EPTNBA Regular Season 2011-2012 - Page 224
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Holcan
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
shouldn't it be ersanity? we can fit his full first name into it! | ||
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Holcan
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bebe01
Korea (South)512 Posts
On March 13 2012 02:57 Jibba wrote: We got ourselves another bandwagon Knicks fan who only started following basketball 4 weeks ago.  I think his previous 2 finals Kobe's shot something like 30% in the 4th quarter. DOMINANT Funny as I've watched the Knicks since the Ewing days and have been a fan throughout the Isiah/Marbury decade. How does calling out Lebron make me a bandwagon fan? When he wins a championship without Wade and Bosh doing work I'll be a believer. Also, I doubt the Knicks make the playoffs this year, it's been awful. Still a bandwagon fan? I bleed orange and blue brah. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On March 12 2012 16:48 Vindicare605 wrote: Like I said. I'll see you in the playoffs. I don't even know why guys like you that obviously watch a LOT of Basketball even bother to use regular season statistics to judge how things are going to go in the playoffs. They've been worth next to nothing for the last 4 years. If regular season stats held up Lebron James would be working on his third ring right now. The post season is a whole other beast and simply put, Miami and Chicago are not as good as they're being hyped up to be when compared with the upper echelon teams in the West. Any of the top 5 teams in the west have a legit shot at unseating either of them in a Bo7. Come playoffs, they'll prove it. I'm not saying the Bulls or the Heat are going to win. I actually agree with you partially - matchups in the playoffs are way, way more important than Regular Season record. However, having a good record and most importantly a great Point Differential means there are very few matchups out there that your team has to worry about. On March 12 2012 17:22 MilesTeg wrote: And you say that based on what exactly? I'd argue that records in the East are inflated if anything. Eastern conference teams play more against the likes of Washington, Charlotte, Toronto, New Jersey, Detroit, Cleveland... I'd say that even New Orleans, with its awful record in the West, is better than those teams. There simply is no bad team in the West except the Hornets and the Kings, no free wins. Based on Point Differential, Offensive + Defensive Rankings and their circumstances - both teams like last year have played with key members being hurt while still posting up insane winning numbers. Doesn't really matter that they play in the East - when you're record, ratings and PDs are all that high chances are you really are THAT good. If you put the Lakers in the East and they had to play the top 5 defensive teams 12 times minimum a year what do you think happens to their record over the past 4 years? We can always play the "if they were in another conference" game but at the end of the day it doesn't really mean much when looking at PD. On March 12 2012 22:10 Zorkmid wrote: Does anyone else look at the NBA in these terms: Two kinds of teams: Miami. Teams that could beat Miami is a Bo7. (Chicago, OKC...................maybe a couple others). Very different from a league like MLB or the NHL where anyone can beat anyone. I don't get the same sense in the NBA. I think that this is both a good thing and a bad thing. Of course I want to see the best teams in the conference and NBA finals....but at the same time I wish there was more parity in the other 80% of the league. Actually I look at it as Miami, Chicago...OKC - everyone else. A big issue with Western teams are the propensity for things to get screwed up. If Memphis gets Z-Bo back in full health, if Manu is healthy for San Antonio, if Dallas turns the corner, if the Clippers get better defensively - then OKC has a problem being the top dog. In the East the only teams I can see with a shot against Miami/Chicago would be Philly and Indy due to them being young but holding on to so many players that can blow up between now and May. I'm pretty sure this isn't real: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/17750074/rumor-dwight-howard-interested-in-heat-clippers-if-he-hits-free-agency | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On March 13 2012 05:44 bebe01 wrote: Funny as I've watched the Knicks since the Ewing days and have been a fan throughout the Isiah/Marbury decade. How does calling out Lebron make me a bandwagon fan? When he wins a championship without Wade and Bosh doing work I'll be a believer. Also, I doubt the Knicks make the playoffs this year, it's been awful. Still a bandwagon fan? I bleed orange and blue brah. Because Lebron is a great player in the clutch, and the only reason people doubt it is because the media continually pushes the narrative. Aside from Jordan, every superstar has had a series of below average games in the playoffs. In his case, he still played great defense and it was only in that series. He's playing 92 playoff games and has been fantastic in most of them. People just want to harp on the stat lines of 2 of them, while ignoring the abysmal stat lines from other players they consider "clutch." Him doing it without Wade or Bosh is absurd. In the last twenty years, how many teams have won a championship without at least two top tier players? Maybe the Mavs, Pistons and Rockets? The fact that he made it to the finals with the Cavs is remarkable and something no other player from this era could do. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 12 2012 22:10 Zorkmid wrote: Does anyone else look at the NBA in these terms: Two kinds of teams: Miami. Teams that could beat Miami is a Bo7. (Chicago, OKC...................maybe a couple others). Very different from a league like MLB or the NHL where anyone can beat anyone. I don't get the same sense in the NBA. I think that this is both a good thing and a bad thing. Of course I want to see the best teams in the conference and NBA finals....but at the same time I wish there was more parity in the other 80% of the league. I have a slightly different take on it that Ace, I feel like I am going to address the inter-sports comparison you brought up. The answer is not necessarily that there is less parity in the NBA, it is that there is less variance in NBA basketball. To illustrate what I am talking about I'm going to list the best and worst regular season records (of all time) for each sport. NBA: 72-10 by the Chicago Bulls in the 1995-96 season (88%); 9-73 by the Philadelphia 76ers in the 1972-73 season (11%). NFL: 16-0 New England Patriots 2007 (100%); 0-16 Detroit Lions 2008 (0%). MLB: 116-36 Chicago cubs 1906 (76%) (or more modern 116- 46 2001 Seattle (72%)); 20-134 (13%) Cleveland Spiders (43-119 Detroit 2003 (26%)). NHL: 60- 8-12 76-77 Canadians with 132 Pts (83%); 8-67-5 74-75 Capitals (13%). EPL (oh yes): 29-8-1 95 Pts 2004-05 Chelsea (83%); 1-8-29 11Pts 2007-08 Derby (10%). Basically, my point is that, particularly in baseball, even really shitty teams win a lot and great teams still lose a lot. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On March 13 2012 07:00 Jibba wrote: In his case, he still played great defense and it was only in that series. Nobody can take away his awesome defense, being clutch means both ends of the floor, sometimes his shot doesn't go in from one end, but he always will be contesting every shot from the other team's best player. I don't see many people can take him 1vs1 with more than 30% chance of scoring. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
 Hopefully he can land as a coach or something somewhere. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
Of course regular season has nothing do with playoffs(it's all about matchups like said above), but if Miami doesn't make it to the ECF it would most definitely still be a surprise. The only reason Chi beating them to get to the Finals wouldn't be an upset is b/c they are the 2nd best team in the league. On March 13 2012 06:05 Ace wrote: Actually I look at it as Miami, Chicago...OKC - everyone else. A big issue with Western teams are the propensity for things to get screwed up. If Memphis gets Z-Bo back in full health, if Manu is healthy for San Antonio, if Dallas turns the corner, if the Clippers get better defensively - then OKC has a problem being the top dog. In the East the only teams I can see with a shot against Miami/Chicago would be Philly and Indy due to them being young but holding on to so many players that can blow up between now and May. Agree with this point of view entirely. Except I would put emphasis on the "with a shot" in the last sentence. Specially b/c people are saying how regular season has nothing to do with the playoffs, and that is specially true with younger, inexperienced teams. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13537 Posts
On March 13 2012 03:22 Holcan wrote: is rowdy bob the only person in this thread into ernsanity? Haha, I'm far more jaded and cynical than you'd hope. I've seen too many guys do what Ers is doing in a contract year to get their money and then dog it. Especially for the Bucks. It has been refreshing to see, but I'm still conflicted. I'm yet to see if it's a breakout or just a hot streak. Ersan has been a streaky player his whole career, except his hot-streak has been more productive this time around. That and he's ruining Milwaukee's draft pick single-handedly right now. We were in something like the 7th or 8th slot a week or two back (pushing towards top five) and now we'll be in the 8th seed by days end when we beat Jersey and the Bricks lose to Chicago. I want the Bucks and Ersan to win and do well, but I also want them to do it right with a view to actually contending and not aiming for a ceiling of the first round. Happy for Ers, sad (perpertually) for the Bucks current situation. | ||
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On March 13 2012 08:10 RowdierBob wrote: Haha, I'm far more jaded and cynical than you'd hope. I've seen too many guys do what Ers is doing in a contract year to get their money and then dog it. Especially for the Bucks. It has been refreshing to see, but I'm still conflicted. I'm yet to see if it's a breakout or just a hot streak. Ersan has been a streaky player his whole career, except his hot-streak has been more productive this time around. That and he's ruining Milwaukee's draft pick single-handedly right now. We were in something like the 7th or 8th slot a week or two back (pushing towards top five) and now we'll be in the 8th seed by days end when we beat Jersey and the Bricks lose to Chicago. I want the Bucks and Ersan to win and do well, but I also want them to do it right with a view to actually contending and not aiming for a ceiling of the first round. Happy for Ers, sad (perpertually) for the Bucks current situation. late lottery hell. place the pacers were in ever since the brawl. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
we'll see if D'antoni has balls and starts without A'mare & Carmelo in the third quarter | ||
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0kz
Italy1118 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
EDIT: Nevermind, can't hustle on transition. :/ | ||
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udgnim
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Vindicare605
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On March 13 2012 09:28 Vindicare605 wrote: I wonder what it feels like to be dunked on by Noah twice in two minutes. Probably similar to waking up, then realizing you've wet the sheets. | ||
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Ace
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