, how quickly we forget this in the 5 Ring conversation. And his 2nd finals MVP was bullshit they just had noone else to give it to. It has to rank as one of the worst finals MVP performances ever.

He had his chance to prove to my "fool"ish self that he was all the adjectives lakers fans make him out to be from 2004 - 2007 when he was the only great player on the team. What did he do? Ball hog, lead his team to two 7th place in the west one and done playoff runs and miss the playoffs once, and put up some of the best stats of his career in HIS PRIME. His team was its worst in the prime of his career.

Agreed with this. God I hate the jordan comparisons however slight they might be. 3 rings were when he was shaq's sidekick, and 2 rings AFTER they rebuilt the franchise into a great team regardless of whether kobe was on it or not. There's a reason why he only has 1 MVP title, and 2 finals MVPs is HARDLY impressive. No one is calling him bad, it's obvious he's the best player on the lakers and was one of the best in the league, but whenever he gets put into a conversation of top 10 goats I just can't help but speak out.


Unless you guys are like...45 or older, Kobe is probably the second best 2-Guard you've ever seen play basketball. Just throwing it out there. And if you're 18 or younger, you've never seen Michael Jordan, even if you "saw" him. He's an unquestionable Hall of Famer, with crazy counting stats, 5 NBA Finals' rings and a semi-questionable MVP award. He, also, probably, had the best possible career that his true talent could have possibly allowed him.

The real reason he could never be Michael Jordan? His hands are too small =/


I don't know what you are saying with this post. the 2 guard position is hardly the deepest position historically with only jordan, kobe, wade, marovich, drex and AI really dominating at it. Take away MJ and that group is hardly anything compared to other positions


Okay, so two things. If, for some reason, you allow 6 foot tall Allen Iverson on that list, then 6'' 2' Jerry West and 6'' 3' Earl Monroe goes on the list too and Havlicek and Gervin. If you want to just say "Swingman," Kobe Bryant is still probably the 3rd or 4th best you've ever seen.

No single player can win an NBA championship on his own, so why people say "he needed a great team around him," that's like saying "the sun has to rise in the east." One man teams always lose deep in the playoffs. Lebron the year he single handedly smashed the Pistons, was toppled by the Spurs. Jordan carried his teams deep into the playoffs to be handed heartbreaking losses. Shaq took the Magic up against Hakeem's Rockets - and lost to the better team (and player!)
Kobe took his team to the playoffs in 2006. That was a god damned miracle. Go back and look at that team. Was he a leader? I don't know. Was he fun to play with? I have no clue. Did he make Smush Parker and Kwame Brown and Luke Walton and Sasha Vujachic better? I don't care, those guys suck. He got within one game of beating the Suns, who went to the Western Conference Finals. The Suns had a better team. I know, shocking.

Also, Pete Maravich was just a guy. He's got a famous nickname.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
The Chief
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia138 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-30 01:14:03
December 30 2011 01:12 GMT
#1109
I think the main thing people who compare kobe to jordan need to do: look up the changing of hand checking rule made in 2004, it will explain WHY jordan will forever be better than kobe was/will ever been in his career.
Moist
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
December 30 2011 01:15 GMT
#1110
Well, even ignoring that Kobe would have a large gap in terms of scoring to reach MJ. In terms of high volume scoring wing players he ranks pretty poorly if we were only talking about how many shots he hit vs missed. MJ killed everyone with monster numbers because he made his living on getting easy shots.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Kingkosi
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1215 Posts
December 30 2011 01:25 GMT
#1111
I replaced Cowboys with Lakers in Brandon Jacobs rant about the Cowboys lol


“You know what it is? You’ve got a lot of people on other teams hating the Lakers. It’s their fans,” Jacobs said Thursday, according to the New York Daily News . “Some of their fans are loud, obnoxious and just bad.

“Just everywhere you go you’ve got them Laker fans, running their mouth about Los Angeles," Jacobs went on. "They keep going. It’s not really the team and Kobe and all that. They’re just like any other team in the NBA if you ask me. But their fans are the ones that have me really just feeling the way I feel.”
Twitter: @KingKosi
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
December 30 2011 01:51 GMT
#1112
I understand that there are a lot of people who hate Kobe and the way he is described as one of the best players of all time behind Jordan, but I think it's going overboard if you're going to downgrade everything he's done because he had great teams around him when he won his rings (which player with a ring didn't?), he played during the post-hand check era (this did not suddenly change the game from difficult to easy for perimeter players as much as people like to say), he couldn't get deep into the playoffs when he was in his prime and without Shaq or Gasol (consider the team he had around him and who they lost to in the playoffs, i.e. the Suns who had the 4th and 2nd best regular season records overall those two seasons), etc.

While I don't have actual 100% proof that he's one of the most skilled, driven and hard-working players to play the game, the fact that he is widely to be considered just that by other players, coaches, and anyone who covers the NBA closely. Every player who has played with him and every coach who has coached him holds the same opinion of him, whether they liked playing with him or not. When he decided to participate in Team USA, there was abundant evidence in the form of player and coach testimonials that he was the hardest working player who inspired the other members of the team to try to meet that level themselves. From watching him play, you can observe that he is probably the most complete player in the NBA skill-wise, and the only way you achieve that is through practice and working on your game over and over.

True, Kobe is no Jordan and his five rings should not be used as an objective and indisputable measure of his greatness. However, he shouldn't, and doesn't, have to be Jordan or have to rely on his five rings to convince people that he's one of the all-time greatest players in the history of the NBA. That much is evident by what he shows on the court.
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MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
December 30 2011 02:21 GMT
#1113
On December 30 2011 10:25 Kingkosi wrote:
I replaced Cowboys with Lakers in Brandon Jacobs rant about the Cowboys lol


“You know what it is? You’ve got a lot of people on other teams hating the Lakers. It’s their fans,” Jacobs said Thursday, according to the New York Daily News . “Some of their fans are loud, obnoxious and just bad.

“Just everywhere you go you’ve got them Laker fans, running their mouth about Los Angeles," Jacobs went on. "They keep going. It’s not really the team and Kobe and all that. They’re just like any other team in the NBA if you ask me. But their fans are the ones that have me really just feeling the way I feel.”


Oh helllll noo (imagine Lala's voice when angry at Carmelo for the full effect)!

It seems the teams everyone loves to hate are the yankees, cowboys, and lakers. You know what they got in common? They're the fuck'n best (imagine Jay-z voice when bragging to Prokhorov about Beyonce's thighs).

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"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
December 30 2011 03:55 GMT
#1114
WHERE AMAZING HAPPENS
starleague forever
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
December 30 2011 03:55 GMT
#1115
DURANT!!!!
Raff
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany49 Posts
December 30 2011 03:57 GMT
#1116
On December 30 2011 12:55 holy_war wrote:
DURANT!!!!


holy shit, poor mavs
RusHXceL
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1004 Posts
December 30 2011 03:59 GMT
#1117
I knew that Durant was going to make that shot before he even made it

#Heatchamps
The Chief
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia138 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-30 04:14:09
December 30 2011 04:12 GMT
#1118
On December 30 2011 10:51 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
he played during the post-hand check era (this did not suddenly change the game from difficult to easy for perimeter players as much as people like to say).

This is basically just to nit pick but i hardly agree with this, look at all the top scorers prior the rule change, 80-90% of all scoring leaders were Big Guys. I believe what happened was that smaller players could get to the line much easier so the defence had to play much weaker bodies and it became more of a fast paced game with the perimeter players.
Moist
JohnnyBanana
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada493 Posts
December 30 2011 04:12 GMT
#1119
Durantula muhahaaaahahaa holy clutch fucking shot

so sad to see the We Miss You Dirk signs... poor old guy was sitting on the bench gasping for breath in 4th quarter
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
December 30 2011 04:13 GMT
#1120
after seeing the replay of kd's shot

pretty funny actually

no one was covering him

jason terry of all them is the closest, LOL
starleague forever
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