NBA Regular Season 2011-2012 - Page 261

On March 20 2012 17:38 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
Just in response to your post, havent read the long post yet:

Since when does it matter how good your teammates are for MVP? If you have the best team and are the best player in your team you are most likely gonna be the MVP that season. It's always been like that. Changing it out of the blue would be pretty arbitrary.

There were a lot of players who were a lot more valuable to their team than the actual mvp winners but they were not on a top3 team and therefore not really considered. Now you could debate whether its fair in general, but the way mvp has been given out the years before Drose did deserve it.

On March 20 2012 20:22 rabidch wrote:

because the meaning of MVP is quite arbitrary :/

On March 20 2012 20:30 AntiGrav1ty wrote:


I don't agree with the way MVP trophies are handed out either but singling out Drose when the whole process has been like that forever seems unfair to Rose.

On March 20 2012 20:30 AntiGrav1ty wrote:


I don't agree with the way MVP trophies are handed out either but singling out Drose when the whole process has been like that forever seems unfair to Rose.

On March 20 2012 21:40 Ace wrote:


Well DRose is just the latest example of when it becomes more of a media + story award rather than an actual great, historic play award. Having good teammates was actually a case against Lebron last year

If it was fairly consistent and based on record then San Antonio should be complaining that no one on their team was even in consideration last year. The only problem with the award isn't even that "being on a top 3 team" is a pre-req: it's that the definition changes every year. As another poster said, Kobe 2006, Garnett in a number of other years, Wade 2006/2009...I mean all of these guys have played on terrible teams and accomplished some amazing feats rarely duplicated in NBA history. But a guy on a better team who has a relatively easier job because his teammates are better deserves the award more? Or a guy who doesn't play with another All-Star which is once again a subjective measure of a player's value deserves it more?

One of the weirdest things about giving the award to Rose is that even if he gets much better from now on, unless he does something exceptionally historic or wins multiple chips he probably won't get another one which underscores the point: The winner is all about narrative and politics rather than looking at how great a player is in comparison with his peers. Let's look at it another way: The MVP award is sometimes given to a player that is without a doubt top 5 player. I don't think anyone being serious thinks Rose was one of the best 5 players in the NBA last year. So was the award based on Rose's skills, the surprising success of his team (only a surprise to media guys because they know nothing), or because Lebron James went to Miami?

On March 20 2012 11:41 VENDIZ wrote:
That has to be painful to watch as a Magic fan, Bulls setting a new franchise record in fewest points allowed..

On March 20 2012 15:37 Ace wrote:
Chicago fans should read this. Note the title may get people a bit prickly but the discussion is exactly what I was saying last year about the Bulls and why Derrick Rose being MVP was a pretty fucked up decision: Everyone else on that team is much better than given credit for (Especially Deng).

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1164119

So many interesting things that come up in this discussion (as usual on RealGM when certain posters are involved) that will help some of you see the sport in an enlightening way.

If there is one post that is one you must read because it's a long thread, read this one:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1164119&start=135#p30662960

On March 20 2012 23:36 igotmyown wrote:
Why does everyone want Derek Fisher now? It's not like his veteran helped the Lakers avoid getting swept by the Mavericks or saved him from being a liability at the point guard position.

And it's funny nobody's talking about the Ramon Sessions story, even though he's on the Lakers now. An undraftedunheralded second round pick relegated to the D-league, gets his chance, plays out of his mind, puts up huge numbers, and makes dramatic clutch plays.